Debunking the claim that “Palestinians” are the indigenous people of Israel

[montelatici]

No. It doesnt. It says nothing about "massive" immigration. It says what is known was that SOME migration took place, and lot of it was the internal move.ent of people from mountainous areas to coastal areas.

If you are so fucking stupid to deny the massive arab muslim pop increase, as shown by the Turkish, British and UN census' taken show, then you're really too stupid to even begin to participate in this thread. Sorry asshole, but that's a well known fact that the pro-arab muslim terror apolgist filth including you is not going to be able to BS away. So sick of lying fucking trash like you.

You are the lying piece of pig shit. You have no facts, you just make things up. You are a bullshitter and a little coward. And a moron. Here are the facts, punk.The massive influx was that of invading Europeans.


"UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF ​

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY​

SUPPLEMENT No. 11


​

UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE​

​

REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY​

​

VOLUME 1​

​

Lake Success
New York
1947​

14. It will have been noticed that not only has there been a remarkably rapid increase in the total population of Palestine but also the proportion of Jews in the total has greatly increased, from 12.91 -per cent in 1922 to 32.96 per cent in 1946. Conversely, of course, the Arab proportion has fallen since 1922. The Moslem proportion of the population (almost entirely Arab) has fallen from about 75 per cent of the total to 60 per cent, and the Christian proportion (very largely Arab) from 11 per cent to 8 per cent. Thus, at the present time about one-third of the total settled population is Jewish.

(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/07175DE9FA2DE563852568D3006E10F3

 

[Coyote]

No. It doesnt. It says nothing about "massive" immigration. It says what is known was that SOME migration took place, and lot of it was the internal move.ent of people from mountainous areas to coastal areas.

If you are so fucking stupid to deny the massive arab muslim pop increase, as shown by the Turkish, British and UN census' taken show, then you're really too stupid to even begin to participate in this thread. Sorry asshole, but that's a well known fact that the pro-arab muslim terror apolgist filth including you is not going to be able to BS away. So sick of lying fucking trash like you.

You are the lying piece of pig shit. You have no facts, you just make things up. You are a bullshitter and a little coward. And a moron. Here are the facts, punk.The massive influx was that of invading Europeans.


"UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

14. It will have been noticed that not only has there been a remarkably rapid increase in the total population of Palestine but also the proportion of Jews in the total has greatly increased, from 12.91 -per cent in 1922 to 32.96 per cent in 1946. Conversely, of course, the Arab proportion has fallen since 1922. The Moslem proportion of the population (almost entirely Arab) has fallen from about 75 per cent of the total to 60 per cent, and the Christian proportion (very largely Arab) from 11 per cent to 8 per cent. Thus, at the present time about one-third of the total settled population is Jewish.

(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/07175DE9FA2DE563852568D3006E10F3

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

 

[montelatici]

No. It doesnt. It says nothing about "massive" immigration. It says what is known was that SOME migration took place, and lot of it was the internal move.ent of people from mountainous areas to coastal areas.

If you are so fucking stupid to deny the massive arab muslim pop increase, as shown by the Turkish, British and UN census' taken show, then you're really too stupid to even begin to participate in this thread. Sorry asshole, but that's a well known fact that the pro-arab muslim terror apolgist filth including you is not going to be able to BS away. So sick of lying fucking trash like you.

You are the lying piece of pig shit. You have no facts, you just make things up. You are a bullshitter and a little coward. And a moron. Here are the facts, punk.The massive influx was that of invading Europeans.


"UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

14. It will have been noticed that not only has there been a remarkably rapid increase in the total population of Palestine but also the proportion of Jews in the total has greatly increased, from 12.91 -per cent in 1922 to 32.96 per cent in 1946. Conversely, of course, the Arab proportion has fallen since 1922. The Moslem proportion of the population (almost entirely Arab) has fallen from about 75 per cent of the total to 60 per cent, and the Christian proportion (very largely Arab) from 11 per cent to 8 per cent. Thus, at the present time about one-third of the total settled population is Jewish.

(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

A/364 of 3 September 1947

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

 

[Coyote]

No. It doesnt. It says nothing about "massive" immigration. It says what is known was that SOME migration took place, and lot of it was the internal move.ent of people from mountainous areas to coastal areas.

