Demonstrably false claims made agains Arab Palestinians

[montelatici]

And for the Coup de Grace. An Ottoman military map of Palestine. Wow, published in 1331. Ruddy go dig. LOL

The first map in this collection was published in Filastin Risalesi, an official publication of the Ottoman army intended to be used as an officer’s manual for the Palestine region.The manual itself is a social, topographical, demographic and economic survey of Palestine circa its time of publication, 1331 (Rumi).

Dig, dig Ruddy

 

[Boston1]

trolling me again? Well, for the last 700 years the ottomans who controlled the land didn't have a Palestine or Palestinians in any of their records or maps.

Wait a minute.

Thats a very recently doctored map. As in your own non verifiable link/video shows nothing previous to about 1875 ish. Which is very modern history and exactly what Roudy is saying

 

[montelatici]

So, notwithstanding the evidence to the contrary, we have confirmed one of the demonstrably false claims of the Zionists vis-a-vis the Palestinians. The claim that the Palestinians don't exist.

 

[Hollie]

trolling me again? Well, for the last 700 years the ottomans who controlled the land didn't have a Palestine or Palestinians in any of their records or maps.

Wait a minute.

Thats a very recently doctored map. As in your own non verifiable link/video shows nothing previous to about 1875 ish. Which is very modern history and exactly what Roudy is saying

It's another fraud that Monty tried to perpetrate.


Afternoon Map: Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

A map produced by the Arab invaders / colonizers.

 

[Boston1]

trolling me again? Well, for the last 700 years the ottomans who controlled the land didn't have a Palestine or Palestinians in any of their records or maps.

Wait a minute.

Thats a very recently doctored map. As in your own non verifiable link/video shows nothing previous to about 1875 ish. Which is very modern history and exactly what Roudy is saying

It's another fraud that Monty tried to perpetrate.


Afternoon Map: Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

A map produced by the Arab invaders / colonizers.

Bingo. I'll have to include it in the false claims against Israel thread unless they can come up with examples from say 1300 to say 1900 with everything being in the last 30 years or so hardly counting as representative of the entire period

 

[Roudy]

So, notwithstanding the evidence to the contrary, we have confirmed one of the demonstrably false claims of the Zionists vis-a-vis the Palestinians. The claim that the Palestinians don't exist.

What are you blabbering again? You presented evidence that refuted your claims.

There hasn't been a Palestine or Palestinian for the last 700 years of the Ottoman Empire.


Let us hear what other Arabs have said:


"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".

- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -


"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".

- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -


"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".

- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -


Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:

"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".

 

[Roudy]

trolling me again? Well, for the last 700 years the ottomans who controlled the land didn't have a Palestine or Palestinians in any of their records or maps.

Wait a minute.

Thats a very recently doctored map. As in your own non verifiable link/video shows nothing previous to about 1875 ish. Which is very modern history and exactly what Roudy is saying

It's another fraud that Monty tried to perpetrate.


Afternoon Map: Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

A map produced by the Arab invaders / colonizers.

Which, actually refutes his claims!

 

[montelatici]

Nothing refutes my claims that the Palestinian people exist. All the maps refer to Palestine starting from when the Romans named it Palestine after the pre-Jew name for the place. The Romans were very clever people and knew the Jews were a fraud. They took the pre-Jewish Egyptian name for the land (also used by the Greeks) and Latinized it.

It is your claim that the Palestinian do not exist, that is the usual Zionist propaganda. And, the subject of this thread.

 

[Roudy]

What's hard to understand, knucklehead? The Ottomans didn't recognize an area named Palestine and people as "Palestinians" for the last 700 years of their rule. Period, end of story.

Palestinian is a recent invention.

Keep digging.

 

[Billo_Really]

The term palestine is extremely difficult to find in history. I only know of a few specific uses of the term until you get to the British mandate period.

Which would lend support to the idea that neither, who would become the Syrians, or the Ottomans themselves distinguished this area as a separate entity or even called it palestine

It doesn't matter what name you call the area; all that matters is there's an indigenous population of Arabs living there for the past 2000 years.

 

[Roudy]

So the term Palestine and Palestinian are a hoax.

Thank you for clarifying that.

 

[montelatici]

trolling me again? Well, for the last 700 years the ottomans who controlled the land didn't have a Palestine or Palestinians in any of their records or maps.

Wait a minute.

Thats a very recently doctored map. As in your own non verifiable link/video shows nothing previous to about 1875 ish. Which is very modern history and exactly what Roudy is saying

It's another fraud that Monty tried to perpetrate.


Afternoon Map: Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

A map produced by the Arab invaders / colonizers.

Bingo. I'll have to include it in the false claims against Israel thread unless they can come up with examples from say 1300 to say 1900 with everything being in the last 30 years or so hardly counting as representative of the entire period

The Hasbara Fellow happily ignoring the 1331 Ottoman Military map and the various maps from the 1800s.

 

[Roudy]

trolling me again? Well, for the last 700 years the ottomans who controlled the land didn't have a Palestine or Palestinians in any of their records or maps.

Wait a minute.

Thats a very recently doctored map. As in your own non verifiable link/video shows nothing previous to about 1875 ish. Which is very modern history and exactly what Roudy is saying

It's another fraud that Monty tried to perpetrate.


Afternoon Map: Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

A map produced by the Arab invaders / colonizers.

Bingo. I'll have to include it in the false claims against Israel thread unless they can come up with examples from say 1300 to say 1900 with everything being in the last 30 years or so hardly counting as representative of the entire period

The Hasbara Fellow happily ignoring the 1331 Ottoman Military map and the various maps from the 1800s.

