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you and others, live in a world of LA LA Land....If voting is important to you, you'll make time to vote.the fewer and fewer people voting in a Nation.... becomes a Dictatorship, not a Democracy or democratic Republic.
do I think it should be mandatory no.....but we could make it easier to vote, like having more early voting so the working class has more options, or election day on a Saturday or Sunday
If voting is NOT important to you, its just as well that you don't.
When you are an hourly paid worker, who takes 2 buses and a train to get to work, after you have taken a bus or train to drop your kids off at their school, it is not as easy as you may think....
the fewer and fewer people voting in a Nation.... becomes a Dictatorship, not a Democracy or democratic Republic.
do I think it should be mandatory no.....but we could make it easier to vote, like having more early voting so the working class has more options, or election day on a Saturday or Sunday
Agreed. You might be surprised at how many states don't have laws requiring time off to vote. We need a new "Help America Vote Act" that would mandate time off to vote in all 50.
If voting is important to you, you'll make time to vote.
If voting is NOT important to you, its just as well that you don't.
No, it really isn't. You seem to have this asinine idea that all things in life should come to you easily. That is not even remotely true. The world does not need to bow to whatever sob story you might have that you use to skate out of taking responsibility for your life. Making it easy wouldn't affect those that will not make the time anyway - as 14 said they would make the time if they cared. Do you really think that people who don't care enough to bother to go vote actually bother to educate themselves on the candidates and the issues? Do you honestly think they care enough to understand the system when they cant even be bothered to take part?the fewer and fewer people voting in a Nation.... becomes a Dictatorship, not a Democracy or democratic Republic.
do I think it should be mandatory no.....but we could make it easier to vote, like having more early voting so the working class has more options, or election day on a Saturday or Sunday
Agreed. You might be surprised at how many states don't have laws requiring time off to vote. We need a new "Help America Vote Act" that would mandate time off to vote in all 50.
If voting is important to you, you'll make time to vote.
If voting is NOT important to you, its just as well that you don't.
The guy commuting to another county to work...
The woman working three jobs to support her family...
Six hour lines in poor communities to vote...
One day to vote is ridiculous and states not mandating time off to vote is unconscionable.
No, it really isn't. You seem to have this asinine idea that all things in life should come to you easily. That is not even remotely true. The world does not need to bow to whatever sob story you might have that you use to skate out of taking responsibility for your life. Making it easy wouldn't affect those that will not make the time anyway - as 14 said they would make the time if they cared. Do you really think that people who don't care enough to bother to go vote actually bother to educate themselves on the candidates and the issues? Do you honestly think they care enough to understand the system when they cant even be bothered to take part?the fewer and fewer people voting in a Nation.... becomes a Dictatorship, not a Democracy or democratic Republic.
do I think it should be mandatory no.....but we could make it easier to vote, like having more early voting so the working class has more options, or election day on a Saturday or Sunday
Agreed. You might be surprised at how many states don't have laws requiring time off to vote. We need a new "Help America Vote Act" that would mandate time off to vote in all 50.
If voting is important to you, you'll make time to vote.
If voting is NOT important to you, its just as well that you don't.
The guy commuting to another county to work...
The woman working three jobs to support her family...
Six hour lines in poor communities to vote...
One day to vote is ridiculous and states not mandating time off to vote is unconscionable.
The ONLY think in your list that is unconscionable is the fact that there were areas with long waiting lines to vote - THAT is unacceptable. That also has nothing whatsoever to do with mandating time off to vote. As a matter of fact, should you get your desired result, it is guaranteed to INCREASE those lines. States should be paying more for better and/or more numerous voting stations so that no one has to wait an hour to cast their vote. That does not require anything to be mandated at all.
To you.The guy commuting to another county to work...the fewer and fewer people voting in a Nation.... becomes a Dictatorship, not a Democracy or democratic Republic.
do I think it should be mandatory no.....but we could make it easier to vote, like having more early voting so the working class has more options, or election day on a Saturday or Sunday
Agreed. You might be surprised at how many states don't have laws requiring time off to vote. We need a new "Help America Vote Act" that would mandate time off to vote in all 50.
If voting is important to you, you'll make time to vote.
If voting is NOT important to you, its just as well that you don't.
The woman working three jobs to support her family...
Six hour lines in poor communities to vote...
One day to vote is ridiculous and states not mandating time off to vote is unconscionable.
To you.The guy commuting to another county to work...the fewer and fewer people voting in a Nation.... becomes a Dictatorship, not a Democracy or democratic Republic.
do I think it should be mandatory no.....but we could make it easier to vote, like having more early voting so the working class has more options, or election day on a Saturday or Sunday
Agreed. You might be surprised at how many states don't have laws requiring time off to vote. We need a new "Help America Vote Act" that would mandate time off to vote in all 50.