If you are so fucking stupid to deny the massive arab muslim pop increase, as shown by the Turkish, British and UN census' taken show, then you're really too stupid to even begin to participate in this thread. Sorry asshole, but that's a well known fact that the pro-arab muslim terror apolgist filth including you is not going to be able to BS away. So sick of lying fucking trash like you.

You are the lying piece of pig shit. You have no facts, you just make things up. You are a bullshitter and a little coward. And a moron. Here are the facts, punk.The massive influx was that of invading Europeans.


"UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

14. It will have been noticed that not only has there been a remarkably rapid increase in the total population of Palestine but also the proportion of Jews in the total has greatly increased, from 12.91 -per cent in 1922 to 32.96 per cent in 1946. Conversely, of course, the Arab proportion has fallen since 1922. The Moslem proportion of the population (almost entirely Arab) has fallen from about 75 per cent of the total to 60 per cent, and the Christian proportion (very largely Arab) from 11 per cent to 8 per cent. Thus, at the present time about one-third of the total settled population is Jewish.

(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

A/364 of 3 September 1947

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

 

[montelatici]

No. It doesnt. It says nothing about "massive" immigration. It says what is known was that SOME migration took place, and lot of it was the internal move.ent of people from mountainous areas to coastal areas.

If you are so fucking stupid to deny the massive arab muslim pop increase, as shown by the Turkish, British and UN census' taken show, then you're really too stupid to even begin to participate in this thread. Sorry asshole, but that's a well known fact that the pro-arab muslim terror apolgist filth including you is not going to be able to BS away. So sick of lying fucking trash like you.

You are the lying piece of pig shit. You have no facts, you just make things up. You are a bullshitter and a little coward. And a moron. Here are the facts, punk.The massive influx was that of invading Europeans.


"UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

14. It will have been noticed that not only has there been a remarkably rapid increase in the total population of Palestine but also the proportion of Jews in the total has greatly increased, from 12.91 -per cent in 1922 to 32.96 per cent in 1946. Conversely, of course, the Arab proportion has fallen since 1922. The Moslem proportion of the population (almost entirely Arab) has fallen from about 75 per cent of the total to 60 per cent, and the Christian proportion (very largely Arab) from 11 per cent to 8 per cent. Thus, at the present time about one-third of the total settled population is Jewish.

(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

A/364 of 3 September 1947

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

 

[Coyote]

If you are so fucking stupid to deny the massive arab muslim pop increase, as shown by the Turkish, British and UN census' taken show, then you're really too stupid to even begin to participate in this thread. Sorry asshole, but that's a well known fact that the pro-arab muslim terror apolgist filth including you is not going to be able to BS away. So sick of lying fucking trash like you.

You are the lying piece of pig shit. You have no facts, you just make things up. You are a bullshitter and a little coward. And a moron. Here are the facts, punk.The massive influx was that of invading Europeans.


"UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

14. It will have been noticed that not only has there been a remarkably rapid increase in the total population of Palestine but also the proportion of Jews in the total has greatly increased, from 12.91 -per cent in 1922 to 32.96 per cent in 1946. Conversely, of course, the Arab proportion has fallen since 1922. The Moslem proportion of the population (almost entirely Arab) has fallen from about 75 per cent of the total to 60 per cent, and the Christian proportion (very largely Arab) from 11 per cent to 8 per cent. Thus, at the present time about one-third of the total settled population is Jewish.

(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

A/364 of 3 September 1947

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

Now it's a Zionist propaganda document? Why would a resolution be more accurate on population counts?

 

[Phoenall]

Don't you think though, that the double standard is prevalent on both sides?

No, I don't. Not prevalent on both sides. I think most of the double standards are presented by Team Palestine and Team Israel often defends against these double standards by mirroring them. Its an important distinction. Its a call and response. It looks like both sides are contributing equally to the double standards, but in reality one is provoking and one is defending. While there are occasional Team Israel members who post unsavory ideas, I don't believe that any on Team Israel fundamentally believe that the Palestinian people have no right to exist, have no right to self-determination and have no right to a State. Where this is the foundation of nearly everyone on Team Palestine (you being the notable exception).

But you being the reasonable person you are, might be able to convince me. You'd have to bring examples, though. It would be a worthy conversation, if you are interested. I always enjoy debating with you.

