Cake or No Cake – Arizona’s Religious Freedom Bill

Yes, the gun part does change things rather quickly.

not according to the justice department
Really? I'd be interested to see that. Do tell.

He did tell in this ironically hilarious post that you totally ignored:
Involuntary Servitude

Summary: Section 1584 of Title 18 makes it unlawful to hold a person in a condition of slavery, that is, a condition of compulsory service or labor against his/her will. A Section 1584 conviction requires that the victim be held against his/her will by actual force, threats of force, or threats of legal coercion. Section 1584 also prohibits compelling a person to work against his/her will by creating a "climate of fear" through the use of force, the threat of force, or the threat of legal coercion [i.e., If you don't work, I'll call the immigration officials.] which is sufficient to compel service against a person's will

Civil Rights Division Home Page

That fits this current situation to a fucking tee. You are FORCED through COERCION of legal threat to provide a service that you do not want to provide aka involuntary servitude.
 
not according to the justice department
Really? I'd be interested to see that. Do tell.

He did tell in this ironically hilarious post that you totally ignored:
Involuntary Servitude

Summary: Section 1584 of Title 18 makes it unlawful to hold a person in a condition of slavery, that is, a condition of compulsory service or labor against his/her will. A Section 1584 conviction requires that the victim be held against his/her will by actual force, threats of force, or threats of legal coercion. Section 1584 also prohibits compelling a person to work against his/her will by creating a "climate of fear" through the use of force, the threat of force, or the threat of legal coercion [i.e., If you don't work, I'll call the immigration officials.] which is sufficient to compel service against a person's will

Civil Rights Division Home Page

That fits this current situation to a fucking tee. You are FORCED through COERCION of legal threat to provide a service that you do not want to provide aka involuntary servitude.

"It's different when we do it!"
 
This woman was raised by two lesbians. One of them happened to be her previously heterosexual mother (whom she loves dearly) who suffered from a nasty divorce. Here's another twist: She's a pro-choice Christian. In the blog below, she discusses the merits of what was SB1062, despite being raised by gay parents. She also discusses why the bill was not rooted in any type of hatred for homosexuals but in respect for religions and First Amendment rights. Not to mention this Christian woman, raised by gay parents will invariably make some liberal gay rights activists heads explode in the process.

Pro-choice, eh? Except for those pesky times that someone wants to exercise their freedoms in a way that offends you. Right. Because pro-choice only applies to abortion. So then.

During my long morning bath, luxuriating with the New York Times (no Bon Bons, mommas jeans are T I G H T) I happened across the news about Arizona’s Religious Freedom Act which would enforce a business’s right to refuse service to gay patrons.

I will generously provide Cliff Notes for you if you are unaware of the reasons this bill has been proposed in the first place. Some Christian businesses have refused to provide services for a gay event and because of it they have been bullied, sued, shut down, and some are lucky enough to have received death threats. There was the printer who declined to produce the gay pride shirt. A baker who had a policy of gay-rights-arizonamaking every cake you could possibly desire, just not cakes for same-sex weddings. A photographer who said that she would “gladly serve gays and lesbians—by, for example, providing them with portrait photography—whenever doing so would not require [her] to create expression conveying messages that conflict with [her] religious beliefs.” A florist who served her numerous gay clients for a decade but was sued when she declined to provide flowers for a long time client’s gay wedding. I promise I will not point and laugh if you have not heard of these cases. Mainstream media doesn’t want to be proved wrong about the conflict between gay marriage laws and religious liberty, which was predicted by many a natural marriage supporter. If you have not, do avail yourself to a big, gigantic, way more intelligent brain on the Matt Walsh’s blog and inform yourself. Ifyouwouldplease.

So, dear readers, here is my attempt to engage your critical thinking capabilities thinly veiled in a question so please set down your agendas and hop off your sacred cows and tell me true. In the cases above, the business owners offered other services to their gay customers, sometimes for years, before they refused service for the gay event. Why?

I will give you a second to discuss.

