Ending Individual Liberty

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The Founders, Classical Liberals...or, what would be called conservatives, today, memorialized our birthright in the Constitution.
As impossible as is it for me to believe, the majority of Americans seem to have missed the fact that the liberty, the birthright of Americans, has been stolen.


1. Anxious citizens gathered outside the Constitutional Convention of 1787 (Independence Hall) when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Benjamin Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”


We couldn't

2. Don McLean explained it as well as anyone...

"Now the halftime air was sweet perfume
While the sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance

'Cause the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?"



3. You see, the German view of government took over, and the adherents of Hegel, known as Progressives, took control of the courts, specifically the Roosevelt Court, .....and counterfeited the law and the Constitution.
In short, Progressives Justices announced that the federal government could regulate any activity of any sort that it felt like regulating.
So much for 'limited constitutional government.




4. A few examples of freedom slipping away:
a. Nebbia v. New York,291 U.S. 502(1934) A little guy named Leo Nebbia, a shopkeeper, sold two quarts of milk and a five cent loaf of bread for eighteen cents. This, after New York's Milk Control Board had set a price of nine cents a quart for the milk!


" Nebbia argued that price controls were an unconstitutional interference with the freedom of contractincluded within theDue Process Clauseof the14thAmendment.... The US Supreme Court found that government can interfere withfreedom of contract only to serve a valid police purpose of protecting public health, public safety or public morals. In this case, the Court found that milk is essential to good health,..." Nebbia v. New York | The Law School Guys


"He was guilty of giving his customers a good deal, cutting into his own profit margin." Charles Murray, "By The People"


That was 1934.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.
 
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(2) They would have turned the far right conservatives of today into the street as rabble rousers.

seriously..., are you trying for the clown post of the day ??

they would be very proud of todays Conservatives trying to turn back the surging tide of unpatriotic liberfools and their agenda of ending freedom as we once knew it.
:up:
 
And another case that hammered a nail in the coffin of individual liberty....

4b. United States v. Carolene Products Company,304 U.S. 144(1938)
The company manufactured a product called filled milk(skimmed milk compounded with any fat or oil other than milk fat, so as to resemble milk or cream).

The previous term, the Court had dramatically enlarged the activities considered to be in, or affect, interstate commerce. It had also altered its settled jurisprudence in the area of substantive due process, the doctrine dealing with rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution. These changes meant that many New Deal programs that the Court would previously have struck down as unconstitutional would henceforth be found constitutional.

A closer look at the case will show that the real issue was that the company produced a product that cost seven cents a can, less than the ten cents a can for the standard condensed milk, and the dairy lobby got Congress to pass a law that prevented Carolene Products from getting its creation to market.


The claim was that that the product was unhealthy....a false claim. The product can be found in most supermarkets today.
"The A-Z Encyclopedia of Food Controversies and the Law, Volume 1,"By Elizabeth Marie Williams, Stephanie J. Carter

Crony capitalism in league with the judiciary.....that's what happens when the Constitution is ignored.


That was 1938.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Founders, Classical Liberals....or what would be called conservatives, today, stood for individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, so saith the documents that memorialized the creation of this once great nation.



As you can see, " States v. Carolene Products Company," was the very antithesis of a "free market" and an affront to "limited constitutional government."


Who did I say was President?
Oh.....right.....Joseph Stalin's BFF.
 
4. A few examples of freedom slipping away:
a. Nebbia v. New York,291 U.S. 502(1934) A little guy named Leo Nebbia, a shopkeeper, sold two quarts of milk and a five cent loaf of bread for eighteen cents. This, after New York's Milk Control Board had set a price of nine cents a quart for the milk!


" Nebbia argued that price controls were an unconstitutional interference with the freedom of contractincluded within theDue Process Clauseof the14thAmendment.... The US Supreme Court found that government can interfere withfreedom of contract only to serve a valid police purpose of protecting public health, public safety or public morals. In this case, the Court found that milk is essential to good health,..." Nebbia v. New York | The Law School Guys


"He was guilty of giving his customers a good deal, cutting into his own profit margin." Charles Murray, "By The People"


That was 1934.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

The majority opinion in Nebbia was held by 4 Hoover appointees and 1 Wilson appointee.

You should read the decision.
 
The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

So in an odd way you've finally grasped the fact that the Supremacy Clause trumps the 10th Amendment.
 
