Tommy Tainant
Diamond Member
The elected Ukrainian government was ousted by American backed fascists. They may not have been nice guys but they had been elected.
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Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.You said that we should not consider who was the first, so we can't base on that. Try show other arguments up. Yes, there is one more reason to fight ukraine - because they threaten Russia and try to be member of NATO, which since the collapse of USSR is trying to get closer and closer to russian borders. This is an aggressive politics, which needs to have an answer. Also it is fair to fight country which is willing to have a war with you, is it not?really? If so, you should not worry if Russia captures Ukraine, cause who would care about what was there 1 or 5 years ago.
Right, so the Ukraines are fighting back to take the land you are stealing from them. We should we not support them? You expect to support stealing the land from them, right?
How about the Crimean Tatars that lived in Crimea before the Soviets stole it from them, and murdered them?
Should we help them fight you to take back Crimea from you? After all, they were there first. Isn't that your argument that you want to take Ukraine?
There is no evidence that I've seen, that Ukraine PRIOR to the invasion of Russia, was trying to a member of NATO. They were trying to open more trade with the EU.
But they were NOT trying to be part of NATO.
*NOW*.... after you have bombed, fired shells, killed hundred of their people, and confiscated their land...> YEAH < ! They are trying to join NATO. ANYONE you do that to, is going to try and join NATO. *YOU* caused this. By MURDERING their daughters, and children, YEAH they want to join NATO now. Not a shock. Not a surprise.
If you do what you did to Ukraine, to any other neighboring country, they will ALL try and join NATO.
No, I'm not suggesting anything. You are. You are saying that because such and such a people lived in Ukraine over a hundred years ago, that you have a right to own Ukraine.
If that is the belief system you want to go by, then 90% of Russia today, needs to be turned over to others. Mongolia owned most of the Stepp, long before the 'Kievan Rus' people ever existed. You better start giving it all back eh? If you think that is the determining factor, then live up to your claims. Start returning the land to the Mongols. And China for that matter.
So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule
Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
"The Russian embargo has caused some 4.5 billion US Dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy; this is the estimated value of lost exports.
The EU wishes to solve the crisis in Eastern Ukraine via political instruments and sanctions against Russia were introduced as the most important element of such a political solution in the summer of 2014, the Ministerial Commissioner reminded the press. In reaction, Russia also ordered sanctions against the member states of the European Union in August 2014....
I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.
When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.
This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.
The result is, economic decline for all parties.
Actually it makes the difference. The EU prohibited the exports of some of its goods to Russia; Russia prohibited the imports of some European goods. Do you see any difference? The European sanctions have nothing to do with the protectionism.
No, there is no difference.
Think about it.... the theory is that if we prevent the import of cheap foreign made goods, that our economy will boom.
Ok, so if you don't like the EU perspective, just flip it around. Russia prevented the import of EU goods. According to the protectionism theory, Russia should be having an economic boom. Because all those goods produced in Europe, should now be forced to be made in Russia. Jobs should be created. Investment should be increasing. Production should be booming.
Russia should be turning into the economic power house of the world right now... according to the protectionism theory.
Isn't that what we here in the West? If we just prevent the import of cheap goods, then Ford will be forced to build it's manufacturing plant in the US.... right?
So the EU and Russia have prevented the import of goods into Russia. That should force all the corporations to build manufacturing plants in Russia, creating jobs, producing goods, growing the economy.
Right? What am I missing? What's different? You tell me.
Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.You said that we should not consider who was the first, so we can't base on that. Try show other arguments up. Yes, there is one more reason to fight ukraine - because they threaten Russia and try to be member of NATO, which since the collapse of USSR is trying to get closer and closer to russian borders. This is an aggressive politics, which needs to have an answer. Also it is fair to fight country which is willing to have a war with you, is it not?Right, so the Ukraines are fighting back to take the land you are stealing from them. We should we not support them? You expect to support stealing the land from them, right?
How about the Crimean Tatars that lived in Crimea before the Soviets stole it from them, and murdered them?
Should we help them fight you to take back Crimea from you? After all, they were there first. Isn't that your argument that you want to take Ukraine?
There is no evidence that I've seen, that Ukraine PRIOR to the invasion of Russia, was trying to a member of NATO. They were trying to open more trade with the EU.
But they were NOT trying to be part of NATO.
*NOW*.... after you have bombed, fired shells, killed hundred of their people, and confiscated their land...> YEAH < ! They are trying to join NATO. ANYONE you do that to, is going to try and join NATO. *YOU* caused this. By MURDERING their daughters, and children, YEAH they want to join NATO now. Not a shock. Not a surprise.
If you do what you did to Ukraine, to any other neighboring country, they will ALL try and join NATO.
No, I'm not suggesting anything. You are. You are saying that because such and such a people lived in Ukraine over a hundred years ago, that you have a right to own Ukraine.
If that is the belief system you want to go by, then 90% of Russia today, needs to be turned over to others. Mongolia owned most of the Stepp, long before the 'Kievan Rus' people ever existed. You better start giving it all back eh? If you think that is the determining factor, then live up to your claims. Start returning the land to the Mongols. And China for that matter.
So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule
Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
And who are those who say Ukraine wants to join NATO and EU? Those are Ukrainian rulers, the Washington’s puppets, not the Ukrainian citizens: there was never ever a referendum in Ukraine to find out the people’s opinion: some want to and some are strictly against it.
View attachment 65274
1. In 2005 Washington made its puppet Yuschenko become a President of Ukraine, which included a lot of fraud, threatening and violation of Ukrainian constitution (the third tour of voting). That was when Ukraine Suddenly started “wanting” to join NATO and “to chose” the European direction versus Russian.
2. In 2014 after the coup, organized, sponsored and supported by Washington the junta started breaking apart all the connections with Russia, promising “a beautiful European future” for Ukraine and destroying everything and everybody who was against it. And that’s why Crimeans took their chance and escaped that mess.
