Dark Money

[eagle1462010]

Wrong. Dark money has been around long before Citizens United.

Read my post. I specified super PACS not dark money. The point was, it's a system that's made more severe thanks to conservative justices, making all the posts about Hilary seriously hypocritical. Where I live (Belgium), parties draw their funding from subsidies and campaigns are limited in both scope, funds and duration. Although there are still ways for big companies to influence politicians, companies can't exert nearly as much influence on the political system.

Super Pacs use Dark Money here................Have been for decades and then don't have to disclose donors..........then have the nerve to call some of them Non profit orgs............there are rules...........they violate them all the time.

Just to put it in perspective. In the 90's the secretary general of NATO was Belgian, he resigned and was charged here, because his party took money from a company, to get a contract for the purchase of military helicopters. In the US that would be legal. Here his political career was over and he almost went to jail.Willy Claes - Wikipedia

Perhaps we need your advisers to come over here and help us Drain the Swamp.

Nope, American's can't even agree to make healthcare a public responsibility. Can you imagine any politician suggesting political campaigns funded by tax dollars? That politician wouldn't need to bother running again, he would probably be drawn and quartered.

Health care can be fixed here.........but not until the Dark money and those who use it get run out of office.

 

[Tehon]

We the People, Not We the Corporations | Move to Amend

We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling and other related cases, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.

Again the default position of some is to blame Citizens United, when this kind of corruption existed well before it was enacted. I suspect this indicates the poster is brainwashed by the radical left.

And other related cases. That goes right over your head and you immediately turn to partisanship.

Radical left.

 

[eagle1462010]

Dark Money flows to both sides...........

It is not contained by any one party.

Rove was just as bad with Dark Money under the Bush Dynasty as the Clintons were and still are today.

 

[whitehall]

Wouldn't tax exempt status for Media Matters which monitors (only) conservative speech be considered "dark money". How about LBJ's "great society" which funneled billions to poverty pimps over the years in exchange for votes for democrats? The entire education system could be considered dark money since kids don't learn much more than how to put a condom on a cucumber and how great the democrat party is and that assault on a conservative speaker is a legitimate form of free speech . Maybe lefties really don't want to open the can 'o worms labeled "dark money" after all.

 

[forkup]

Read my post. I specified super PACS not dark money. The point was, it's a system that's made more severe thanks to conservative justices, making all the posts about Hilary seriously hypocritical. Where I live (Belgium), parties draw their funding from subsidies and campaigns are limited in both scope, funds and duration. Although there are still ways for big companies to influence politicians, companies can't exert nearly as much influence on the political system.

Super Pacs use Dark Money here................Have been for decades and then don't have to disclose donors..........then have the nerve to call some of them Non profit orgs............there are rules...........they violate them all the time.

Just to put it in perspective. In the 90's the secretary general of NATO was Belgian, he resigned and was charged here, because his party took money from a company, to get a contract for the purchase of military helicopters. In the US that would be legal. Here his political career was over and he almost went to jail.Willy Claes - Wikipedia

Perhaps we need your advisers to come over here and help us Drain the Swamp.

Nope, American's can't even agree to make healthcare a public responsibility. Can you imagine any politician suggesting political campaigns funded by tax dollars? That politician wouldn't need to bother running again, he would probably be drawn and quartered.

Health care can be fixed here.........but not until the Dark money and those who use it get run out of office.

My wife is American, so I have a somewhat unique perspective here. My wife when I first brought her here, had a very negative effect on our single payer health care system here. When I said socialised healthcare, she taught it wouldn't be as good or as effective as the for profit based system in the US. She's a democrat but she was raised by that American belief that the government can't do stuff as effective as private industry. American's in general don't want a strong central government. Most Americans consider it a slippery slope to Communism. Subsidised election campaigns are the definition of strong central government and as such would be quite easily painted in the corner of Communism. So unless American's learn the difference between social democracies and Communism dark money will always exist in the US.

 

[eagle1462010]

Super Pacs use Dark Money here................Have been for decades and then don't have to disclose donors..........then have the nerve to call some of them Non profit orgs............there are rules...........they violate them all the time.

Just to put it in perspective. In the 90's the secretary general of NATO was Belgian, he resigned and was charged here, because his party took money from a company, to get a contract for the purchase of military helicopters. In the US that would be legal. Here his political career was over and he almost went to jail.Willy Claes - Wikipedia

Perhaps we need your advisers to come over here and help us Drain the Swamp.

Nope, American's can't even agree to make healthcare a public responsibility. Can you imagine any politician suggesting political campaigns funded by tax dollars? That politician wouldn't need to bother running again, he would probably be drawn and quartered.

Health care can be fixed here.........but not until the Dark money and those who use it get run out of office.

