Do We Really Need Guns?

[jon_berzerk]

Well then what ARE you talking about? There are laws regarding using your firearm responsibly. You can't just go into a bar, get drunk and start shooting your weapon. You will be arrested. What other law would you like to see regarding this issue?

Passing a law that says it is legal to carry a firearm in a bar does not help society.

cobbling together "gun free zones" certainly has not helped society

Most of the civilized world is a gun free zone. You should get out and experience the civilized world.

It is? The cops don't carry guns? Ever?

In some places the cops don't carry guns except in exceptional circumstances.

however they certainly have access to them

 

[jon_berzerk]

Once again, we are not talking about public intoxication.

Well then what ARE you talking about? There are laws regarding using your firearm responsibly. You can't just go into a bar, get drunk and start shooting your weapon. You will be arrested. What other law would you like to see regarding this issue?

Passing a law that says it is legal to carry a firearm in a bar does not help society.

cobbling together "gun free zones" certainly has not helped society

Most of the civilized world is a gun free zone. You should get out and experience the civilized world.

I'm sure most of the citizens of those "gun free zones" wish to hell they hadn't given up their guns.

I know I won't be giving up mine. You however, can do as you please.

the anti liberty left has gone so far

as to indicate that they would go door to door

to take away your guns if push came to shove

 

[jon_berzerk]

Most of the civilized world is a gun free zone. You should get out and experience the civilized world.

And the victims of rape, murder, torture, beatings and robbery regret this every day...as they are attacked and assaulted by criminals who appreciate the fact that their victims can do nothing to stop them.....

i have still yet to see a list of the "most of the civilized world is a gun free zone" the leftist claims exist

i would wager that they are in fact not very gun free

 

[ChrisL]

or we say you can't be intoxicated and carry, and leave it up to the CCW person to either carry and stay sober, or not carry and drink. The issue is when a blanket restriction is made that doesn't prevent people of ill will from carrying, and only restricts those who would follow the law anyway.

Encourage it then. Have the police go into bars, frisk everyone and breathalize those with guns.

How about we do the same thing to everyone with a set of car keys in their pockets?

In many places, the bartender is responsible for serving a person if they drive drunk and are in an accident. If a drunk person shoots someone, should the bartender be responsible.

And yes, a drunk person's car keys should be confiscated from them. I did it when I was a bartender.

You cannot take a person's car keys just because they are in a bar, and you cannot take a person's gun either.

I did that once too.

Oh sure you did. I just love all the stories the online people lie about.

 

[NoNukes]

Encourage it then. Have the police go into bars, frisk everyone and breathalize those with guns.

How about we do the same thing to everyone with a set of car keys in their pockets?

In many places, the bartender is responsible for serving a person if they drive drunk and are in an accident. If a drunk person shoots someone, should the bartender be responsible.

And yes, a drunk person's car keys should be confiscated from them. I did it when I was a bartender.

You cannot take a person's car keys just because they are in a bar, and you cannot take a person's gun either.

I did that once too.

Oh sure you did. I just love all the stories the online people lie about.

It was on a Thanksgiving night in New York City att the Allstate Cafe on W72 St. The asshole was sitting next to me at the bar, he was very drunk and kept showing me the gun. The bartender was a friend and the cops were taking forever to get there. I took matters in hand until the police got there.

 

[NoNukes]

I know. But when they need them, they have them....don't they. And unlike here in the US, the majority of police in Europe are armed with submachine guns.

Like the Greater Manchester Police Department ...



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French

Italian

German

Spanish

Some cops do, but certainly not the majority. Cops in NYC carry them too.

 

[2aguy]

Check the trunk of police cars in the U.S., there is a good chance you will find an AR-15.....

 

[BullKurtz]

God created men, Sam Colt made them equal.

 

[RKMBrown]

cobbling together "gun free zones" certainly has not helped society

Most of the civilized world is a gun free zone. You should get out and experience the civilized world.

--LOL

it is prove it

If you think most of the world carries the violence mentality we do, you just ain't been outside, son...

Nonsense. We're no better or worse than other countries. If you disagree it's probably because you live in one of the democrat strong holds. Move to a republican strong hold and you'll see a helluva lot less violence and it will be more like Europe. Our problem isn't guns it's the people in democrat hell holes.

I *am* in a "Republican strong hold", genius, and that cockamamie theory has been tried before. It's profoundly irrelevant and has absolute Zero relationship to anything.

I'm not saying I've never been outside, I'm saying the Haiku Man hasn't. Hell I travel all over this country and others. That's exactly why I know better. Moreover the point wasn't about "violence"; it was about the presence of guns.

And part of that travel is in Europe, and I guarantee you, it bears no resemblance whatsoever to a "Republican strong hold".

Listen, retard, you said "violence mentality." You did not say "presence of guns." If you meant to say guns are for the most part illegal in Europe, well duh.

As for your accusation that location has no relationship to anything.. WTF kind of drugs did you take?

 

[Roadrunner]

Most of the civilized world is a gun free zone. You should get out and experience the civilized world.

--LOL

it is prove it

If you think most of the world carries the violence mentality we do, you just ain't been outside, son...

Nonsense. We're no better or worse than other countries. If you disagree it's probably because you live in one of the democrat strong holds. Move to a republican strong hold and you'll see a helluva lot less violence and it will be more like Europe. Our problem isn't guns it's the people in democrat hell holes.

