Conservatives don't know what insurance is or what insurance companies do.

Actually, doofus, no. The larger the insurance pool, the lower the premiums. That's why every other first world country spends half as much of a % of GDP as we do on health care while getting better outcomes.

please keep in mind that you are the liberal here whenever you're sure your making a brilliant point

1) size of insurance pool does not change price of health care or % of GDP spent. Do you understand?? it merely raises premiums for some and lowers them for others.

2) Europe spends less per person because they have more efficient form of socialist health care than we do.
 
You all just don't want to admit the profit motive tied to administration is what's spiking costs in this country,

profit motive is what makes capitalism efficient, it is the motive to reduced price so you can make a bigger and bigger profit. Under libsocialism 120 million starved to death because there was no motive to reduce price. Econ 101 class one day one.
 
So are you defending this system?

not defending at all. Conservatives and libertarians want to switch to capitalism. China just switched to capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of all the planets poverty. Are you opposed to poverty?
 
they understand capitalism 1+1=2 extortion is not capitalism

How is letting Medicare use its leverage as the largest payer in the market to bargain for cheaper prescription drugs, "extortion"?

capitalism is multiple buyers not one who can extort money with monopoly power , starve drug companies, and make sure when our time comes there are no new drugs to cure cancer! Liberals are deadly!! 120 million killed in last century alone!!
 
none of my business if someone wants to buy a Rolls Royce rather than a Chevy I don't care. Do you??????

But it is your business. You claim to be one of these "business people". A lack of consumer demand will most definitely affect your business. .

so you want libNazi govt to step in, in a free country, and force people to by a Rolls when they only want a Chevy to keep demand at a level the libNazis like for some unknown reason???
 
you are assuming that money spent in the consumer economy has the same effect as money spent in the health care economy. But it isn't.

there are numerous differences in effect I suppose. Money spent on health may save you life, for example. Generally what you want is maximum efficiency to yield great jobs and products in all areas of the economy and that means Republican capitalism. Ever here of East/West Germany, Cuba/Florida, etc etc ?
 
so the Great Depression was an example of an economy doing well??

The Great Depression started when a Republican was President, and Republicans controlled both houses of Congress.

you always know so little. Hoover was a liberal and there was massive liberal interference in the economy in 1929!! Bernanke and Friedman agreed on that. Had they been wrong about the lessons and causes of Great Depression the housing crisis would have turned into another Great Depression and World War. Way way over your head I know. God gives us patience to cope with the liberal IQ.
 
00% wrong!! FDR was 100% Depression and World War. Worst possible results but what we expect from idiotic liberalism! Obama was second most liberal and had second worst economy.

FDR didn't cause either the Great Depression (that was caused by Conservatives who controlled both Houses of Congress and the White House) or World War II. In fact, Conservatives opposed the United States even fighting WWII. Wrong side of history as always.
 
there are numerous differences in effect I suppose.

Whoa...so now you are admitting you don't really have an idea of that which you speak. I see.


Money spent on health may save you life, for example.

So now you are saying health care is a necessity. Which would make it a right, would it not? So why are you opposed to single payer, or even insurance mandates? You say yourself that health care spending can save lives. So why would you want to deny that to someone in need of medical care because they cannot afford it? Are you a sociopath? That is the only explanation that makes sense.


Generally what you want is maximum efficiency to yield great jobs and products in all areas of the economy and that means Republican capitalism.

Efficiency in health care? Insurance companies run as much as 20% overhead, whereas Medicare runs less than 3% overhead. So which is more efficient?
 
you always know so little. Hoover was a liberal

No. Hoover was a laissez-faire capitalist and former investment banker. He, Bush the Dumber, and Trump are the only Presidents that have MBA's. Hoover and Bush the Dumber both caused the worst economic collapses in 100 years. Trump is trying for the trifecta. 2 out of 3 MBA Presidents destroyed the economy, and Trump's only been President for 5 months. Plenty of time left for him to fuck things up just like the last Republican MBA President, and the Republican MBA President before him.
 
so you want libNazi govt to step in, in a free country, and force people to by a Rolls when they only want a Chevy to keep demand at a level the libNazis like for some unknown reason???

No one is even suggesting that, but I do note you're trying to do so in order to spike a debate that you know you cannot win.
 
This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

/---- how do you know what others know about insurance? You couldn't possibly have a clue. Go dry up
 
This much is clear in the reform they have finally proposed, after a 7 year wait. Their bill does nothing to increase coverage or make coverage any more affordable. In fact, their bill would make coverage less affordable because it eliminates the federal protections for pre-existing conditions, turning it over to the states...because I guess people get a different kind of breast cancer in Oklahoma than they do in Massachusetts?

/---- Should drunk drivers pay the same car insurance rates as a sober one?
 
Dammit. The government already insures the poor, the retired, and the disabled. Who the hell needs an insurance industry that skims off all the cream and leaves the skim milk with the government.

Exactly!!!!!!

Insurance companies do nothing to improve or enhance your health care or your outcomes. Insurance companies don't employ any doctors (exception being Kaiser), they don't do mammograms, they don't do prostate exams, they don't take your blood pressure, they don't take your temperature, they don't prescribe you drugs, and they don't cure diseases. All insurance companies do is administrate the reimbursement from the premium pool to your provider for the care they performed. And for this "service" they get to keep as much as 20 cents of every $1 you pay in premiums for themselves. What a rip-off.

/---- you know 20% is half of what retailers take as profit. Besides the 20% is gross not net. They have to cover salaries and operating expenses you dolt.
 
/---- how do you know what others know about insurance? You couldn't possibly have a clue. Go dry up

What the fuck are you trying to say? Maybe try a different Russian-to-English translator, yes? We already know what insurance is and what insurance companies do. What you all have failed to do is make the case that privatizing the administration of reimbursements benefits you as a patient.
 
/---- you know 20% is half of what retailers take as profit. Besides the 20% is gross not net. They have to cover salaries and operating expenses you dolt.

In exchange for what you pay a retailer, you get something back. You get nothing back when it comes to health insurance. You only lose money.
 
/---- you know 20% is half of what retailers take as profit. Besides the 20% is gross not net. They have to cover salaries and operating expenses you dolt.

In exchange for what you pay a retailer, you get something back. You get nothing back when it comes to health insurance. You only lose money.
/---- you know 20% is half of what retailers take as profit. Besides the 20% is gross not net. They have to cover salaries and operating expenses you dolt.

In exchange for what you pay a retailer, you get something back. You get nothing back when it comes to health insurance. You only lose money.
/---- you get covered for illness and accidents you nimrod, Got car insurance? Insurance on your cell phone?
 

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