If voting is important to you, you'll make time to vote.
If voting is NOT important to you, its just as well that you don't.
The woman working three jobs to support her family...
Six hour lines in poor communities to vote...
One day to vote is ridiculous and states not mandating time off to vote is unconscionable.
To normal people, it's all about priorities.
If voting is important to you, you'll make time to vote.That priority should be to make voting as easy and convenient as possibleTo you.The guy commuting to another county to work...the fewer and fewer people voting in a Nation.... becomes a Dictatorship, not a Democracy or democratic Republic.
do I think it should be mandatory no.....but we could make it easier to vote, like having more early voting so the working class has more options, or election day on a Saturday or Sunday
If voting is important to you, you'll make time to vote.Agreed. You might be surprised at how many states don't have laws requiring time off to vote. We need a new "Help America Vote Act" that would mandate time off to vote in all 50.
If voting is NOT important to you, its just as well that you don't.
The woman working three jobs to support her family...
Six hour lines in poor communities to vote...
One day to vote is ridiculous and states not mandating time off to vote is unconscionable.
To normal people, it's all about priorities.
No, it really isn't. You seem to have this asinine idea that all things in life should come to you easily. That is not even remotely true. The world does not need to bow to whatever sob story you might have that you use to skate out of taking responsibility for your life. Making it easy wouldn't affect those that will not make the time anyway - as 14 said they would make the time if they cared. Do you really think that people who don't care enough to bother to go vote actually bother to educate themselves on the candidates and the issues? Do you honestly think they care enough to understand the system when they cant even be bothered to take part?
The ONLY think in your list that is unconscionable is the fact that there were areas with long waiting lines to vote - THAT is unacceptable. That also has nothing whatsoever to do with mandating time off to vote. As a matter of fact, should you get your desired result, it is guaranteed to INCREASE those lines. States should be paying more for better and/or more numerous voting stations so that no one has to wait an hour to cast their vote. That does not require anything to be mandated at all.
Yes they are. That has nothing to do with my point though, does it.No, it really isn't. You seem to have this asinine idea that all things in life should come to you easily. That is not even remotely true. The world does not need to bow to whatever sob story you might have that you use to skate out of taking responsibility for your life. Making it easy wouldn't affect those that will not make the time anyway - as 14 said they would make the time if they cared. Do you really think that people who don't care enough to bother to go vote actually bother to educate themselves on the candidates and the issues? Do you honestly think they care enough to understand the system when they cant even be bothered to take part?
The ONLY think in your list that is unconscionable is the fact that there were areas with long waiting lines to vote - THAT is unacceptable. That also has nothing whatsoever to do with mandating time off to vote. As a matter of fact, should you get your desired result, it is guaranteed to INCREASE those lines. States should be paying more for better and/or more numerous voting stations so that no one has to wait an hour to cast their vote. That does not require anything to be mandated at all.
Long lines are the exception...last week, I was in and out in 15 minutes. My wife was in and out in about the same time.
Yes, it's time..
In this years mid-term election, a pathetic 36.6 percent voted.
In Australia about 92% of eligible voters voted in their last election.
Do you think it's time to start talking about compulsory voting?
The Economist explains
Where is it compulsory to vote?
Sep 19th 2013
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...in some countries skipping the polling booth can land you in trouble. In Australia non-voters can expect a letter from the electoral commission demanding an explanation for their absenteeism. If they don’t have a good excuse they are fined A$20 ($19). If they fail to pay they can end up in court, where the fine is upped to A$170, plus court fees. Refuse to cough up and they face jail. A survey by Britain’s electoral commission in 2006 categorised three other countries as having “very strict” compulsory-voting regimes. In Brazil and Peru, non-voters are banned from carrying out various administrative transactions (Brazilians cannot apply for passports or sit professional exams, in theory at least), as well as facing small fines. In Singapore, non-voters have their names removed from the electoral roll—which many of them are presumably not too worried by. A host of other countries have varyingly strict rules on voting, along with some curious get-outs. Illiterate people are excused in Brazil and Ecuador; soldiers are excluded in Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Guatemala and Lebanon. The elderly are off the hook in several countries. And in Bolivia, where voting is notionally compulsory, married people are enfranchised from the age of 18, whereas singletons must wait until they are 21.
Proponents of mandatory voting argue that democracy is too important to be optional. Others say that compulsory self-determination is something of a contradiction in terms.
