Ed Snowden is a hero to Russian spies

[OohPooPahDoo]

Notice the part "and effects" effects also means content, Contents of your phone email or other electornic communications would be a protected right

That would depend on the specifics of how those communications were transmitted and which parties were involved. The case law is quite complex, and best left to judges, juries and lawyers - not arrogant little shits like Ed Snowden.

No it doesn't matter who the American citizen is. the content of your communication would be the affects part of the 4th amendment which is a protected right.

It does if the communication is with a foreign person and the foreign person is not in the U.S.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That would depend on the specifics of how those communications were transmitted and which parties were involved. The case law is quite complex, and best left to judges, juries and lawyers - not arrogant little shits like Ed Snowden.

No it doesn't matter who the American citizen is. the content of your communication would be the affects part of the 4th amendment which is a protected right.

It does if the communication is with a foreign person and the foreign person is not in the U.S.

We aren't talking about the NSA tracking calls to foreign person's we're talking about the NSA tracking calling to American Citizens

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

No it doesn't matter who the American citizen is. the content of your communication would be the affects part of the 4th amendment which is a protected right.

It does if the communication is with a foreign person and the foreign person is not in the U.S.

We aren't talking about the NSA tracking calls to foreign person's we're talking about the NSA tracking calling to American Citizens

Are we talking about "tracking" calls or listening to them? The phone company has always been the owner of its own records. Back in the day before you could dial a number you would call up your friendly operator and she would put the call through for you, and you would have been a fool to expect that she always erased the knowledge of who you called and when from her mind. Its no different now. When you dial a number, you are telling the phone company who you want to talk to. If they record that fact it is their property.


Ed Snowden's release of information that citizens are being illegally spied on doesn't justify his release of additional information of legal spying activities - such as monitoring phone calls with foreign suspects. Do you honestly think Americans should be able to make a call to Hugo Chavez or a senior member of Al Qaeda outside of the U.S. and expect total privacy from the NSA?

That's the problem - a low level shit like Snowden is making legal decisions for us. Evidence that the FISA court has ruled against the NSA in the past is only proof that there is a system in place to check the NSA; I didn't vote for him and no one I voted for appointed him to any kind of position in the judiciary system, he's not the one with the legal authority to interpret law.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It does if the communication is with a foreign person and the foreign person is not in the U.S.

We aren't talking about the NSA tracking calls to foreign person's we're talking about the NSA tracking calling to American Citizens

Are we talking about "tracking" calls or listening to them? The phone company has always been the owner of its own records. Back in the day before you could dial a number you would call up your friendly operator and she would put the call through for you, and you would have been a fool to expect that she always erased the knowledge of who you called and when from her mind. Its no different now. When you dial a number, you are telling the phone company who you want to talk to. If they record that fact it is their property.


Ed Snowden's release of information that citizens are being illegally spied on doesn't justify his release of additional information of legal spying activities - such as monitoring phone calls with foreign suspects. Do you honestly think Americans should be able to make a call to Hugo Chavez or a senior member of Al Qaeda outside of the U.S. and expect total privacy from the NSA?

That's the problem - a low level shit like Snowden is making legal decisions for us. Evidence that the FISA court has ruled against the NSA in the past is only proof that there is a system in place to check the NSA; I didn't vote for him and no one I voted for appointed him to any kind of position in the judiciary system, he's not the one with the legal authority to interpret law.

We are talking about Snowden telling the American people that the federal government is keeping track of their conversation he's a hero to All Americans that aren't on the government tit.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

We get it. You equate private entities who you signed contract with, the same as government entitling itself to information it has no authority to take (stealing, theft..you know? No, you dont. I get that). The government is your friend. it's here to help. That's why it is a necessary evil. To help you. To help you track yourself and your personal effects and papers. If they just hold it all for you, then you'll have it when you need it most.

You love government and anyone who attempts to expose govt. overreach is a traitor.