As long as I've been here I've heard the same arguments rehashed over and over and well...you know: Jewish Invaders! Arab Squatters! We need to move past it, just like we need to move past "Israel's right to exist". Regardless of how one feels about it's founding, it's here, been here now for generations as a state, and it's not going anywhere, so move on.

Could not possibly agree with you more! I've often said that the actual, practical problems are easy to solve. Its the ideology that is problematic.

I thought about examples, so, I'll try to put them in an organized fashion - these are just some.

When a person denies the existence of a people as a people, what is the motivation behind it? Most often, it is to delegitimize them in some way. In the IP conflict it's to delegitimize their right to be in a certain area. This is most often expressed in terms like:
they are a fake people
they are an invented people
they are immigrants and invaders
they have no inherent right to exist or to self determination

Some of the Pro-Israeli comments that have supported this (including even the irradication of a religion) include:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/16109029/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/16041663/
Israeli illegal settlements

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/13365440/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15014695/

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15886265/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15542663/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15478165/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14315588/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14232927/

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15993547/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15707673/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15671204/




Disclaimer: because someone will automatically jump in and say "but the pro-Pali's....." - this is not to say the Pro-P side doesn't do the same

So why haven't you itemised them in the same way, or is it only the pro Jews that warrant your attention ?

 

[Phoenall]

ARRANT YOUR

No. It doesnt. It says nothing about "massive" immigration. It says what is known was that SOME migration took place, and lot of it was the internal move.ent of people from mountainous areas to coastal areas.

If you are so fucking stupid to deny the massive arab muslim pop increase, as shown by the Turkish, British and UN census' taken show, then you're really too stupid to even begin to participate in this thread. Sorry asshole, but that's a well known fact that the pro-arab muslim terror apolgist filth including you is not going to be able to BS away. So sick of lying fucking trash like you.

You have the trashiest mouth of anyone on this forum and frankly not worth the interaction. As my source said - your claims (Peters) are not born out and data is not very reliable from that period.

But good enough to use by team palestine to shout down the Jews and prove they were never inhabitants of the land when under Ottoman control.

 

[Phoenall]

If you are so fucking stupid to deny the massive arab muslim pop increase, as shown by the Turkish, British and UN census' taken show, then you're really too stupid to even begin to participate in this thread. Sorry asshole, but that's a well known fact that the pro-arab muslim terror apolgist filth including you is not going to be able to BS away. So sick of lying fucking trash like you.

You are the lying piece of pig shit. You have no facts, you just make things up. You are a bullshitter and a little coward. And a moron. Here are the facts, punk.The massive influx was that of invading Europeans.


"UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

14. It will have been noticed that not only has there been a remarkably rapid increase in the total population of Palestine but also the proportion of Jews in the total has greatly increased, from 12.91 -per cent in 1922 to 32.96 per cent in 1946. Conversely, of course, the Arab proportion has fallen since 1922. The Moslem proportion of the population (almost entirely Arab) has fallen from about 75 per cent of the total to 60 per cent, and the Christian proportion (very largely Arab) from 11 per cent to 8 per cent. Thus, at the present time about one-third of the total settled population is Jewish.

(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

A/364 of 3 September 1947

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

And what difference does that make, if it is true then you have lost the argument and should step down

 

[Phoenall]

You are the lying piece of pig shit. You have no facts, you just make things up. You are a bullshitter and a little coward. And a moron. Here are the facts, punk.The massive influx was that of invading Europeans.


"UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

14. It will have been noticed that not only has there been a remarkably rapid increase in the total population of Palestine but also the proportion of Jews in the total has greatly increased, from 12.91 -per cent in 1922 to 32.96 per cent in 1946. Conversely, of course, the Arab proportion has fallen since 1922. The Moslem proportion of the population (almost entirely Arab) has fallen from about 75 per cent of the total to 60 per cent, and the Christian proportion (very largely Arab) from 11 per cent to 8 per cent. Thus, at the present time about one-third of the total settled population is Jewish.

(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

A/364 of 3 September 1947

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

Now it's a Zionist propaganda document? Why would a resolution be more accurate on population counts?

Because he says so, which is the only argument he has these days

 

[peabody]

The U.S. needs to go in and fuck with the Palestinians and support settlements in occupied territory because it will keep us safe around the world.