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In this years mid-term election, a pathetic 36.6 percent voted.
In Australia about 92% of eligible voters voted in their last election.
Do you think it's time to start talking about compulsory voting?
The Economist explains
Where is it compulsory to vote?
Sep 19th 2013
<snip>
...in some countries skipping the polling booth can land you in trouble. In Australia non-voters can expect a letter from the electoral commission demanding an explanation for their absenteeism. If they don’t have a good excuse they are fined A$20 ($19). If they fail to pay they can end up in court, where the fine is upped to A$170, plus court fees. Refuse to cough up and they face jail. A survey by Britain’s electoral commission in 2006 categorised three other countries as having “very strict” compulsory-voting regimes. In Brazil and Peru, non-voters are banned from carrying out various administrative transactions (Brazilians cannot apply for passports or sit professional exams, in theory at least), as well as facing small fines. In Singapore, non-voters have their names removed from the electoral roll—which many of them are presumably not too worried by. A host of other countries have varyingly strict rules on voting, along with some curious get-outs. Illiterate people are excused in Brazil and Ecuador; soldiers are excluded in Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Guatemala and Lebanon. The elderly are off the hook in several countries. And in Bolivia, where voting is notionally compulsory, married people are enfranchised from the age of 18, whereas singletons must wait until they are 21.
Proponents of mandatory voting argue that democracy is too important to be optional. Others say that compulsory self-determination is something of a contradiction in terms.
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Nope, just something else for the government to hold over your head..
In this years mid-term election, a pathetic 36.6 percent voted.
In Australia about 92% of eligible voters voted in their last election.
Do you think it's time to start talking about compulsory voting?
The Economist explains
Where is it compulsory to vote?
Sep 19th 2013
<snip>
...in some countries skipping the polling booth can land you in trouble. In Australia non-voters can expect a letter from the electoral commission demanding an explanation for their absenteeism. If they don’t have a good excuse they are fined A$20 ($19). If they fail to pay they can end up in court, where the fine is upped to A$170, plus court fees. Refuse to cough up and they face jail. A survey by Britain’s electoral commission in 2006 categorised three other countries as having “very strict” compulsory-voting regimes. In Brazil and Peru, non-voters are banned from carrying out various administrative transactions (Brazilians cannot apply for passports or sit professional exams, in theory at least), as well as facing small fines. In Singapore, non-voters have their names removed from the electoral roll—which many of them are presumably not too worried by. A host of other countries have varyingly strict rules on voting, along with some curious get-outs. Illiterate people are excused in Brazil and Ecuador; soldiers are excluded in Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Guatemala and Lebanon. The elderly are off the hook in several countries. And in Bolivia, where voting is notionally compulsory, married people are enfranchised from the age of 18, whereas singletons must wait until they are 21.
Proponents of mandatory voting argue that democracy is too important to be optional. Others say that compulsory self-determination is something of a contradiction in terms.
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You mean those white slave owner were liberals? Not surprising they were liberals, as you say, they did own slaves.Rational liberals founded this nation. We're still around, we're just 230 years smarter. If you'd use your head instead of your emotions you'd understand that.Easy, rational people appoint them. Letting the pitchforks vote is idiotic, they have fields to plow.Well, Governor Palin should be in the White House but she's never run. That's who you meant, right? What are we supposed to do with a comment like yours? How do we get people who should be in office into office if they don't run?How I wish that were true, but Americans don't vote for who should be in office, they vote for who runs, the first mistake. Believing they can actually do something is the second mistake.You got your wish, didn't you, the clueless irrational children stayed home this election and the rational people loaded up with clues went to the polls.
Let's see if you can spot the problem here. Every liberal on this board believes that they're rational. Are you getting a vibe yet?
In what sense, exactly?You mean those white slave owner were liberals?
In what sense, exactly?You mean those white slave owner were liberals?
In the sense that they owned slaves, what's not to understand?
Well liberals want to always take credit for whatever it is they think is good. So their story line is that those slave owning men were liberals. OK, then, we now know that Southern democrats and liberals owned slaves. I disagree that the founders were liberal but, that is what the liberals want to claim so they must take the good with the bad.In the sense that they owned slaves, what's not to understand?
What's not to understand is how that makes someone, "liberal". How does it?
Well liberals want to always take credit for whatever it is they think is good. So their story line is that those slave owning men were liberals. OK, then, we now know that Southern democrats and liberals owned slaves. I disagree that the founders were liberal but, that is what the liberals want to claim so they must take the good with the bad.In the sense that they owned slaves, what's not to understand?
What's not to understand is how that makes someone, "liberal". How does it?
