Democrat Kamala Harris obliterated on Twitter...AGAIN

[Slade3200]

Right now they have no responsibility to pay for everybodies healthcare. But again we have laws, bills and acts that dictate how our government strands our tax money to best benefit the welfare of the people. That's what elections, debate, and legislation is all about

More importantly - we have a U.S. Constitution that dictates how our government must operate and it absolutely trumps elections, debates, and legislation. And it clearly dictates that the federal government has no authority to redistribute wealth.

I already addressed that in my previous post. Just because you claim it's unconstitutional doesn't mean it doesn't become ligitimate law. It's been happening since the inception of our government, our founders even did it. Look at slavery... join reality, you are trying to paint the picture of a system that doesn't exist.

 

[P@triot]

Also, welfare, SS and Medicare all passed with bipartisan support.

Republicans vehemently opposed all three. You need to check your facts like you had to about the government "paying for the uninsured". Your statement there is 100% false. Here is far left-wing ThinkProgress my friend (funded by none other than George Soros himself):

Flashback: Republicans Opposed Medicare In 1960s By Warning Of Rationing, ‘Socialized Medicine’

 

[P@triot]

Right now they have no responsibility to pay for everybodies healthcare. But again we have laws, bills and acts that dictate how our government strands our tax money to best benefit the welfare of the people. That's what elections, debate, and legislation is all about

More importantly - we have a U.S. Constitution that dictates how our government must operate and it absolutely trumps elections, debates, and legislation. And it clearly dictates that the federal government has no authority to redistribute wealth.

I already addressed that in my previous post. Just because you claim it's unconstitutional doesn't mean it doesn't become ligitimate law.

Again....just because women get raped every day doesn't mean rape is allowed in America. Is just illustrates that we have criminals and criminals don't obey the law. That goes for government as well.

 

[cutter]

Healthcare is labor provided by others. You do not have a right to another persons labor. The 13th amendment ended that argument definitively

It didn't help the bakery that didn't want to support gay marriage.

 

[Slade3200]

It's a sticky situation. Would you propose that hospitals allow people to die in their waiting rooms if they don't have insurance or prove to have the means to pay for care?

No. I would propose that we allow the individual to handle their own business and in the cases where they didn't or were unable to - we allow charity to handle it.

• St. Jude's provides healthcare to children at absolutely no cost to the family.

• The Shriners Hospital provides healthcare to children at absolutely no cost to the family.

Both are proof that it can be done. And if we eliminate over $1 trillion per year in entitlements - it can be done even better.

Obviously the best solution is to have as many people covered as possible, would you agree with that?

Ideally? Absolutely.

We have had decades of a free market system and yet millions are uncovered. We fund programs like medicare and medicad, we've regulated insurance agencies to keep children on parents plans, and not allow them to deny coverage to those with preexisting conditions. All while programs like St. Judes and Shriners have had the ability to help the millions that remain uninsured despite all the efforts I listed above. You just said that the best solution to our healthcare costs problems is getting as many people as possible covered. Don't you think history has shown that your proposed solution of "allowing the individual to handle their own business" hasn't worked. People have always been allowed to handle their own business and these problems have escalated. Obamacare actually got 20 million people coverage, that is a good thing. It was not successful in expanding care options and lowering prices so measures need to be taken to address that. However, I big chunk of the main problem (the uninsured) was helped by the Act.

 

[Slade3200]

DID You happen to get a look at the new healthcare bill the GoP is trying pass? You really don't see anything in there that you consider unconstitutional?

Any legislation Congress creates, discusses, or passes into law is 100% unconstitutional as healthcare is not the constitutional responsibility of the federal government.

Wonderful, then you just proved that Democrats and Republicans are both part of the problem. Perhaps you can now stop pointing the partisan finger at democrats for being the sole cause of everything you complain about.

 

[Slade3200]

Also, welfare, SS and Medicare all passed with bipartisan support.

Republicans vehemently opposed all three. You need to check your facts like you had to about the government "paying for the uninsured". Your statement there is 100% false. Here is far left-wing ThinkProgress my friend (funded by none other than George Soros himself):

Flashback: Republicans Opposed Medicare In 1960s By Warning Of Rationing, ‘Socialized Medicine’

Republicans were just about split down the middle on Medicad, and there was overwhelming support for social security as I mentioned before with only 6 nay votes from the senate. These are the numbers, I don't know how you can say they are 100% false.

Medicare:
Social Security History
SS:
Social Security History

 

[Slade3200]

Right now they have no responsibility to pay for everybodies healthcare. But again we have laws, bills and acts that dictate how our government strands our tax money to best benefit the welfare of the people. That's what elections, debate, and legislation is all about

More importantly - we have a U.S. Constitution that dictates how our government must operate and it absolutely trumps elections, debates, and legislation. And it clearly dictates that the federal government has no authority to redistribute wealth.