We get it. You can let it go now. No one is being swayed by this 3 thread Poop diatribe.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

We aren't talking about the NSA tracking calls to foreign person's we're talking about the NSA tracking calling to American Citizens

Are we talking about "tracking" calls or listening to them? The phone company has always been the owner of its own records. Back in the day before you could dial a number you would call up your friendly operator and she would put the call through for you, and you would have been a fool to expect that she always erased the knowledge of who you called and when from her mind. Its no different now. When you dial a number, you are telling the phone company who you want to talk to. If they record that fact it is their property.


Ed Snowden's release of information that citizens are being illegally spied on doesn't justify his release of additional information of legal spying activities - such as monitoring phone calls with foreign suspects. Do you honestly think Americans should be able to make a call to Hugo Chavez or a senior member of Al Qaeda outside of the U.S. and expect total privacy from the NSA?

That's the problem - a low level shit like Snowden is making legal decisions for us. Evidence that the FISA court has ruled against the NSA in the past is only proof that there is a system in place to check the NSA; I didn't vote for him and no one I voted for appointed him to any kind of position in the judiciary system, he's not the one with the legal authority to interpret law.

We are talking about Snowden telling the American people that the federal government is keeping track of their conversation he's a hero to All Americans that aren't on the government tit.

And what is he for defecting to Russia and handing over other secrets to China and Russia?

 

[Moonglow]

They love Snowden sooo much they won't let him leave and he is under constant surveillance

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Are we talking about "tracking" calls or listening to them? The phone company has always been the owner of its own records. Back in the day before you could dial a number you would call up your friendly operator and she would put the call through for you, and you would have been a fool to expect that she always erased the knowledge of who you called and when from her mind. Its no different now. When you dial a number, you are telling the phone company who you want to talk to. If they record that fact it is their property.


Ed Snowden's release of information that citizens are being illegally spied on doesn't justify his release of additional information of legal spying activities - such as monitoring phone calls with foreign suspects. Do you honestly think Americans should be able to make a call to Hugo Chavez or a senior member of Al Qaeda outside of the U.S. and expect total privacy from the NSA?

That's the problem - a low level shit like Snowden is making legal decisions for us. Evidence that the FISA court has ruled against the NSA in the past is only proof that there is a system in place to check the NSA; I didn't vote for him and no one I voted for appointed him to any kind of position in the judiciary system, he's not the one with the legal authority to interpret law.

We are talking about Snowden telling the American people that the federal government is keeping track of their conversation he's a hero to All Americans that aren't on the government tit.

And what is he for defecting to Russia and handing over other secrets to China and Russia?

Alright! Fantasyland, here we come! You know they had every opportunity. Just like I had the opportunity to fuck Beyonce. SHE WAS IN THE ROOM. It almost happened.

 

[Esmeralda]

They love Snowden sooo much they won't let him leave and he is under constant surveillance

Soooooo.......ironic!

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

They love Snowden sooo much they won't let him leave and he is under constant surveillance

Is it true that he is not allowed to leave Russia? I hadn't heard that.

Perhaps the Russians feel he can find a higher bidder elsewhere?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Are we talking about "tracking" calls or listening to them? The phone company has always been the owner of its own records. Back in the day before you could dial a number you would call up your friendly operator and she would put the call through for you, and you would have been a fool to expect that she always erased the knowledge of who you called and when from her mind. Its no different now. When you dial a number, you are telling the phone company who you want to talk to. If they record that fact it is their property.


Ed Snowden's release of information that citizens are being illegally spied on doesn't justify his release of additional information of legal spying activities - such as monitoring phone calls with foreign suspects. Do you honestly think Americans should be able to make a call to Hugo Chavez or a senior member of Al Qaeda outside of the U.S. and expect total privacy from the NSA?

That's the problem - a low level shit like Snowden is making legal decisions for us. Evidence that the FISA court has ruled against the NSA in the past is only proof that there is a system in place to check the NSA; I didn't vote for him and no one I voted for appointed him to any kind of position in the judiciary system, he's not the one with the legal authority to interpret law.

We are talking about Snowden telling the American people that the federal government is keeping track of their conversation he's a hero to All Americans that aren't on the government tit.

And what is he for defecting to Russia and handing over other secrets to China and Russia?

What secrets did you hand over? And be very specific
OH and staying here in America with the way the media loves obama? He did the right thing by leaving, can't make that dictator look bad his sheeple would have killed Snowden..