Get over it dipstick, your own site very clearly states that the Ottomans did not recognize a Palestine or Palestinians for the last 700. It was all Syria or Southern Syria to them. Even Arabs leaders acknowledged that.

Dig....

 

[montelatici]

Wait a minute.

Thats a very recently doctored map. As in your own non verifiable link/video shows nothing previous to about 1875 ish. Which is very modern history and exactly what Roudy is saying

It's another fraud that Monty tried to perpetrate.


Afternoon Map: Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

A map produced by the Arab invaders / colonizers.

Bingo. I'll have to include it in the false claims against Israel thread unless they can come up with examples from say 1300 to say 1900 with everything being in the last 30 years or so hardly counting as representative of the entire period

The Hasbara Fellow happily ignoring the 1331 Ottoman Military map and the various maps from the 1800s.

Get over it dipstick, your own site very clearly states that the Ottomans did not recognize a Palestine or Palestinians for the last 700. It was all Syria or Southern Syria to them. Even Arabs leaders acknowledged that.

Dig....

Let us go over it again from the site you refer to:

"The first map in this collection was published in Filastin Risalesi, an official publication of the Ottoman army intended to be used as an officer’s manual for the Palestine region.The manual itself is a social, topographical, demographic and economic survey of Palestine circa its time of publication, 1331 "

 

[Hollie]

Wait a minute.

Thats a very recently doctored map. As in your own non verifiable link/video shows nothing previous to about 1875 ish. Which is very modern history and exactly what Roudy is saying

It's another fraud that Monty tried to perpetrate.


Afternoon Map: Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

A map produced by the Arab invaders / colonizers.

Bingo. I'll have to include it in the false claims against Israel thread unless they can come up with examples from say 1300 to say 1900 with everything being in the last 30 years or so hardly counting as representative of the entire period

The Hasbara Fellow happily ignoring the 1331 Ottoman Military map and the various maps from the 1800s.

Get over it dipstick, your own site very clearly states that the Ottomans did not recognize a Palestine or Palestinians for the last 700. It was all Syria or Southern Syria to them. Even Arabs leaders acknowledged that.

Dig....

Let us go over it again from the site you refer to:

"The first map in this collection was published in Filastin Risalesi, an official publication of the Ottoman army intended to be used as an officer’s manual for the Palestine region.The manual itself is a social, topographical, demographic and economic survey of Palestine circa its time of publication, 1331 "

Fraud alert!

Monty is on another cut & paste tear so it's important to help the boy confront a reality based worldview.

Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

Afternoon Map: Ottoman and Arab Maps of Palestine, 1880s-1910s

 

[Boston1]

The term palestine is extremely difficult to find in history. I only know of a few specific uses of the term until you get to the British mandate period.

Which would lend support to the idea that neither, who would become the Syrians, or the Ottomans themselves distinguished this area as a separate entity or even called it palestine

It doesn't matter what name you call the area; all that matters is there's an indigenous population of Arabs living there for the past 2000 years.

OK so there we have it. So you are admitting that Roudy is right and that the Ottomans rarely if ever used the term palestine, instead considering the area as part of southern Syria. And you are now saying that it doesn't matter.

Brilliant argument

It most certainly matters since the entire conversant is in reference to the invention of a place called palestine in the early 20th century. In which case you just admitted the claim does appear to be accurate.

 

[Boston1]

The term palestine is extremely difficult to find in history. I only know of a few specific uses of the term until you get to the British mandate period.

Which would lend support to the idea that neither, who would become the Syrians, or the Ottomans themselves distinguished this area as a separate entity or even called it palestine

It doesn't matter what name you call the area; all that matters is there's an indigenous population of Arabs living there for the past 2000 years.

Oh and almost forgot. Arabs never really existed in the area until the Arab expansion in about the 7th century

see
HISTORY OF THE ARABS

If you intend on discussing history, you might want to brush up on it before making any more wildly false statements

 

[montelatici]

You mean Arabians surely. Arab is a cultural and linguistic group. The native people of the conquered areas remained the same people that were always in the area, and they adopted the Arabian language and aspects of Arabian culture. There were Arab Jews at one time.

"Isolated on a small niche of North Africa’s largest island, the Jews of Djerba have been called the last Arab Jews—and it is hardly an exaggeration. Across the rest of the Middle East, Jewish communities have been vanishing over the past half century, since the creation of Israel."


Tunisian Jewish Enclave Weathers Revolt, Terror; Can It Survive Girls’ Education?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The term palestine is extremely difficult to find in history. I only know of a few specific uses of the term until you get to the British mandate period.

Which would lend support to the idea that neither, who would become the Syrians, or the Ottomans themselves distinguished this area as a separate entity or even called it palestine

It doesn't matter what name you call the area; all that matters is there's an indigenous population of Arabs living there for the past 2000 years.

Good point. What were Native Americans called before it was America?

 

[Boston1]

The term palestine is extremely difficult to find in history. I only know of a few specific uses of the term until you get to the British mandate period.

Which would lend support to the idea that neither, who would become the Syrians, or the Ottomans themselves distinguished this area as a separate entity or even called it palestine

It doesn't matter what name you call the area; all that matters is there's an indigenous population of Arabs living there for the past 2000 years.

Good point. What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Ah the false analogy approach. Their were roughly 500 nations of first peoples living in the America's at the time of the European invasion. Their borders were less geographic in nature than todays consideration of modern borders. They saw land as not being owned but as they being stewards of the planet as a whole wherever they found themselves.