I already addressed that in my previous post. Just because you claim it's unconstitutional doesn't mean it doesn't become ligitimate law.

Again....just because women get raped every day doesn't mean rape is allowed in America. Is just illustrates that we have criminals and criminals don't obey the law. That goes for government as well.

Poor example, you are stretching and I think you know it... Our government makes and enforces the laws of our nation. They have the power to change the constitution if they want as they have done multiple times in the past. Somebody raping a girl is breaking the law. Congress passing a law is making a law, not breaking a law. There is a process if there is controversy over a law being constitutional. It gets appealed and the courts decide. It gets vetoed by the President. Or Congress repeals the law through a process. This is our system. This is how it works. If you are going to go around claiming that our laws and programs like Social Security and Medicare are illegal then you are going to be ignored as a fringe extremist and nobody is going to take your arguments seriously.

 

[Pogo]

DID You happen to get a look at the new healthcare bill the GoP is trying pass? You really don't see anything in there that you consider unconstitutional?

Any legislation Congress creates, discusses, or passes into law is 100% unconstitutional as healthcare is not the constitutional responsibility of the federal government.

Horse Shit.
Why don't you show the class exactly where said Constitution prohibits it, Elmer.

"The Constitution makes no mention of aviation. Therefore the FAA is unConstitutional".

Bullshit.

 

[P@triot]

You just said that the best solution to our healthcare costs problems is getting as many people as possible covered. Don't you think history has shown that your proposed solution of "allowing the individual to handle their own business" hasn't worked. People have always been allowed to handle their own business and these problems have escalated.

People haven't been permitted to handle their own business since the 1800's. And guess what? Healthcare was ultra affordable back then. People didn't even need health insurance. It was so affordable - they could pay out of pocket.

Want another example? Government has not intervened at all in the laser eye surgery industry (yet). All we've seen is prices absolutely plummet while technology and results have skyrocketed.

 

[P@triot]

Obamacare actually got 20 million people coverage, that is a good thing.

While actually causing 10 million people to lose their current coverage and causing prices to skyrocket for all of society. Absolutely through the roof. And oh yeah - adding trillions to the national debt.

Sorry - but that is catastrophic failure. A net gain of 10 million insured (many of which are gang bangers, crack whores, etc.) at the expense of good, hard working, law abiding citizens and massive national debt is a special kind of stupid that could only come from the left.

 

[P@triot]

Wonderful, then you just proved that Democrats and Republicans are both part of the problem. Perhaps you can now stop pointing the partisan finger at democrats for being the sole cause of everything you complain about.

Not all chief. Dumbocrats create the problem and the American people turn to the Republicans to clean it up. That places them in a precarious position. What has been your mantra on this board for years now? "The Republicans had their chance to 'fix' healthcare and they did nothing". Republicans obeyed the Constitution and stayed out of it. Dumbocrats fucked everything up (as always) and now Republicans are left with a legislative and political nightmare.

 

[P@triot]

Also, welfare, SS and Medicare all passed with bipartisan support.

Republicans vehemently opposed all three. You need to check your facts like you had to about the government "paying for the uninsured". Your statement there is 100% false. Here is far left-wing ThinkProgress my friend (funded by none other than George Soros himself):

Flashback: Republicans Opposed Medicare In 1960s By Warning Of Rationing, ‘Socialized Medicine’

Republicans were just about split down the middle on Medicad

No they weren't. At all. I just proved that. They vehemently opposed all of it. And they accurately predicted exactly what the results would be.

 

[P@triot]

Our government makes and enforces the laws of our nation. They have the power to change the constitution if they want as they have done multiple times in the past.

Some of things you say are just jaw-dropping crazy. The only way the U.S. Constitution can be altered is through the amendment process. Social Security was not a legal and proper amendment to the constitution and even the Democrats would tell you that. Medicare was not a legal and proper amendment to the constitution and even the Democrats would tell you that. Medicaid was not a legal and proper amendment to the constitution and even the Democrats would tell you that. Obamacare was not a legal and proper amendment to the constitution and even the Democrats would tell you that.

In all of those cases (and more) they were standard legislation which the federal government expanded their own power beyond the 18 enumerate delegated to them by the states, without a constitutional amendment.

 

[Seawytch]

Right now people go to the ER and get treated. The tax payers pay those bills for those who are uninsured. Correct?

What?!? In what world do you live in?!? Unless they are on Medicaid - the answer is an unequivocal and overwhelming NO. No they don't. The government doesn't cover that at all.

Initially the hospital eats the cost and then they pass it off to the consumer later on (which is why a freaking aspirin costs $10 in a hospital) to cover it.