 

[montelatici]

You are the lying piece of pig shit. You have no facts, you just make things up. You are a bullshitter and a little coward. And a moron. Here are the facts, punk.The massive influx was that of invading Europeans.


"UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947​

14. It will have been noticed that not only has there been a remarkably rapid increase in the total population of Palestine but also the proportion of Jews in the total has greatly increased, from 12.91 -per cent in 1922 to 32.96 per cent in 1946. Conversely, of course, the Arab proportion has fallen since 1922. The Moslem proportion of the population (almost entirely Arab) has fallen from about 75 per cent of the total to 60 per cent, and the Christian proportion (very largely Arab) from 11 per cent to 8 per cent. Thus, at the present time about one-third of the total settled population is Jewish.

(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

A/364 of 3 September 1947

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

Now it's a Zionist propaganda document? Why would a resolution be more accurate on population counts?

Of course a Zionist propaganda site will not be objective, A/364 is based on a detailed Survey, called the Survey of Palestine that was commissioned by the UN and performed by the Anglo-American Commission of Inquiry. The Zionist site you link to is designed to justify, through lies, the eviction and expropriation of the Muslims and Christians of Palestine by the European Jews. If you are propagating Zionist lies and propaganda too appear "moderate" to the Zionists that post here, that's up to you, but the Zionists will not consider you in any different way. The facts are the facts, and they won't be found on partisan sites.

 

[Hollie]

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

Now it's a Zionist propaganda document? Why would a resolution be more accurate on population counts?

Of course a Zionist propaganda site will not be objective, A/364 is based on a detailed Survey, called the Survey of Palestine that was commissioned by the UN and performed by the Anglo-American Commission of Inquiry. The Zionist site you link to is designed to justify, through lies, the eviction and expropriation of the Muslims and Christians of Palestine by the European Jews. If you are propagating Zionist lies and propaganda too appear "moderate" to the Zionists that post here, that's up to you, but the Zionists will not consider you in any different way. The facts are the facts, and they won't be found on partisan sites.

Of course, "the Monty" is right because "the Monty" says he is right. Facts are just an inconvenience when one is looking for some islamo street-cred. Unfortunately for "the Monty", we know from the Ottoman land records the the Turks held large tracts of land as an Islamist waqf and that absentee owners in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon owned similarly large tracts of land in what "the Monty" believes to be his invented "country of Pal'istan".

 

[Phoenall]

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

Now it's a Zionist propaganda document? Why would a resolution be more accurate on population counts?

Of course a Zionist propaganda site will not be objective, A/364 is based on a detailed Survey, called the Survey of Palestine that was commissioned by the UN and performed by the Anglo-American Commission of Inquiry. The Zionist site you link to is designed to justify, through lies, the eviction and expropriation of the Muslims and Christians of Palestine by the European Jews. If you are propagating Zionist lies and propaganda too appear "moderate" to the Zionists that post here, that's up to you, but the Zionists will not consider you in any different way. The facts are the facts, and they won't be found on partisan sites.

Which it wasnt as they committee were lazy and employed arab muslim to do the work for them. This meant that the report was skewed in the favour of the arab muslims. Also the resolution A/364 was carried out by UNSCOP and not the anglo american commision of enquiry as shown by the heading of A/364

I. THE ORIGIN AND ACTIVITIES OF UNSCOP

The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) has completed its task within the limited period of three months fixed by the General Assembly. This has entailed great pressure of work. Every effort has been made to avoid, as far as possible, unforgivable errors and lacunae. It may, however, be foreseen that defects will be discovered by those who have been studying the Palestine question for years.

SO ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE SHOWN TO BE A LIAR AND WILL NOW START HAVING ONE OF YOUR MELTDOWNS


We dont need to lie as the evidence is widespread while all you have is made up islamonazi propaganda and blood libels. Do you still believe the Jews killed your god as the nuns and priests told you.

 

[Phoenall]

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

Now it's a Zionist propaganda document? Why would a resolution be more accurate on population counts?

Of course a Zionist propaganda site will not be objective, A/364 is based on a detailed Survey, called the Survey of Palestine that was commissioned by the UN and performed by the Anglo-American Commission of Inquiry. The Zionist site you link to is designed to justify, through lies, the eviction and expropriation of the Muslims and Christians of Palestine by the European Jews. If you are propagating Zionist lies and propaganda too appear "moderate" to the Zionists that post here, that's up to you, but the Zionists will not consider you in any different way. The facts are the facts, and they won't be found on partisan sites.