4. A few examples of freedom slipping away:
a. Nebbia v. New York,291 U.S. 502(1934) A little guy named Leo Nebbia, a shopkeeper, sold two quarts of milk and a five cent loaf of bread for eighteen cents. This, after New York's Milk Control Board had set a price of nine cents a quart for the milk!


" Nebbia argued that price controls were an unconstitutional interference with the freedom of contractincluded within theDue Process Clauseof the14thAmendment.... The US Supreme Court found that government can interfere withfreedom of contract only to serve a valid police purpose of protecting public health, public safety or public morals. In this case, the Court found that milk is essential to good health,..." Nebbia v. New York | The Law School Guys


"He was guilty of giving his customers a good deal, cutting into his own profit margin." Charles Murray, "By The People"


That was 1934.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

The majority opinion in Nebbia was held by 4 Hoover appointees and 1 Wilson appointee.

You should read the decision.



Of course, your post has nothing to do with the fact posted: the decision was counter to the United States Constitution.
You should read the Constitution.

The Supreme Court was co-opted, cowed, by the megalomaniac who was President at the time.....
...what was his name again?
 
The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

So in an odd way you've finally grasped the fact that the Supremacy Clause trumps the 10th Amendment.



You don't know what the 'Supremacy Clause' states is the 'law of the land'???



Figures.
 
The Founders, most of them, thought of liberty differently. (1) Many of them were tied into slavery, either by ownership or by business. (2) They would have turned the far right conservatives of today into the street as rabble rousers. (3) They would have been horrified by the cost materially, humanly, and financially of the Iraq War. (4) They would not let a North Korean adoptee write a blog but instead would have given her steady employment sweeping the journalism shop.
 
Bitch, you don't know shit about Hegel. I am beginning to think that you are merely some sort of parody account, purporting to be a conservative but intending to act like a complete idiot in an attempt to lampoon real conservatives, for nobody can be as fucking stupid as you. Anyone who is as stupid as you pretend to be is in a home somewhere restrained and medicated.

So, good one, you rotten **** stain. It is clear that you are a leftist **** in disguise. Now fuck off!

This was an enjoyable thread, until this post......
 
Buzz, you have been reported for flaming with no content. PC may be all the things you said, and I could add more, but let's stay on topic.
 
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4. A few examples of freedom slipping away:
a. Nebbia v. New York,291 U.S. 502(1934) A little guy named Leo Nebbia, a shopkeeper, sold two quarts of milk and a five cent loaf of bread for eighteen cents. This, after New York's Milk Control Board had set a price of nine cents a quart for the milk!


" Nebbia argued that price controls were an unconstitutional interference with the freedom of contractincluded within theDue Process Clauseof the14thAmendment.... The US Supreme Court found that government can interfere withfreedom of contract only to serve a valid police purpose of protecting public health, public safety or public morals. In this case, the Court found that milk is essential to good health,..." Nebbia v. New York | The Law School Guys


"He was guilty of giving his customers a good deal, cutting into his own profit margin." Charles Murray, "By The People"


That was 1934.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

The majority opinion in Nebbia was held by 4 Hoover appointees and 1 Wilson appointee.

You should read the decision.



Of course, your post has nothing to do with the fact posted: the decision was counter to the United States Constitution.
You should read the Constitution.

The Supreme Court was co-opted, cowed, by the megalomaniac who was President at the time.....
...what was his name again?


FDR had nothing to do with the decision. It was the Hoover court that decided it. And no it does not go against the Constitution.
 
The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

So in an odd way you've finally grasped the fact that the Supremacy Clause trumps the 10th Amendment.



You don't know what the 'Supremacy Clause' states is the 'law of the land'???



Figures.

English please.
 
4. A few examples of freedom slipping away:
a. Nebbia v. New York,291 U.S. 502(1934) A little guy named Leo Nebbia, a shopkeeper, sold two quarts of milk and a five cent loaf of bread for eighteen cents. This, after New York's Milk Control Board had set a price of nine cents a quart for the milk!


" Nebbia argued that price controls were an unconstitutional interference with the freedom of contractincluded within theDue Process Clauseof the14thAmendment.... The US Supreme Court found that government can interfere withfreedom of contract only to serve a valid police purpose of protecting public health, public safety or public morals. In this case, the Court found that milk is essential to good health,..." Nebbia v. New York | The Law School Guys


"He was guilty of giving his customers a good deal, cutting into his own profit margin." Charles Murray, "By The People"


That was 1934.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

The majority opinion in Nebbia was held by 4 Hoover appointees and 1 Wilson appointee.