He lives in this world...where St Reagan required hospitals to treat patients and taxpayers to pay for it.

Those costs have prompted financially strapped hospitals to rely on a complex system of shifting costs. Most of the burden falls on taxpayers, with the government providing tens of billions of dollars annually to help hospitals care for the uninsured. Privately insured Americans also pay a price as insurers raise premiums to reflect higher charges from hospitals.

In the past, the cost shifting was cited by many conservatives as a reason why the federal government should require Americans to have health insurance.

"If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance," the Heritage Foundation's Stuart Butler said in 1989. "We will not deny him services — even if that means more prudent citizens end up paying the tab."

Butler, like many Republicans, has since renounced the insurance mandate.

Obama healthcare law: Who pays for the uninsured?

 

[P@triot]

Again....just because women get raped every day doesn't mean rape is allowed in America. Is just illustrates that we have criminals and criminals don't obey the law. That goes for government as well.

Poor example, you are stretching and I think you know it...

It's a perfect example. Breaking the law is breaking the law. You want to convince yourself and others that the government is in complete and total control and are free to do whatever they want and that is simply not the case.

 

[P@triot]

Right now people go to the ER and get treated. The tax payers pay those bills for those who are uninsured. Correct?

What?!? In what world do you live in?!? Unless they are on Medicaid - the answer is an unequivocal and overwhelming NO. No they don't. The government doesn't cover that at all.

Initially the hospital eats the cost and then they pass it off to the consumer later on (which is why a freaking aspirin costs $10 in a hospital) to cover it.

He lives in this world...where St Reagan required hospitals to treat patients and taxpayers to pay for it.

Sweetie....Ronald Reagan was president of the United States. He didn't create legislation. Tip O'Neill and the Dumbocrat Congress did. Oh - and the tax payers weren't paying a dime from that legislation. The free market was picking up the cost of that idiotic socialism.

Unlike Obama - Reagan actually respected the U.S. Constitution and the separation of powers. Any other really stupid things you'd like to say?

 

[Seawytch]

Right now people go to the ER and get treated. The tax payers pay those bills for those who are uninsured. Correct?

What?!? In what world do you live in?!? Unless they are on Medicaid - the answer is an unequivocal and overwhelming NO. No they don't. The government doesn't cover that at all.

Initially the hospital eats the cost and then they pass it off to the consumer later on (which is why a freaking aspirin costs $10 in a hospital) to cover it.

He lives in this world...where St Reagan required hospitals to treat patients and taxpayers to pay for it.

Sweetie....Ronald Reagan was president of the United States. He didn't create legislation. Tip O'Neill and the Dumbocrat Congress did. Oh - and the tax payers weren't paying a dime from that legislation. The free market was picking up the cost of that idiotic socialism.

Unlike Obama - Reagan actually respected the U.S. Constitution and the separation of powers. Any other really stupid things you'd like to say?

You're right. It was bipartisan legislation that St Ronny happily signed with much fanfare. Much like the ACA.

And no, taxpayers pay the brunt...as I just showed you. Is that what Alex Jones teaches you, to completely ignore facts?

Those costs have prompted financially strapped hospitals to rely on a complex system of shifting costs. Most of the burden falls on taxpayers, with the government providing tens of billions of dollars annually to help hospitals care for the uninsured.

 

[P@triot]

And no, taxpayers pay the brunt...as I just showed you. Is that what Alex Jones teaches you, to completely ignore facts?

Oh sweetie....you added a link to Obamacare while talking about the law passed by Tip O'Neil and the Dumbocrats in the 1980's which forced hospitals to accept any and all patients regardless of their ability to pay.

You are so confused right now - you literally have no idea which way is up. Sweetie - Barack Obama was snorting coke and smoking pot at Columbia when that bill was passed. We all know that Obamacare shifts the burden to tay payers. But we were talking about the 1980's. You know.....almost 4 decades before Obamacare.

 

[Seawytch]

And no, taxpayers pay the brunt...as I just showed you. Is that what Alex Jones teaches you, to completely ignore facts?

Oh sweetie....you added a link to Obamacare while talking about the law passed by Tip O'Neil and the Dumbocrats in the 1980's which forced hospitals to accept any and all patients regardless of their ability to pay.

You are so confused right now - you literally have no idea which way is up. Sweetie - Barack Obama was snorting coke and smoking pot at Columbia when that bill was passed. We all know that Obamacare shifts the burden to tay payers. But we were talking about the 1980's. You know.....almost 4 decades before Obamacare.

I provided you a link that explains to you who pays for emergency room visits. The bulk comes from taxpayers. I realize it proved you wrong and you're trying to obfuscate but you're still wrong. Taxpayers pay for the bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by the Sainted Ronald of Reagan.