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

We are talking about Snowden telling the American people that the federal government is keeping track of their conversation he's a hero to All Americans that aren't on the government tit.

And what is he for defecting to Russia and handing over other secrets to China and Russia?

What secrets did you hand over? And be very specific
OH and staying here in America with the way the media loves obama? He did the right thing by leaving, can't make that dictator look bad his sheeple would have killed Snowden..

They're secrets. Obviously we don't know their content. Duh. He's obviously got something Russia wants otherwise they would not have allowed him to defect to their side!


Justice will not happen until a jury gets to hear the evidence for and against the defector, presented in an open trial.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

the evidence you claim is secret needs to be expressed in a an open trial? What a fucking baffoon you are, Dullard.

 

[Katzndogz]

They love Snowden sooo much they won't let him leave and he is under constant surveillance

Is it true that he is not allowed to leave Russia? I hadn't heard that.

Perhaps the Russians feel he can find a higher bidder elsewhere?

If he can't leave Russia, it's not because Russia won't let him but because obama cancelled his passport.

Of course it's just like liberals to turn that into Russia keeping Snowden prisoner. When Snowden gets Russian citizenship he will get a Russian passport too. Although he has no reason to ever come back to this oppressive country.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And what is he for defecting to Russia and handing over other secrets to China and Russia?

What secrets did you hand over? And be very specific
OH and staying here in America with the way the media loves obama? He did the right thing by leaving, can't make that dictator look bad his sheeple would have killed Snowden..

They're secrets. Obviously we don't know their content. Duh. He's obviously got something Russia wants otherwise they would not have allowed him to defect to their side!


Justice will not happen until a jury gets to hear the evidence for and against the defector, presented in an open trial.

Come on now you can do better than that. What secrets has Snowden revealed?

 

[Katzndogz]

Did Snowden give Russia secrets more or less secret than obama did by having Russian inspectors go over our missile defense systems?

Russians Inspect Missile Defense Base in California | Washington Free Beacon

Rep. Mo Brooks (R., Ala.) revealed in May during congressional testimony from Vice Adm. James D. Syring, director of the Pentagon’s Missile Defense Agency, that the administration has sought to declassify sensitive missile defense technology that could be shared with Moscow.

As a result, Brooks drafted legislation that would prohibit the Pentagon from releasing classified missile defense know-how to the Russians, specifically advanced hit-to-kill missile defense interceptor technology.

Brooks said at the time that the admiral’s comments were “confirmation that the administration is actively discussing the declassification of our life-saving missile defense technology [and] further affirms the importance of enacting legislation to prevent our critical weapons technology from falling into unreliable hands.”

 

[aaronleland]

You love government and anyone who attempts to expose govt. overreach is a traitor.

That probably isn't true. I'd bet money he was screaming "bloody murder" over the Patriot Act. It isn't a "statist" thing. It's a partisan hack thing.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

They love Snowden sooo much they won't let him leave and he is under constant surveillance

Is it true that he is not allowed to leave Russia? I hadn't heard that.

Perhaps the Russians feel he can find a higher bidder elsewhere?

If he can't leave Russia, it's not because Russia won't let him but because obama cancelled his passport.

We'll take him back anyway!

Of course it's just like liberals to turn that into Russia keeping Snowden prisoner. When Snowden gets Russian citizenship he will get a Russian passport too. Although he has no reason to ever come back to this oppressive country.

So when are you moving to Russia?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Did Snowden give Russia secrets more or less secret than obama did by having Russian inspectors go over our missile defense systems?

START II was ratified by the Senate, was it not? Yes, it was. By a vote of 71 to 26.

Did the Senate ratify Snowden's plan to defect to Russia with a pile of national secrets?

 

[aaronleland]

Did Snowden give Russia secrets more or less secret than obama did by having Russian inspectors go over our missile defense systems?

START II was ratified by the Senate, was it not? Yes, it was. By a vote of 71 to 26.

Did the Senate ratify Snowden's plan to defect to Russia with a pile of national secrets?

You have yet to prove that he defected to Russia with a pile of national secrets. You still haven't backed up your assertion that he gave Russia or China any information. I think you are talking out of your ass.