You should read the decision.



Of course, your post has nothing to do with the fact posted: the decision was counter to the United States Constitution.
You should read the Constitution.

The Supreme Court was co-opted, cowed, by the megalomaniac who was President at the time.....
...what was his name again?

The Constitution says the freedom of the press cannot be abridged, and yet we have laws against child pornography.

What does your Constitution say about denying child pornographers protection under the First Amendment?
 
4. A few examples of freedom slipping away:
a. Nebbia v. New York,291 U.S. 502(1934) A little guy named Leo Nebbia, a shopkeeper, sold two quarts of milk and a five cent loaf of bread for eighteen cents. This, after New York's Milk Control Board had set a price of nine cents a quart for the milk!


" Nebbia argued that price controls were an unconstitutional interference with the freedom of contractincluded within theDue Process Clauseof the14thAmendment.... The US Supreme Court found that government can interfere withfreedom of contract only to serve a valid police purpose of protecting public health, public safety or public morals. In this case, the Court found that milk is essential to good health,..." Nebbia v. New York | The Law School Guys


"He was guilty of giving his customers a good deal, cutting into his own profit margin." Charles Murray, "By The People"


That was 1934.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

The majority opinion in Nebbia was held by 4 Hoover appointees and 1 Wilson appointee.

You should read the decision.



Of course, your post has nothing to do with the fact posted: the decision was counter to the United States Constitution.
You should read the Constitution.

The Supreme Court was co-opted, cowed, by the megalomaniac who was President at the time.....
...what was his name again?


FDR had nothing to do with the decision. It was the Hoover court that decided it. And no it does not go against the Constitution.


Now you're sounding more and more like a fool.
 
4. A few examples of freedom slipping away:
a. Nebbia v. New York,291 U.S. 502(1934) A little guy named Leo Nebbia, a shopkeeper, sold two quarts of milk and a five cent loaf of bread for eighteen cents. This, after New York's Milk Control Board had set a price of nine cents a quart for the milk!


" Nebbia argued that price controls were an unconstitutional interference with the freedom of contractincluded within theDue Process Clauseof the14thAmendment.... The US Supreme Court found that government can interfere withfreedom of contract only to serve a valid police purpose of protecting public health, public safety or public morals. In this case, the Court found that milk is essential to good health,..." Nebbia v. New York | The Law School Guys


"He was guilty of giving his customers a good deal, cutting into his own profit margin." Charles Murray, "By The People"


That was 1934.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

The majority opinion in Nebbia was held by 4 Hoover appointees and 1 Wilson appointee.

You should read the decision.



Of course, your post has nothing to do with the fact posted: the decision was counter to the United States Constitution.
You should read the Constitution.

The Supreme Court was co-opted, cowed, by the megalomaniac who was President at the time.....
...what was his name again?

The Constitution says the freedom of the press cannot be abridged, and yet we have laws against child pornography.

What does your Constitution say about denying child pornographers protection under the First Amendment?




Americans should never forget that we have people like you to thank for our loss of individual liberty.

Never.
 
4. A few examples of freedom slipping away:
a. Nebbia v. New York,291 U.S. 502(1934) A little guy named Leo Nebbia, a shopkeeper, sold two quarts of milk and a five cent loaf of bread for eighteen cents. This, after New York's Milk Control Board had set a price of nine cents a quart for the milk!


" Nebbia argued that price controls were an unconstitutional interference with the freedom of contractincluded within theDue Process Clauseof the14thAmendment.... The US Supreme Court found that government can interfere withfreedom of contract only to serve a valid police purpose of protecting public health, public safety or public morals. In this case, the Court found that milk is essential to good health,..." Nebbia v. New York | The Law School Guys


"He was guilty of giving his customers a good deal, cutting into his own profit margin." Charles Murray, "By The People"


That was 1934.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

The majority opinion in Nebbia was held by 4 Hoover appointees and 1 Wilson appointee.

You should read the decision.



Of course, your post has nothing to do with the fact posted: the decision was counter to the United States Constitution.
You should read the Constitution.

The Supreme Court was co-opted, cowed, by the megalomaniac who was President at the time.....
...what was his name again?