I *am* in a "Republican strong hold", genius, and that cockamamie theory has been tried before. It's profoundly irrelevant and has absolute Zero relationship to anything.

I'm not saying I've never been outside, I'm saying the Haiku Man hasn't. Hell I travel all over this country and others. That's exactly why I know better. Moreover the point wasn't about "violence"; it was about the presence of guns.

And part of that travel is in Europe, and I guarantee you, it bears no resemblance whatsoever to a "Republican strong hold".

Listen, retard, you said "violence mentality." You did not say "presence of guns." If you meant to say guns are for the most part illegal in Europe, well duh.

As for your accusation that location has no relationship to anything.. WTF kind of drugs did you take?

Gun free Europe, where Jews lined up for trains to the extermination camps, because the authorities told them too.

FUCK THAT.

 

[Roadrunner]

God created men, Sam Colt made them equal.

Mornin' bro.

Expecting riots, I hear another black guy committed suicide by cop out there?

 

[RKMBrown]

Passing a law that says it is legal to carry a firearm in a bar does not help society.

cobbling together "gun free zones" certainly has not helped society

Most of the civilized world is a gun free zone. You should get out and experience the civilized world.

It is? The cops don't carry guns? Ever?

In some places the cops don't carry guns except in exceptional circumstances.

That is how it is here in Ireland. Could you imagine American cops patrolling without guns?

Yes. I could imagine it. I don't want it, but I could imagine it. I would however prefer it if more cops would act more like our employees than judge, jury, and executioner. Some folks appear to let the authority role go to their head.

 

[BullKurtz]

Mornin' bro.

Expecting riots, I hear another black guy committed suicide by cop out there?

Yep, our BLESSED diversity comes to light. Fool dealing dope out of an Escalade..cop approaches, perp runs, reaches into his waistband, gets capped....same shit, different day.

 

[PGreen]

The thing is, that America has far too many guns and not enough measures to keep them out of the wrong hands. Do you know, that gun violence has claimed more than 4,350 lives since January 1st (and killed or injured 475 children), a fact that is as mundane as it is grim. That's really horrible.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Well then what ARE you talking about? There are laws regarding using your firearm responsibly. You can't just go into a bar, get drunk and start shooting your weapon. You will be arrested. What other law would you like to see regarding this issue?

Passing a law that says it is legal to carry a firearm in a bar does not help society.

cobbling together "gun free zones" certainly has not helped society

Most of the civilized world is a gun free zone. You should get out and experience the civilized world.

I'm sure most of the citizens of those "gun free zones" wish to hell they hadn't given up their guns.

I know I won't be giving up mine. You however, can do as you please.

the anti liberty left has gone so far

as to indicate that they would go door to door

to take away your guns if push came to shove

Link, please.

 

[Roadrunner]

Mornin' bro.

Expecting riots, I hear another black guy committed suicide by cop out there?

Yep, our BLESSED diversity comes to light. Fool dealing dope out of an Escalade..cop approaches, perp runs, reaches into his waistband, gets capped....same shit, different day.

Another idiot shot pulling up his pants in order to run.

Thank God the style back in the day was tight Levis.

Running saved my ass more than once.

 

[2aguy]

Gun free Europe, where Jews lined up for trains to the extermination camps, because the authorities told them too.

If you add in murder by government in the statistics for Europe....you will find Europe has had far more murders, on average, than the United States....of course, the anti gunners will refuse to do that...since that is one of the reasons to have guns in the first place...when the government decided to murder a certain segment of it's civilian population....that is also my Reason #4 for owning guns....

 

[2aguy]

The thing is, that America has far too many guns and not enough measures to keep them out of the wrong hands. Do you know, that gun violence has claimed more than 4,350 lives since January 1st (and killed or injured 475 children), a fact that is as mundane as it is grim. That's really horrible.

Sorry, you'll have to show where you get those stats....the gun murder rate is about 8-9,000, and accidental deaths with guns is about, maybe, 6-700 each year with fewer than 100 children included in that total...

But if your stats for the year are correct....it still faces more good reasons to have guns than bad...for example....

310 million guns in the country....only 8-9,000 murders each year....80% are committed by gang members in inner cities putting the non gang gun murder rate at about 1,800, again, out of 310 million guns....

Each year, on average guns are used to save lives and stop violent criminal attacks 1.6 million times a year...far more than the 8-9,000 gun murders each year....

Using a gun is the most effective way to stop a rape....

If you go to extranosalley they have a counter up from the CDC that lists the deaths by gun in the country...and then they will show deaths by traffic accident, and suffocation and falling...and pools.....

The counter on gun deaths at Extranos alley....

Extrano s Alley a gun blog The history of gun control is perfectly clear. Gun control enables killers.

and deaths by falling....since Jan. 1, 2014...19,314

Deaths by traffice since Jan1 2014....42,196

Deaths by poisoning since Jan 1, 2014....34,564


So gun murder deaths are way below almost all other ways of being killed....

 

[2aguy]

The thing is, that America has far too many guns and not enough measures to keep them out of the wrong hands.

Out of 310 million guns in circulation, only 8-9,000 murders are committed with guns each year....and most of the murders, 80% are committed by gang members in small, multi block areas in cities controlled by democrats....

So worry law abiding citizens with guns....take care of violent, criminal drug gangs in democrat cities....stop voting for democrats and you will save more lives....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Most of the civilized world is a gun free zone.

This is, of course, either a lie, or abject ignorance..