However “beautiful European future” turned to be “ugly Ukrainian reality”. Only within 2 years after the coup Ukraine is sunk in misery, corruption, suppression of speech and taken over by criminals and Nazis.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
Azarov, the previous PM of Ukraine: In Ukraine the normal retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . Can that be considered "normal"? There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries .
Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!) Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing what the free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
The question is: was it worth to make a coup just a year before the country could elect a new President? And why the West keeps calling the genocide in Ukraine “democracy”? Hypocrisy? I would also recommend those, who criticize Russia's actions about Ukraine, to pay attention to Turkey's actions about Syria. If West were not so hypocritical it would condemn Turkey and put sanctions on it long time ago.
I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.
When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.
This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.
The result is, economic decline for all parties.
Actually it makes the difference. The EU prohibited the exports of some of its goods to Russia; Russia prohibited the imports of some European goods. Do you see any difference? The European sanctions have nothing to do with the protectionism.
No, there is no difference.
Think about it.... the theory is that if we prevent the import of cheap foreign made goods, that our economy will boom.
Ok, so if you don't like the EU perspective, just flip it around. Russia prevented the import of EU goods. According to the protectionism theory, Russia should be having an economic boom. Because all those goods produced in Europe, should now be forced to be made in Russia. Jobs should be created. Investment should be increasing. Production should be booming.
Russia should be turning into the economic power house of the world right now... according to the protectionism theory.
Isn't that what we here in the West? If we just prevent the import of cheap goods, then Ford will be forced to build it's manufacturing plant in the US.... right?
So the EU and Russia have prevented the import of goods into Russia. That should force all the corporations to build manufacturing plants in Russia, creating jobs, producing goods, growing the economy.
Right? What am I missing? What's different? You tell me.
I understood your point. Of course, the prevention of imports doesn’t mean that the local economy will be automatically booming. There need to be conditions which will make it possible to produce something. And sometimes it takes years to create these conditions. Also, much depends on which goods are prohibited.
Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.You said that we should not consider who was the first, so we can't base on that. Try show other arguments up. Yes, there is one more reason to fight ukraine - because they threaten Russia and try to be member of NATO, which since the collapse of USSR is trying to get closer and closer to russian borders. This is an aggressive politics, which needs to have an answer. Also it is fair to fight country which is willing to have a war with you, is it not?Right, so the Ukraines are fighting back to take the land you are stealing from them. We should we not support them? You expect to support stealing the land from them, right?
How about the Crimean Tatars that lived in Crimea before the Soviets stole it from them, and murdered them?
Should we help them fight you to take back Crimea from you? After all, they were there first. Isn't that your argument that you want to take Ukraine?
There is no evidence that I've seen, that Ukraine PRIOR to the invasion of Russia, was trying to a member of NATO. They were trying to open more trade with the EU.
But they were NOT trying to be part of NATO.
*NOW*.... after you have bombed, fired shells, killed hundred of their people, and confiscated their land...> YEAH < ! They are trying to join NATO. ANYONE you do that to, is going to try and join NATO. *YOU* caused this. By MURDERING their daughters, and children, YEAH they want to join NATO now. Not a shock. Not a surprise.
If you do what you did to Ukraine, to any other neighboring country, they will ALL try and join NATO.
No, I'm not suggesting anything. You are. You are saying that because such and such a people lived in Ukraine over a hundred years ago, that you have a right to own Ukraine.
If that is the belief system you want to go by, then 90% of Russia today, needs to be turned over to others. Mongolia owned most of the Stepp, long before the 'Kievan Rus' people ever existed. You better start giving it all back eh? If you think that is the determining factor, then live up to your claims. Start returning the land to the Mongols. And China for that matter.
So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule
Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
And who are those who say Ukraine wants to join NATO and EU? Those are Ukrainian rulers, the Washington’s puppets, not the Ukrainian citizens: there was never ever a referendum in Ukraine to find out the people’s opinion: some want to and some are strictly against it.
View attachment 65274
1. In 2005 Washington made its puppet Yuschenko become a President of Ukraine, which included a lot of fraud, threatening and violation of Ukrainian constitution (the third tour of voting). That was when Ukraine Suddenly started “wanting” to join NATO and “to chose” the European direction versus Russian.
2. In 2014 after the coup, organized, sponsored and supported by Washington the junta started breaking apart all the connections with Russia, promising “a beautiful European future” for Ukraine and destroying everything and everybody who was against it. And that’s why Crimeans took their chance and escaped that mess.
However “beautiful European future” turned to be “ugly Ukrainian reality”. Only within 2 years after the coup Ukraine is sunk in misery, corruption, suppression of speech and taken over by criminals and Nazis.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
Azarov, the previous PM of Ukraine: In Ukraine the normal retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . Can that be considered "normal"? There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries .
Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!) Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing what the free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
The question is: was it worth to make a coup just a year before the country could elect a new President? And why the West keeps calling the genocide in Ukraine “democracy”? Hypocrisy? I would also recommend those, who criticize Russia's actions about Ukraine, to pay attention to Turkey's actions about Syria. If West were not so hypocritical it would condemn Turkey and put sanctions on it long time ago.
Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.You said that we should not consider who was the first, so we can't base on that. Try show other arguments up. Yes, there is one more reason to fight ukraine - because they threaten Russia and try to be member of NATO, which since the collapse of USSR is trying to get closer and closer to russian borders. This is an aggressive politics, which needs to have an answer. Also it is fair to fight country which is willing to have a war with you, is it not?
There is no evidence that I've seen, that Ukraine PRIOR to the invasion of Russia, was trying to a member of NATO. They were trying to open more trade with the EU.
But they were NOT trying to be part of NATO.