It is because the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker do not know who is gay and who is not unless the service revolves around an activity. A BEHAVIOR. I have said it before but I will gladly repeat myself because I am very service oriented. This fact (the one up there in the fancy italics) obliterates the comparisons between racial segregation and the “gay-rights” movement. Sexual orientation is not like race. Race does not depend on feelings, behaviors, and with whom you chose to identify. Race is an immutable factor that cannot, will not, does not change no matter your feelings or actions. You do not have to “come out” as black. Sexual orientation, on the other hand, is much more nebulous. There are plenty of folks who have varying degrees of same-sex attraction. Some choose to be in relationships with the opposite sex only. Some have been in gay relationships for a season of their life. Some feel that this attraction is the defining characteristic of their identity and they exclusively couple with the same gender. But it is the manifestation of that attraction expressed in behavior- specifically who you choose to have sex with- that distinguishes this “class” of citizens.

It is an activity alone that distinguishes people as gay. It is not the lisp, the effeminate gait nor the incredible fashion sense. Neither is it because of the butch haircut, the Subaru or the piercings that the above referenced businesses were choosing to deny service. It was an activity. Without the activity, gay people are indistinguishable from everyone else walking the planet. Under this bill, the only way that a queer customer would be refused lunch at the diner would be for her to stand up and declare “I have sex with women!” or make out with her girlfriend right then and there. Otherwise, you’re just the average diner, sister. Dontcha think that a restaurateur should be able to remove any lunatic shouting about their sex life or exhibiting gratuitous PDA in a diner? Well hold on there missy. Not with this bill. Only the straight-identifying lunatics could be removed. That’s fair, right? If you have not remounted your sacred cow then you know the answer is a resounding NO.


Cake or No Cake ? Arizona?s Religious Freedom Bill | asktheBigot

Link to the author's bio:

Who is this Christian ?bigot?? | asktheBigot

Though inspired by New Mexico's unconstitutional and soon to be struck down homofascist imposition on religious freedom, SB-1062 actually makes no mention of sexual orientation at all.

http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/SB-1062-bill.pdf

The real concerns of natural, constitutional and case law relative to this kind of legislation: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ry-have-the-right-to-deny-32.html#post8700263
 
Really? Speed limits are Boundaries huh? I'll remember to use that the next time I'm doing 90 in school zone. But officer, the government can only tell me to drive safely, and I'm a good driver so 90 is safest for me. I guess the 30 when flashing sign was just a suggestion by the a government watching out for me eh? I don't actually have to adjust my "behavior" to such a thing? They aren't allowed to make me right?

Are you on drugs ?

A speed limit is a boundary.
It's a Limit, a Speed Limit, meaning how fast can you drive, and driving, wait for it ------------------------------- is a behavior. So, I can't drive too fast, and I can't drive too slow, which means By Law, I have to adjust my Behavior in order to be Legal. Which means the government just told me what I can and cannot do. I could of course not drive but if I do I have to follow their rules that dictate my behavior. See how that works?

It's a boundary.

As are the lines on the road. They don't care if you drive with your radio on, if you stare at the sun, or if your ragtop is down in a snowstorm. Stay between the lines, below the limit and don't have a blood alcohol concentration above a certain boundary.

End of discussion.
 
Are you on drugs ?

A speed limit is a boundary.
It's a Limit, a Speed Limit, meaning how fast can you drive, and driving, wait for it ------------------------------- is a behavior. So, I can't drive too fast, and I can't drive too slow, which means By Law, I have to adjust my Behavior in order to be Legal. Which means the government just told me what I can and cannot do. I could of course not drive but if I do I have to follow their rules that dictate my behavior. See how that works?

It's a boundary.

As are the lines on the road. They don't care if you drive with your radio on, if you stare at the sun, or if your ragtop is down in a snowstorm. Stay between the lines, below the limit and don't have a blood alcohol concentration above a certain boundary.

End of discussion.
The last three words I very much agree with.
 
Oh thank goodness. Jan Brewer has decided to let them eat cake.

Brewer's veto changed nothing relative to established law. You don't have to serve the homosexual that demands you participate in any activity or make any expression contrary to your ideological convictions. However, her failure to appreciate the devastation of lefty's legal activism tells us all we need to know about her. Another useless politician--career over the well-being of the Republic.
 
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not according to the justice department
Really? I'd be interested to see that. Do tell.