My wife is American, so I have a somewhat unique perspective here. My wife when I first brought her here, had a very negative effect on our single payer health care system here. When I said socialised healthcare, she taught it wouldn't be as good or as effective as the for profit based system in the US. She's a democrat but she was raised by that American belief that the government can't do stuff as effective as private industry. American's in general don't want a strong central government. Most Americans consider it a slippery slope to Communism. Subsidised election campaigns are the definition of strong central government and as such would be quite easily painted in the corner of Communism. So unless American's learn the difference between social democracies and Communism dark money will always exist in the US.

Getting to Denmark: how hidden money corrupts Danish politics

Why does this article say different then.............

 

[forkup]

Just to put it in perspective. In the 90's the secretary general of NATO was Belgian, he resigned and was charged here, because his party took money from a company, to get a contract for the purchase of military helicopters. In the US that would be legal. Here his political career was over and he almost went to jail.Willy Claes - Wikipedia

Perhaps we need your advisers to come over here and help us Drain the Swamp.

Nope, American's can't even agree to make healthcare a public responsibility. Can you imagine any politician suggesting political campaigns funded by tax dollars? That politician wouldn't need to bother running again, he would probably be drawn and quartered.

Health care can be fixed here.........but not until the Dark money and those who use it get run out of office.

My wife is American, so I have a somewhat unique perspective here. My wife when I first brought her here, had a very negative effect on our single payer health care system here. When I said socialised healthcare, she taught it wouldn't be as good or as effective as the for profit based system in the US. She's a democrat but she was raised by that American belief that the government can't do stuff as effective as private industry. American's in general don't want a strong central government. Most Americans consider it a slippery slope to Communism. Subsidised election campaigns are the definition of strong central government and as such would be quite easily painted in the corner of Communism. So unless American's learn the difference between social democracies and Communism dark money will always exist in the US.

Getting to Denmark: how hidden money corrupts Danish politics

Why does this article say different then.............

In that entire article there was not a single reference to Belgium. Except one of the authors who is a previous Belgian PM. I don't even claim that business doesn't influence Belgian politics, in fact I know that they do. I'm simply claiming that dark money in general and super PACS in particular will never go away, as long as you guys are raised to believe that a strong central government equals Communism.

 

[sartre play]

From the formation of our country there have been two sets of thought, ONE that the elite( then called the aristocrats) thought that power had to be in there hands as the rest of the population was unfit to make good choices. TWO. that power should be in the hands of the general population. to keep the concentration of power & wealth from being held buy a small part of the population. ask your self what do we have now?

 

[gipper]

We the People, Not We the Corporations | Move to Amend

We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling and other related cases, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.

Again the default position of some is to blame Citizens United, when this kind of corruption existed well before it was enacted. I suspect this indicates the poster is brainwashed by the radical left.

And other related cases. That goes right over your head and you immediately turn to partisanship.

Radical left.

Okay I apologize. However as you well know, the Left automatically as if by rote, cites Citizens United to condemn Rs. Clearly they think it partisan.

 

[Tehon]

We the People, Not We the Corporations | Move to Amend

We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling and other related cases, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.

Again the default position of some is to blame Citizens United, when this kind of corruption existed well before it was enacted. I suspect this indicates the poster is brainwashed by the radical left.

And other related cases. That goes right over your head and you immediately turn to partisanship.

Radical left.

Okay I apologize. However as you well know, the Left automatically as if by rote, cites Citizens United to condemn Rs. Clearly they think it partisan.

I don't condemn conservatives for C.U. I do wonder however why so many defended it so vociferously. Had to do with the election I know, but that is myopic. Kind of like being pro free trade before realizing you just lost your means of making a living.

 

[eagle1462010]

Perhaps we need your advisers to come over here and help us Drain the Swamp.

Nope, American's can't even agree to make healthcare a public responsibility. Can you imagine any politician suggesting political campaigns funded by tax dollars? That politician wouldn't need to bother running again, he would probably be drawn and quartered.

Health care can be fixed here.........but not until the Dark money and those who use it get run out of office.

My wife is American, so I have a somewhat unique perspective here. My wife when I first brought her here, had a very negative effect on our single payer health care system here. When I said socialised healthcare, she taught it wouldn't be as good or as effective as the for profit based system in the US. She's a democrat but she was raised by that American belief that the government can't do stuff as effective as private industry. American's in general don't want a strong central government. Most Americans consider it a slippery slope to Communism. Subsidised election campaigns are the definition of strong central government and as such would be quite easily painted in the corner of Communism. So unless American's learn the difference between social democracies and Communism dark money will always exist in the US.

Getting to Denmark: how hidden money corrupts Danish politics

Why does this article say different then.............

In that entire article there was not a single reference to Belgium. Except one of the authors who is a previous Belgian PM. I don't even claim that business doesn't influence Belgian politics, in fact I know that they do. I'm simply claiming that dark money in general and super PACS in particular will never go away, as long as you guys are raised to believe that a strong central government equals Communism.

My bad it was Denmark article.