*NOW*.... after you have bombed, fired shells, killed hundred of their people, and confiscated their land...> YEAH < ! They are trying to join NATO. ANYONE you do that to, is going to try and join NATO. *YOU* caused this. By MURDERING their daughters, and children, YEAH they want to join NATO now. Not a shock. Not a surprise.
If you do what you did to Ukraine, to any other neighboring country, they will ALL try and join NATO.
No, I'm not suggesting anything. You are. You are saying that because such and such a people lived in Ukraine over a hundred years ago, that you have a right to own Ukraine.
If that is the belief system you want to go by, then 90% of Russia today, needs to be turned over to others. Mongolia owned most of the Stepp, long before the 'Kievan Rus' people ever existed. You better start giving it all back eh? If you think that is the determining factor, then live up to your claims. Start returning the land to the Mongols. And China for that matter.
So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule
Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
And who are those who say Ukraine wants to join NATO and EU? Those are Ukrainian rulers, the Washington’s puppets, not the Ukrainian citizens: there was never ever a referendum in Ukraine to find out the people’s opinion: some want to and some are strictly against it.
View attachment 65274
1. In 2005 Washington made its puppet Yuschenko become a President of Ukraine, which included a lot of fraud, threatening and violation of Ukrainian constitution (the third tour of voting). That was when Ukraine Suddenly started “wanting” to join NATO and “to chose” the European direction versus Russian.
2. In 2014 after the coup, organized, sponsored and supported by Washington the junta started breaking apart all the connections with Russia, promising “a beautiful European future” for Ukraine and destroying everything and everybody who was against it. And that’s why Crimeans took their chance and escaped that mess.
However “beautiful European future” turned to be “ugly Ukrainian reality”. Only within 2 years after the coup Ukraine is sunk in misery, corruption, suppression of speech and taken over by criminals and Nazis.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
Azarov, the previous PM of Ukraine: In Ukraine the normal retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . Can that be considered "normal"? There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries .
Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!) Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing what the free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
The question is: was it worth to make a coup just a year before the country could elect a new President? And why the West keeps calling the genocide in Ukraine “democracy”? Hypocrisy? I would also recommend those, who criticize Russia's actions about Ukraine, to pay attention to Turkey's actions about Syria. If West were not so hypocritical it would condemn Turkey and put sanctions on it long time ago.
What evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US?
Also what evidence of "genocide" would you care to post?
Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.You said that we should not consider who was the first, so we can't base on that. Try show other arguments up. Yes, there is one more reason to fight ukraine - because they threaten Russia and try to be member of NATO, which since the collapse of USSR is trying to get closer and closer to russian borders. This is an aggressive politics, which needs to have an answer. Also it is fair to fight country which is willing to have a war with you, is it not?
There is no evidence that I've seen, that Ukraine PRIOR to the invasion of Russia, was trying to a member of NATO. They were trying to open more trade with the EU.
But they were NOT trying to be part of NATO.
*NOW*.... after you have bombed, fired shells, killed hundred of their people, and confiscated their land...> YEAH < ! They are trying to join NATO. ANYONE you do that to, is going to try and join NATO. *YOU* caused this. By MURDERING their daughters, and children, YEAH they want to join NATO now. Not a shock. Not a surprise.
If you do what you did to Ukraine, to any other neighboring country, they will ALL try and join NATO.
No, I'm not suggesting anything. You are. You are saying that because such and such a people lived in Ukraine over a hundred years ago, that you have a right to own Ukraine.
If that is the belief system you want to go by, then 90% of Russia today, needs to be turned over to others. Mongolia owned most of the Stepp, long before the 'Kievan Rus' people ever existed. You better start giving it all back eh? If you think that is the determining factor, then live up to your claims. Start returning the land to the Mongols. And China for that matter.
So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule
Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
And who are those who say Ukraine wants to join NATO and EU? Those are Ukrainian rulers, the Washington’s puppets, not the Ukrainian citizens: there was never ever a referendum in Ukraine to find out the people’s opinion: some want to and some are strictly against it.
View attachment 65274
1. In 2005 Washington made its puppet Yuschenko become a President of Ukraine, which included a lot of fraud, threatening and violation of Ukrainian constitution (the third tour of voting). That was when Ukraine Suddenly started “wanting” to join NATO and “to chose” the European direction versus Russian.
2. In 2014 after the coup, organized, sponsored and supported by Washington the junta started breaking apart all the connections with Russia, promising “a beautiful European future” for Ukraine and destroying everything and everybody who was against it. And that’s why Crimeans took their chance and escaped that mess.
However “beautiful European future” turned to be “ugly Ukrainian reality”. Only within 2 years after the coup Ukraine is sunk in misery, corruption, suppression of speech and taken over by criminals and Nazis.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
Azarov, the previous PM of Ukraine: In Ukraine the normal retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . Can that be considered "normal"? There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries .
Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!) Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing what the free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
The question is: was it worth to make a coup just a year before the country could elect a new President? And why the West keeps calling the genocide in Ukraine “democracy”? Hypocrisy? I would also recommend those, who criticize Russia's actions about Ukraine, to pay attention to Turkey's actions about Syria. If West were not so hypocritical it would condemn Turkey and put sanctions on it long time ago.
In Russia a lot people does not like Putin.
In Moscow the protest of marchers demanded the resignation of Russian President Vladimir Putin. (27. febr.2016.)
"Tens of thousands have turned out for a memorial march in Moscow after the murder of prominent Russian opposition figure Boris Nemtsov.
The former deputy prime minister and fierce critic of the Kremlin was gunned down as he walked home with his girlfriend on Friday night.
The killing took place just 200 metres from the Kremlin, and came just before Nemtsov was due to lead a big rally against the war in Ukraine."
Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.There is no evidence that I've seen, that Ukraine PRIOR to the invasion of Russia, was trying to a member of NATO. They were trying to open more trade with the EU.
But they were NOT trying to be part of NATO.
*NOW*.... after you have bombed, fired shells, killed hundred of their people, and confiscated their land...> YEAH < ! They are trying to join NATO. ANYONE you do that to, is going to try and join NATO. *YOU* caused this. By MURDERING their daughters, and children, YEAH they want to join NATO now. Not a shock. Not a surprise.
If you do what you did to Ukraine, to any other neighboring country, they will ALL try and join NATO.
No, I'm not suggesting anything. You are. You are saying that because such and such a people lived in Ukraine over a hundred years ago, that you have a right to own Ukraine.
If that is the belief system you want to go by, then 90% of Russia today, needs to be turned over to others. Mongolia owned most of the Stepp, long before the 'Kievan Rus' people ever existed. You better start giving it all back eh? If you think that is the determining factor, then live up to your claims. Start returning the land to the Mongols. And China for that matter.
So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule
Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
And who are those who say Ukraine wants to join NATO and EU? Those are Ukrainian rulers, the Washington’s puppets, not the Ukrainian citizens: there was never ever a referendum in Ukraine to find out the people’s opinion: some want to and some are strictly against it.
View attachment 65274
1. In 2005 Washington made its puppet Yuschenko become a President of Ukraine, which included a lot of fraud, threatening and violation of Ukrainian constitution (the third tour of voting). That was when Ukraine Suddenly started “wanting” to join NATO and “to chose” the European direction versus Russian.
2. In 2014 after the coup, organized, sponsored and supported by Washington the junta started breaking apart all the connections with Russia, promising “a beautiful European future” for Ukraine and destroying everything and everybody who was against it. And that’s why Crimeans took their chance and escaped that mess.
However “beautiful European future” turned to be “ugly Ukrainian reality”. Only within 2 years after the coup Ukraine is sunk in misery, corruption, suppression of speech and taken over by criminals and Nazis.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
Azarov, the previous PM of Ukraine: In Ukraine the normal retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . Can that be considered "normal"? There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries .
Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!) Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing what the free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
The question is: was it worth to make a coup just a year before the country could elect a new President? And why the West keeps calling the genocide in Ukraine “democracy”? Hypocrisy? I would also recommend those, who criticize Russia's actions about Ukraine, to pay attention to Turkey's actions about Syria. If West were not so hypocritical it would condemn Turkey and put sanctions on it long time ago.
What evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US?
Also what evidence of "genocide" would you care to post?
Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.
So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule
Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
And who are those who say Ukraine wants to join NATO and EU? Those are Ukrainian rulers, the Washington’s puppets, not the Ukrainian citizens: there was never ever a referendum in Ukraine to find out the people’s opinion: some want to and some are strictly against it.
View attachment 65274
1. In 2005 Washington made its puppet Yuschenko become a President of Ukraine, which included a lot of fraud, threatening and violation of Ukrainian constitution (the third tour of voting). That was when Ukraine Suddenly started “wanting” to join NATO and “to chose” the European direction versus Russian.
2. In 2014 after the coup, organized, sponsored and supported by Washington the junta started breaking apart all the connections with Russia, promising “a beautiful European future” for Ukraine and destroying everything and everybody who was against it. And that’s why Crimeans took their chance and escaped that mess.
However “beautiful European future” turned to be “ugly Ukrainian reality”. Only within 2 years after the coup Ukraine is sunk in misery, corruption, suppression of speech and taken over by criminals and Nazis.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
Azarov, the previous PM of Ukraine: In Ukraine the normal retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . Can that be considered "normal"? There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries .
Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!) Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing what the free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
The question is: was it worth to make a coup just a year before the country could elect a new President? And why the West keeps calling the genocide in Ukraine “democracy”? Hypocrisy? I would also recommend those, who criticize Russia's actions about Ukraine, to pay attention to Turkey's actions about Syria. If West were not so hypocritical it would condemn Turkey and put sanctions on it long time ago.
What evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US?
Also what evidence of "genocide" would you care to post?
I said.... what evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US. Not what evidence do you have that we supported the 'coup'. The US has a long history of supporting people who overthrow their governments.
All you have here is a US diplomat saying they think Yats is the guy that can do it. They engineer a coup. There is no evidence that they gathered the protesters in Nov of 2013. There is no evidence, that we trained, equipped, and funded the overthrow of a government, like we attempted to do with the bay of pigs Cuba.
All you people have, that I have seen thus far, is pictures of US diplomats handing out cookies..... Cookies? Toll House is how we overthrow a government? The 'weapons' of our 'coup', is cookies?
Now if you have some REAL evidence... show it. I would LOVE to see REAL evidence.
Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.
So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule
Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
And who are those who say Ukraine wants to join NATO and EU? Those are Ukrainian rulers, the Washington’s puppets, not the Ukrainian citizens: there was never ever a referendum in Ukraine to find out the people’s opinion: some want to and some are strictly against it.
View attachment 65274
1. In 2005 Washington made its puppet Yuschenko become a President of Ukraine, which included a lot of fraud, threatening and violation of Ukrainian constitution (the third tour of voting). That was when Ukraine Suddenly started “wanting” to join NATO and “to chose” the European direction versus Russian.
2. In 2014 after the coup, organized, sponsored and supported by Washington the junta started breaking apart all the connections with Russia, promising “a beautiful European future” for Ukraine and destroying everything and everybody who was against it. And that’s why Crimeans took their chance and escaped that mess.
However “beautiful European future” turned to be “ugly Ukrainian reality”. Only within 2 years after the coup Ukraine is sunk in misery, corruption, suppression of speech and taken over by criminals and Nazis.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
Azarov, the previous PM of Ukraine: In Ukraine the normal retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . Can that be considered "normal"? There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries .
Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!) Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing what the free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
The question is: was it worth to make a coup just a year before the country could elect a new President? And why the West keeps calling the genocide in Ukraine “democracy”? Hypocrisy? I would also recommend those, who criticize Russia's actions about Ukraine, to pay attention to Turkey's actions about Syria. If West were not so hypocritical it would condemn Turkey and put sanctions on it long time ago.
What evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US?
Also what evidence of "genocide" would you care to post?
I said.... what evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US. Not what evidence do you have that we supported the 'coup'. The US has a long history of supporting people who overthrow their governments.
All you have here is a US diplomat saying they think Yats is the guy that can do it. They engineer a coup. There is no evidence that they gathered the protesters in Nov of 2013. There is no evidence, that we trained, equipped, and funded the overthrow of a government, like we attempted to do with the bay of pigs Cuba.
All you people have, that I have seen thus far, is pictures of US diplomats handing out cookies..... Cookies? Toll House is how we overthrow a government? The 'weapons' of our 'coup', is cookies?
Now if you have some REAL evidence... show it. I would LOVE to see REAL evidence.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
And who are those who say Ukraine wants to join NATO and EU? Those are Ukrainian rulers, the Washington’s puppets, not the Ukrainian citizens: there was never ever a referendum in Ukraine to find out the people’s opinion: some want to and some are strictly against it.
View attachment 65274
1. In 2005 Washington made its puppet Yuschenko become a President of Ukraine, which included a lot of fraud, threatening and violation of Ukrainian constitution (the third tour of voting). That was when Ukraine Suddenly started “wanting” to join NATO and “to chose” the European direction versus Russian.
2. In 2014 after the coup, organized, sponsored and supported by Washington the junta started breaking apart all the connections with Russia, promising “a beautiful European future” for Ukraine and destroying everything and everybody who was against it. And that’s why Crimeans took their chance and escaped that mess.
However “beautiful European future” turned to be “ugly Ukrainian reality”. Only within 2 years after the coup Ukraine is sunk in misery, corruption, suppression of speech and taken over by criminals and Nazis.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
Azarov, the previous PM of Ukraine: In Ukraine the normal retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . Can that be considered "normal"? There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries .
Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!) Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing what the free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
The question is: was it worth to make a coup just a year before the country could elect a new President? And why the West keeps calling the genocide in Ukraine “democracy”? Hypocrisy? I would also recommend those, who criticize Russia's actions about Ukraine, to pay attention to Turkey's actions about Syria. If West were not so hypocritical it would condemn Turkey and put sanctions on it long time ago.
What evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US?
Also what evidence of "genocide" would you care to post?
I said.... what evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US. Not what evidence do you have that we supported the 'coup'. The US has a long history of supporting people who overthrow their governments.
All you have here is a US diplomat saying they think Yats is the guy that can do it. They engineer a coup. There is no evidence that they gathered the protesters in Nov of 2013. There is no evidence, that we trained, equipped, and funded the overthrow of a government, like we attempted to do with the bay of pigs Cuba.
All you people have, that I have seen thus far, is pictures of US diplomats handing out cookies..... Cookies? Toll House is how we overthrow a government? The 'weapons' of our 'coup', is cookies?
Now if you have some REAL evidence... show it. I would LOVE to see REAL evidence.
Hey, Andy, everybody would love to have the real evidence, but usually the REAL real evidence pops up when the regime goes away (in this case in Ukraine or in Washington or both). And we all are looking forward for that. However even now the people in West who were happy about “democratic changes in Ukraine” just two years ago, start opening their eyes and see ugly reality in uk-Ruin (that’s what remained from Ukraine after being under the Junta for 2 years). So, below I am presenting a lot of facts from mainly Western journalists right now. The new French documentary “Masks of Revolution”, released just a month ago, contains a lot of real evidence. ENJOY!
1. Azarov, the former PM of Ukraine: This is how a regime of totalitarian repression is working against any dissident. Oles Buzina for example, definitely no opposition figure. He insulted us and me personally, but I never thought a second to do him any harm, and then he was killed in front of his own porch. Nowadays his murderers are the heroes of Ukraine, they could leave the court room without being detained. I was sentenced to jail in absentia, and Buzin’s murderers — lax house arrest, the only demand for them is to spend the nights at home. There are thousands of such examples: hundreds are missing, thousands are political prisoners, on television — terrible censorship.
Nikolay Azarov about Ukrainian Coup d'Etat and Future of the Crimean Peninsular
Azarov: In Ukraine the average retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries.Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!)Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing whatthe free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
2. Under the control of the current Ukrainian Finances Minister, an American citizen and ex- State Department employee Natalia Yaresko (who controls all the finances in UKRAINE!) the following has occurred:
- inflation level raised up to 44%, which is the record number during all the history of ghrivna (Ukrainian national currency) existence;
- national currency depreciated 3 times;
- utilities payments raised 5 times (up to 3/4 of the average retirement];
- salaries stayed the same.
3. I [Stratford] can also add: food and medicine prices grew up enormously and became non affordable for the majority of the population: people are complaining about going to the food stores like to museums and sometimes a course of medicine for 2 or 3 weeks costs half or retirement payment or even a lot more. A lot of people are dying because they can’t afford medical help or even to buy necessary (vital) medicine. The civil war in 2014 costed thousands of lives from both sides of the conflict: the Junta (mainly Jews) running the country (and controlled by Jews from Washington like Nuland, Soros and Co) has successfully sent Christians from the West to go and to kill Christians from the East of the country. Total corruption doesn’t help the people to survive either.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
4. The country is under total external control. Minute 5.30 of the video below, Kasko the General Prosecutor's Assistant says: “Before making a final decision about resigning I have consulted with our foreign partners and we have agreed that it’s the only right decision.” Neither President or government can’t even fart without “their foreign partners’” permission any more.