He did tell in this ironically hilarious post that you totally ignored:
Involuntary Servitude

Summary: Section 1584 of Title 18 makes it unlawful to hold a person in a condition of slavery, that is, a condition of compulsory service or labor against his/her will. A Section 1584 conviction requires that the victim be held against his/her will by actual force, threats of force, or threats of legal coercion. Section 1584 also prohibits compelling a person to work against his/her will by creating a "climate of fear" through the use of force, the threat of force, or the threat of legal coercion [i.e., If you don't work, I'll call the immigration officials.] which is sufficient to compel service against a person's will

Civil Rights Division Home Page

That fits this current situation to a fucking tee. You are FORCED through COERCION of legal threat to provide a service that you do not want to provide aka involuntary servitude.

Nicolle Martin, an attorney for Masterpiece Cakeshop, told The Associated Press that the judge's decision was "reprehensible" and "antithetical to everything America stands for."

"He can't violate his conscience in order to collect a paycheck," Martin said. "If Jack can't make wedding cakes, he can't continue to support his family. And in order to make wedding cakes, Jack must violate his belief system."

Judge Orders Colorado Bakery to Cater for Same-Sex Weddings - ABC News


expect an appeal on the 13th amendment issue
 
Really? I'd be interested to see that. Do tell.

He did tell in this ironically hilarious post that you totally ignored:
Involuntary Servitude

Summary: Section 1584 of Title 18 makes it unlawful to hold a person in a condition of slavery, that is, a condition of compulsory service or labor against his/her will. A Section 1584 conviction requires that the victim be held against his/her will by actual force, threats of force, or threats of legal coercion. Section 1584 also prohibits compelling a person to work against his/her will by creating a "climate of fear" through the use of force, the threat of force, or the threat of legal coercion [i.e., If you don't work, I'll call the immigration officials.] which is sufficient to compel service against a person's will

Civil Rights Division Home Page

That fits this current situation to a fucking tee. You are FORCED through COERCION of legal threat to provide a service that you do not want to provide aka involuntary servitude.

"It's different when we do it!"

the first case involving Jack Phillips was based on a religious preference

any case forward of that is a 13th amendment issue

involving Involuntary servitude ( the threat of legal action) for

not providing the service regardless of being paid or not
 
Hey Jesus-freak, bake the stupid fucking cake. It's a cake, not a vow for all eternity before Jesus and God Almighty.

Did you just call me a "Jesus freak?"

Your argument is invalid.
I called her one. And I have a country full of judges and people who disagree with you. Now what?

Now what? Windsor/DOMA and Harvey Milk vs Utah this year at the US Supreme Court.

You may want to take a look at Windsor to see what SCOTUS most likely won't be overturning within a year's time. Once they decide [again] about a state's "unquestioned authority" since the founding of the country to weigh in via broad consensus on the matter of gay marriage's legality within their boundaries, your owned/bribed/threatened/blackmailed judicial activists' words will be worth less than the paper they're written on.

The US Supreme Court will re-explain to you and all your fascist buddies forcing the dogma of the church of LGBT down everyone's throats without their consent what they meant in Windsor.
 
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Now what? Windsor/DOMA and Harvey Milk vs Utah this year at the US Supreme Court.

You may want to take a look at Windsor to see what SCOTUS most likely won't be overturning within a year's time. Once they decide [again] about a state's "unquestioned authority" since the founding of the country to weigh in via broad consensus on the matter of gay marriage's legality within their boundaries, your owned/bribed/threatened/blackmailed judicial activists' words will be worth less than the paper they're written on.

The US Supreme Court will re-explain to you and all your fascist buddies forcing the dogma of the church of LGBT down everyone's throats without their consent what they meant in Windsor.

I had to look up "Harvey Milk vs. Utah" because no such case exists. Apparently the only references to it are on other boards where someone with the same screen name as you is whining about it.

Here's the thing about Windsor. The Court pretty much said that DOMA is unconstitutional, but they weren't going to take it apart at that point. They were going to give the lower courts and states a few whacks at it, and so they have.
 
You don't have to bake the cake, just make sure you put a note on your window stating that you refuse to bake cakes for gay couples. Its not that hard.
 
You don't have to bake the cake, just make sure you put a note on your window stating that you refuse to bake cakes for gay couples. Its not that hard.

But hey, you folks just got through telling us how hateful that would be? Why the change of heart?

And suing you to oblivion.

The truth is that is completely unacceptable to the left - it would mess up the view of utopia.
 
You don't have to bake the cake, just make sure you put a note on your window stating that you refuse to bake cakes for gay couples. Its not that hard.

And because there is no protection those couples can sue you now.
 

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