Of course, "the Monty" is right because "the Monty" says he is right. Facts are just an inconvenience when one is looking for some islamo street-cred. Unfortunately for "the Monty", we know from the Ottoman land records the the Turks held large tracts of land as an Islamist waqf and that absentee owners in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon owned similarly large tracts of land in what "the Monty" believes to be his invented "country of Pal'istan".

We also know by reading his links that he is a LIAR and that UNSCOP was not the same thing as the anglo american commission and so proving he is going to tell any lie to push his Jew hatred

 

[Coyote]

Don't you think though, that the double standard is prevalent on both sides?

No, I don't. Not prevalent on both sides. I think most of the double standards are presented by Team Palestine and Team Israel often defends against these double standards by mirroring them. Its an important distinction. Its a call and response. It looks like both sides are contributing equally to the double standards, but in reality one is provoking and one is defending. While there are occasional Team Israel members who post unsavory ideas, I don't believe that any on Team Israel fundamentally believe that the Palestinian people have no right to exist, have no right to self-determination and have no right to a State. Where this is the foundation of nearly everyone on Team Palestine (you being the notable exception).

But you being the reasonable person you are, might be able to convince me. You'd have to bring examples, though. It would be a worthy conversation, if you are interested. I always enjoy debating with you.

As long as I've been here I've heard the same arguments rehashed over and over and well...you know: Jewish Invaders! Arab Squatters! We need to move past it, just like we need to move past "Israel's right to exist". Regardless of how one feels about it's founding, it's here, been here now for generations as a state, and it's not going anywhere, so move on.

Could not possibly agree with you more! I've often said that the actual, practical problems are easy to solve. Its the ideology that is problematic.

I thought about examples, so, I'll try to put them in an organized fashion - these are just some.

When a person denies the existence of a people as a people, what is the motivation behind it? Most often, it is to delegitimize them in some way. In the IP conflict it's to delegitimize their right to be in a certain area. This is most often expressed in terms like:
they are a fake people
they are an invented people
they are immigrants and invaders
they have no inherent right to exist or to self determination

Some of the Pro-Israeli comments that have supported this (including even the irradication of a religion) include:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/16109029/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/16041663/
Israeli illegal settlements

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/13365440/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15014695/

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15886265/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15542663/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15478165/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14315588/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14232927/

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15993547/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15707673/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15671204/




Disclaimer: because someone will automatically jump in and say "but the pro-Pali's....." - this is not to say the Pro-P side doesn't do the same

So why haven't you itemised them in the same way, or is it only the pro Jews that warrant your attention ?

Because I was responding to a specific query - or did that pass right over your head? We were discussing the prevalence of double standards among Team Israel and Team Pali on this issue and she asked me for examples.

 

[Coyote]

ARRANT YOUR

No. It doesnt. It says nothing about "massive" immigration. It says what is known was that SOME migration took place, and lot of it was the internal move.ent of people from mountainous areas to coastal areas.

If you are so fucking stupid to deny the massive arab muslim pop increase, as shown by the Turkish, British and UN census' taken show, then you're really too stupid to even begin to participate in this thread. Sorry asshole, but that's a well known fact that the pro-arab muslim terror apolgist filth including you is not going to be able to BS away. So sick of lying fucking trash like you.

You have the trashiest mouth of anyone on this forum and frankly not worth the interaction. As my source said - your claims (Peters) are not born out and data is not very reliable from that period.

But good enough to use by team palestine to shout down the Jews and prove they were never inhabitants of the land when under Ottoman control.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Coyote]

According to the same source I used for Palestinian immigration - it stated that the immigration of Jews did not in anyway displace the Arabs. They occurred in seperate areas.

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

Now it's a Zionist propaganda document? Why would a resolution be more accurate on population counts?

Of course a Zionist propaganda site will not be objective, A/364 is based on a detailed Survey, called the Survey of Palestine that was commissioned by the UN and performed by the Anglo-American Commission of Inquiry. The Zionist site you link to is designed to justify, through lies, the eviction and expropriation of the Muslims and Christians of Palestine by the European Jews. If you are propagating Zionist lies and propaganda too appear "moderate" to the Zionists that post here, that's up to you, but the Zionists will not consider you in any different way. The facts are the facts, and they won't be found on partisan sites.