5. The US deposed the pro Russian Yanukovych through funding the protests last year, so to say the US has no part in expanding NATO is false.
Head of Stratfor, 'Private CIA,' Says Overthrow of Yanukovych Was 'The Most Blatant Coup in History' Washington's Blog
6. US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe, Nuland said: “ We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these goals.”
U.S. Admits It Spent 5 Billion to Overthrow Ukraine
Soros has spent even more but preferred to remain silent about that.
7. The Odessa Massacre
"Masks of Revolution":
LiveLeak.com - Documentary: Ukraine - Masks of revolution. Eng. Subs.
Documentary: Ukraine – Masks of revolution. Eng. Subs | The Vineyard of the Saker
(both with Eng subtitles. In case not available, Google "Ukraine, Masks of Revolution" , documentary by Paul Moreira)
8. The synopsis to "The Masks of Revolution" directed by Paul Moreira as posted on the Canal+ website reads that the movie presents a special investigation into the events that unfolded in Ukraine in 2014. In particular, it portrays the actions by far-right radical groups backed by the United States and the violence in the Ukrainian southern city of Odessa in May, 2014 incited by nationalists.
The principal danger of Paul Moreira heartbreaking 50-minutes long documentary is that it exposed all critically important lies and silenced facts about “Revolution of Dignity” and its agents in a concentrated form at the established French TV channel.
Euromaidan unmasked: Europe shocked by the bitter truth on Ukraine
9. This documentary lifts the veil on the deception of the US/Europe/NATO elites and their ever faithful media bullhorns. It informs us of a planned coup, described by the head of Stratfor as the most blatant ever, of the butchering of innocent people in the Odessa Trades Hall at the behest of politicians and oligarchs, and the continuing presence of heavily armed neo-Nazi thugs controlling the streets and occupying politically powerful positions in government.
Failure to act to protect would likely have seen the people of Crimea suffer the fate of many other Ukrainians, bombed in their homes by the military or bashed with poles and shot by thugs on the street.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/will-t...lution-revealed-by-french-documentary/5505682
10. For those who did not follow events at the time, the coup in Kiev was a Washington/NATO-backed regime-change operation with US Khazarian [Jewish] mafia proxies and associated loons, including Victoria Nuland and the vacuous John McCain, up to their elbows in the blood and tears of a nation.
Since then, predictably, things have not gone too well for Ukraine as tends to happen for countries touched by Washington's kiss of death.
The Russian speaking more-than-half of the country took none too kindly to their country being taken over by neo-Nazi yobs and American-backed (or just plain American) bankster oligarchs and swiftly rose in a revolt that has been tearing the country apart ever since.
Steve Cook Writer: Kiev understandably embarrassed by French documentary that lets the cat out of the bag over the Maidan coup.
11. Most likely because these Ukrainian nationalist militias actually played a significant role in a much larger scale war. The Ukrainian revolution was strongly supported by the US diplomacy.
In the new cold war that opposes Russia to the USA, Ukraine is a decisive pawn. A tactical pawn to contain Putin’s ambitions.
Ukraine, masks of the revolution
12. Forty five Ukrainians of Russian origin died in a fire inside a building [the Trades Union House in the city center of Odessa] caused by the Molotov cocktails of Ukrainian nationalist militias. After a quick investigation, I discovered that the event had not been censored. It had been addressed, discussed, but never investigated. As though too embarrassing to discuss.Why no investigation? Probably because the victims were of Russian origin.
French filmmaker Paul Moreira responds to critics of his documentary film on the Odessa Massacre of May 2, 2014 - New Cold War: Ukraine and Beyond
And all that above is just a minor tip of a huge iceberg of dirty Ukrainian reality, the world is going to learn more and more about each day.
The claim is that call manufactured goods should be protected against. If it takes years to create the conditions, then there is little chance those conditions would ever be created.
Think about it....
If you ban the import, or tariff import of manufactured goods to make an automobile. It's true you could say, that it would likely take years to get all the suppliers, and material, building plans, and production plan, and financing in place, to finally open a production facility to make the parts needed to make an automobile.
But let me ask you... what does the auto plant do in the couple of years, before the goods they used to import, to make their product, can be made domestically?
Obviously they close. But of course, without demand for those parts to be made, why would they open such a plant? So the auto part manufacturer is never built. And all the jobs at the auto plant, is lost.
1930s. Protectionism created the great depression.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
And who are those who say Ukraine wants to join NATO and EU? Those are Ukrainian rulers, the Washington’s puppets, not the Ukrainian citizens: there was never ever a referendum in Ukraine to find out the people’s opinion: some want to and some are strictly against it.
View attachment 65274
1. In 2005 Washington made its puppet Yuschenko become a President of Ukraine, which included a lot of fraud, threatening and violation of Ukrainian constitution (the third tour of voting). That was when Ukraine Suddenly started “wanting” to join NATO and “to chose” the European direction versus Russian.
2. In 2014 after the coup, organized, sponsored and supported by Washington the junta started breaking apart all the connections with Russia, promising “a beautiful European future” for Ukraine and destroying everything and everybody who was against it. And that’s why Crimeans took their chance and escaped that mess.
However “beautiful European future” turned to be “ugly Ukrainian reality”. Only within 2 years after the coup Ukraine is sunk in misery, corruption, suppression of speech and taken over by criminals and Nazis.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
Azarov, the previous PM of Ukraine: In Ukraine the normal retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . Can that be considered "normal"? There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries .
Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!) Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing what the free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
The question is: was it worth to make a coup just a year before the country could elect a new President? And why the West keeps calling the genocide in Ukraine “democracy”? Hypocrisy? I would also recommend those, who criticize Russia's actions about Ukraine, to pay attention to Turkey's actions about Syria. If West were not so hypocritical it would condemn Turkey and put sanctions on it long time ago.
What evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US?
Also what evidence of "genocide" would you care to post?
I said.... what evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US. Not what evidence do you have that we supported the 'coup'. The US has a long history of supporting people who overthrow their governments.
All you have here is a US diplomat saying they think Yats is the guy that can do it. They engineer a coup. There is no evidence that they gathered the protesters in Nov of 2013. There is no evidence, that we trained, equipped, and funded the overthrow of a government, like we attempted to do with the bay of pigs Cuba.
All you people have, that I have seen thus far, is pictures of US diplomats handing out cookies..... Cookies? Toll House is how we overthrow a government? The 'weapons' of our 'coup', is cookies?
Now if you have some REAL evidence... show it. I would LOVE to see REAL evidence.
Cognitive dissonance is a terrible affliction.
The claim is that call manufactured goods should be protected against. If it takes years to create the conditions, then there is little chance those conditions would ever be created.
Think about it....
If you ban the import, or tariff import of manufactured goods to make an automobile. It's true you could say, that it would likely take years to get all the suppliers, and material, building plans, and production plan, and financing in place, to finally open a production facility to make the parts needed to make an automobile.
But let me ask you... what does the auto plant do in the couple of years, before the goods they used to import, to make their product, can be made domestically?
Obviously they close. But of course, without demand for those parts to be made, why would they open such a plant? So the auto part manufacturer is never built. And all the jobs at the auto plant, is lost.
1930s. Protectionism created the great depression.
If you want to build an auto plant, then at first you need to create those facilities which will be able to produce the auto parts. And only after these facilities are built, you build the auto plant.
Also, you can go another way (and I think it will be more rationale). You build an auto assembly plant, and after that you hike the tariffs on imported cars, but give tax benefits to those foreign producers who agree to assemble their cars on your plant (they will use their parts, of course). I don’t know how it sounds in English; in Russian it is called “отверточная сборка”. After that you begin developing facilities which can produce some auto parts. When the number of these facilities is enough to produce for example 20 per cent of the auto parts needed, you demand that the foreign producers use these parts if they want to preserve their benefits. Then you increase these facilities to 50 per cent and so on. After a while you will have your own facilities to build a car without the foreign producers.
Of course, it is very simplified scenario. In the real live everything will be more difficult.
Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.
Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.
It would seem their concerns were justified.
And who are those who say Ukraine wants to join NATO and EU? Those are Ukrainian rulers, the Washington’s puppets, not the Ukrainian citizens: there was never ever a referendum in Ukraine to find out the people’s opinion: some want to and some are strictly against it.
View attachment 65274
1. In 2005 Washington made its puppet Yuschenko become a President of Ukraine, which included a lot of fraud, threatening and violation of Ukrainian constitution (the third tour of voting). That was when Ukraine Suddenly started “wanting” to join NATO and “to chose” the European direction versus Russian.
2. In 2014 after the coup, organized, sponsored and supported by Washington the junta started breaking apart all the connections with Russia, promising “a beautiful European future” for Ukraine and destroying everything and everybody who was against it. And that’s why Crimeans took their chance and escaped that mess.
However “beautiful European future” turned to be “ugly Ukrainian reality”. Only within 2 years after the coup Ukraine is sunk in misery, corruption, suppression of speech and taken over by criminals and Nazis.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
Azarov, the previous PM of Ukraine: In Ukraine the normal retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . Can that be considered "normal"? There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries .
Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!) Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing what the free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
The question is: was it worth to make a coup just a year before the country could elect a new President? And why the West keeps calling the genocide in Ukraine “democracy”? Hypocrisy? I would also recommend those, who criticize Russia's actions about Ukraine, to pay attention to Turkey's actions about Syria. If West were not so hypocritical it would condemn Turkey and put sanctions on it long time ago.
What evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US?
Also what evidence of "genocide" would you care to post?
I said.... what evidence do you have that the "coup" was sponsored by the US. Not what evidence do you have that we supported the 'coup'. The US has a long history of supporting people who overthrow their governments.
All you have here is a US diplomat saying they think Yats is the guy that can do it. They engineer a coup. There is no evidence that they gathered the protesters in Nov of 2013. There is no evidence, that we trained, equipped, and funded the overthrow of a government, like we attempted to do with the bay of pigs Cuba.
All you people have, that I have seen thus far, is pictures of US diplomats handing out cookies..... Cookies? Toll House is how we overthrow a government? The 'weapons' of our 'coup', is cookies?
Now if you have some REAL evidence... show it. I would LOVE to see REAL evidence.
Hey, Andy, everybody would love to have the real evidence, but usually the REAL real evidence pops up when the regime goes away (in this case in Ukraine or in Washington or both). And we all are looking forward for that. However even now the people in West who were happy about “democratic changes in Ukraine” just two years ago, start opening their eyes and see ugly reality in uk-Ruin (that’s what remained from Ukraine after being under the Junta for 2 years). So, below I am presenting a lot of facts from mainly Western journalists right now. The new French documentary “Masks of Revolution”, released just a month ago, contains a lot of real evidence. ENJOY!
1. Azarov, the former PM of Ukraine: This is how a regime of totalitarian repression is working against any dissident. Oles Buzina for example, definitely no opposition figure. He insulted us and me personally, but I never thought a second to do him any harm, and then he was killed in front of his own porch. Nowadays his murderers are the heroes of Ukraine, they could leave the court room without being detained. I was sentenced to jail in absentia, and Buzin’s murderers — lax house arrest, the only demand for them is to spend the nights at home. There are thousands of such examples: hundreds are missing, thousands are political prisoners, on television — terrible censorship.