FDR had nothing to do with the decision. It was the Hoover court that decided it. And no it does not go against the Constitution.


Now you're sounding more and more like a fool.
The appointees that made the majority were not appointed by FDR. Back it up, PC.
 
How about if you gave your neighbor a cup of sugar.....and the federal government claimed that was under their purview as interstate commerce?

Couldn't happen?

Did.


4c. "Wickard v. Filburn,317 U.S. 111(1942), was aUnited States Supreme Courtdecision that dramatically increased the power of the federal government to regulate economic activity. A farmer,Roscoe Filburn, was growing wheat for on-farm consumption in Ohio. The U.S. government had established limits on wheat production based on acreage owned by a farmer, in order to drive up wheat prices during theGreat Depression, and Filburn was growing more than the limits permitted.

He maintained, however, that the excess wheat was produced for his private consumption on his own farm. Since it never entered commerce at all, much less interstate commerce, he argued that it was not a proper subject of federal regulation under the Commerce Clause."
Wickard v. Filburn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


That was 1942.....who was the monarch...er, President?



""[Y]ou wonder why anyone would make the mistake of calling it the Commerce Clause instead of the 'Hey, you -can-do-whatever-you-feel-like Clause?'
Judge Alex Kozinki, Chief Judge of the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit





Such is the result of Progressive governance.....

Progressives, the spawn of Hegel, who also brought you Karl Marx, Adolph Hitler, and Joseph Stalin.
 
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4. A few examples of freedom slipping away:
a. Nebbia v. New York,291 U.S. 502(1934) A little guy named Leo Nebbia, a shopkeeper, sold two quarts of milk and a five cent loaf of bread for eighteen cents. This, after New York's Milk Control Board had set a price of nine cents a quart for the milk!


" Nebbia argued that price controls were an unconstitutional interference with the freedom of contractincluded within theDue Process Clauseof the14thAmendment.... The US Supreme Court found that government can interfere withfreedom of contract only to serve a valid police purpose of protecting public health, public safety or public morals. In this case, the Court found that milk is essential to good health,..." Nebbia v. New York | The Law School Guys


"He was guilty of giving his customers a good deal, cutting into his own profit margin." Charles Murray, "By The People"


That was 1934.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

The majority opinion in Nebbia was held by 4 Hoover appointees and 1 Wilson appointee.

You should read the decision.



Of course, your post has nothing to do with the fact posted: the decision was counter to the United States Constitution.
You should read the Constitution.

The Supreme Court was co-opted, cowed, by the megalomaniac who was President at the time.....
...what was his name again?


FDR had nothing to do with the decision. It was the Hoover court that decided it. And no it does not go against the Constitution.


Now you're sounding more and more like a fool.

Namecalling devoid of substance is a sure sign you've lost the argument.
 
4. A few examples of freedom slipping away:
a. Nebbia v. New York,291 U.S. 502(1934) A little guy named Leo Nebbia, a shopkeeper, sold two quarts of milk and a five cent loaf of bread for eighteen cents. This, after New York's Milk Control Board had set a price of nine cents a quart for the milk!


" Nebbia argued that price controls were an unconstitutional interference with the freedom of contractincluded within theDue Process Clauseof the14thAmendment.... The US Supreme Court found that government can interfere withfreedom of contract only to serve a valid police purpose of protecting public health, public safety or public morals. In this case, the Court found that milk is essential to good health,..." Nebbia v. New York | The Law School Guys


"He was guilty of giving his customers a good deal, cutting into his own profit margin." Charles Murray, "By The People"


That was 1934.....who was the monarch...er, President?



The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Contract Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It doesn't say 'unless the government decides otherwise,' does it.

The majority opinion in Nebbia was held by 4 Hoover appointees and 1 Wilson appointee.

You should read the decision.



Of course, your post has nothing to do with the fact posted: the decision was counter to the United States Constitution.
You should read the Constitution.

The Supreme Court was co-opted, cowed, by the megalomaniac who was President at the time.....
...what was his name again?

The Constitution says the freedom of the press cannot be abridged, and yet we have laws against child pornography.

What does your Constitution say about denying child pornographers protection under the First Amendment?




Americans should never forget that we have people like you to thank for our loss of individual liberty.

Never.

Because I understand the merit of not allowing child pornographers protection under the 1st Amendment,

I'm the villain?

Whoa, that says so much about you.
 

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