Despite it being a "Zionist propaganda site" in your terms - it also debunks the claim that there was massive Arab migration into Palestine and associated claim that the Palestinians are mostly immigrants not native people. I find it amusing that both sides claim it's wrong.

 

[montelatici]

That is not fact. The non-Jews were evicted from all the lands the Jews settled. That's just a fact and original Zionist policy. Herzl was quite clear.

“We shall have to spirit the penniless population (the Arabs) across the border … while denying it any employment in our own country.” - See more at: To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zionist and Israeli leaders

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

Now it's a Zionist propaganda document? Why would a resolution be more accurate on population counts?

Of course a Zionist propaganda site will not be objective, A/364 is based on a detailed Survey, called the Survey of Palestine that was commissioned by the UN and performed by the Anglo-American Commission of Inquiry. The Zionist site you link to is designed to justify, through lies, the eviction and expropriation of the Muslims and Christians of Palestine by the European Jews. If you are propagating Zionist lies and propaganda too appear "moderate" to the Zionists that post here, that's up to you, but the Zionists will not consider you in any different way. The facts are the facts, and they won't be found on partisan sites.

Despite it being a "Zionist propaganda site" in your terms - it also debunks the claim that there was massive Arab migration into Palestine and associated claim that the Palestinians are mostly immigrants not native people. I find it amusing that both sides claim it's wrong.

Official LON and UN documents debunk the Zionists claim that non-Jews immigrated to Palestine. They make it clear that the mass immigration/invasion of Palestine was Jewish. What's false is the claim that Jews did not displace the native population. If they hadn't, there would not have been a conflict. Ahad Ha'am (ne' Ginsburg) an early Zionist complained about the Jews driving off Arabs on lands they had used for pasteur and agriculture for centuries.

 

[Coyote]

According to the same source I used for the Arab immigration claims:

3. Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. Every indication is that there was net Arab immigration into Palestine in this period, and that the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved tremendously under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries. By 1948, there were approximately 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews living between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, more Arabs than had ever lived in Palestine before, and more Jews than had lived there since Roman times. Analysis of population by sub-districts shows that Arab population tended to increase the most between 1931 and 1948 in the same areas where there were large proportions of Jews. Therefore, Zionist immigration did not displace Arabs. For a detailed discussion that focuses on this myth, please refer to Zionism and its Impact.​

You are quoting from a Zionist propaganda document, not Resolution A/364. Quit making things up.

Now it's a Zionist propaganda document? Why would a resolution be more accurate on population counts?

Of course a Zionist propaganda site will not be objective, A/364 is based on a detailed Survey, called the Survey of Palestine that was commissioned by the UN and performed by the Anglo-American Commission of Inquiry. The Zionist site you link to is designed to justify, through lies, the eviction and expropriation of the Muslims and Christians of Palestine by the European Jews. If you are propagating Zionist lies and propaganda too appear "moderate" to the Zionists that post here, that's up to you, but the Zionists will not consider you in any different way. The facts are the facts, and they won't be found on partisan sites.

Despite it being a "Zionist propaganda site" in your terms - it also debunks the claim that there was massive Arab migration into Palestine and associated claim that the Palestinians are mostly immigrants not native people. I find it amusing that both sides claim it's wrong.

Official LON and UN documents debunk the Zionists claim that non-Jews immigrated to Palestine. They make it clear that the mass immigration/invasion of Palestine was Jewish. What's false is the claim that Jews did not displace the native population. If they hadn't, there would not have been a conflict. Ahad Ha'am (ne' Ginsburg) an early Zionist complained about the Jews driving off Arabs on lands they had used for pasteur and agriculture for centuries.

There was immigration on both sides - Jewish and Arabs, for different reasons. The origins of the conflict were not displacement but in having a Jewish state there in the first place. The Arabs were not willing to allow a Jewish state in Muslim lands. Arab population in Palestine increased at the same time Jewish population did - so how could there have been displacement? It only became displacement later when Israel innacted various laws that allowed them to more easily confiscate property and that made it more difficult for Palestinians to reclaim property and easier for Jews to reclaim property. But the immigration - on both sides, did not displace people.