Nikolay Azarov about Ukrainian Coup d'Etat and Future of the Crimean Peninsular
Azarov: In Ukraine the average retirement payment is 40 Euros per month,.The average salary is about 150 Euros . There are not too many countries in the world with such miserable salaries.Somalia is offended when they are compared to Ukraine.The population over the past two years decreased from 45.6 million to less than 40 million.In 2015, (compared to 2014) died 104 thousand people more (the population of an average Ukrainian town!)Plants and factories do not work, exports fell down by almost 2 times.
In two years after the Maidan in Kyiv, it seems like the people started to slowly realizing whatthe free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union, which they dreamed of, - is a myth.
Google Translate
2. Under the control of the current Ukrainian Finances Minister, an American citizen and ex- State Department employee Natalia Yaresko (who controls all the finances in UKRAINE!) the following has occurred:
- inflation level raised up to 44%, which is the record number during all the history of ghrivna (Ukrainian national currency) existence;
- national currency depreciated 3 times;
- utilities payments raised 5 times (up to 3/4 of the average retirement];
- salaries stayed the same.
3. I [Stratford] can also add: food and medicine prices grew up enormously and became non affordable for the majority of the population: people are complaining about going to the food stores like to museums and sometimes a course of medicine for 2 or 3 weeks costs half or retirement payment or even a lot more. A lot of people are dying because they can’t afford medical help or even to buy necessary (vital) medicine. The civil war in 2014 costed thousands of lives from both sides of the conflict: the Junta (mainly Jews) running the country (and controlled by Jews from Washington like Nuland, Soros and Co) has successfully sent Christians from the West to go and to kill Christians from the East of the country. Total corruption doesn’t help the people to survive either.
The corruption that fueled Ukraine’s 2014 revolution won’t go away
4. The country is under total external control. Minute 5.30 of the video below, Kasko the General Prosecutor's Assistant says: “Before making a final decision about resigning I have consulted with our foreign partners and we have agreed that it’s the only right decision.” Neither President or government can’t even fart without “their foreign partners’” permission any more.
5. The US deposed the pro Russian Yanukovych through funding the protests last year, so to say the US has no part in expanding NATO is false.
Head of Stratfor, 'Private CIA,' Says Overthrow of Yanukovych Was 'The Most Blatant Coup in History' Washington's Blog
6. US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe, Nuland said: “ We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these goals.”
U.S. Admits It Spent 5 Billion to Overthrow Ukraine
Soros has spent even more but preferred to remain silent about that.
7. The Odessa Massacre
"Masks of Revolution":
LiveLeak.com - Documentary: Ukraine - Masks of revolution. Eng. Subs.
Documentary: Ukraine – Masks of revolution. Eng. Subs | The Vineyard of the Saker
(both with Eng subtitles. In case not available, Google "Ukraine, Masks of Revolution" , documentary by Paul Moreira)
8. The synopsis to "The Masks of Revolution" directed by Paul Moreira as posted on the Canal+ website reads that the movie presents a special investigation into the events that unfolded in Ukraine in 2014. In particular, it portrays the actions by far-right radical groups backed by the United States and the violence in the Ukrainian southern city of Odessa in May, 2014 incited by nationalists.
The principal danger of Paul Moreira heartbreaking 50-minutes long documentary is that it exposed all critically important lies and silenced facts about “Revolution of Dignity” and its agents in a concentrated form at the established French TV channel.
Euromaidan unmasked: Europe shocked by the bitter truth on Ukraine
9. This documentary lifts the veil on the deception of the US/Europe/NATO elites and their ever faithful media bullhorns. It informs us of a planned coup, described by the head of Stratfor as the most blatant ever, of the butchering of innocent people in the Odessa Trades Hall at the behest of politicians and oligarchs, and the continuing presence of heavily armed neo-Nazi thugs controlling the streets and occupying politically powerful positions in government.
Failure to act to protect would likely have seen the people of Crimea suffer the fate of many other Ukrainians, bombed in their homes by the military or bashed with poles and shot by thugs on the street.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/will-t...lution-revealed-by-french-documentary/5505682
10. For those who did not follow events at the time, the coup in Kiev was a Washington/NATO-backed regime-change operation with US Khazarian [Jewish] mafia proxies and associated loons, including Victoria Nuland and the vacuous John McCain, up to their elbows in the blood and tears of a nation.
Since then, predictably, things have not gone too well for Ukraine as tends to happen for countries touched by Washington's kiss of death.
The Russian speaking more-than-half of the country took none too kindly to their country being taken over by neo-Nazi yobs and American-backed (or just plain American) bankster oligarchs and swiftly rose in a revolt that has been tearing the country apart ever since.
Steve Cook Writer: Kiev understandably embarrassed by French documentary that lets the cat out of the bag over the Maidan coup.
11. Most likely because these Ukrainian nationalist militias actually played a significant role in a much larger scale war. The Ukrainian revolution was strongly supported by the US diplomacy.
In the new cold war that opposes Russia to the USA, Ukraine is a decisive pawn. A tactical pawn to contain Putin’s ambitions.
Ukraine, masks of the revolution
12. Forty five Ukrainians of Russian origin died in a fire inside a building [the Trades Union House in the city center of Odessa] caused by the Molotov cocktails of Ukrainian nationalist militias. After a quick investigation, I discovered that the event had not been censored. It had been addressed, discussed, but never investigated. As though too embarrassing to discuss.Why no investigation? Probably because the victims were of Russian origin.
French filmmaker Paul Moreira responds to critics of his documentary film on the Odessa Massacre of May 2, 2014 - New Cold War: Ukraine and Beyond
And all that above is just a minor tip of a huge iceberg of dirty Ukrainian reality, the world is going to learn more and more about each day. If you are REALLY interested in a "real evidence", it will take you about a day to research all the sources. If not, go somewhere else and keep annoying somebody else.
Right, and all those facilities exist today. The auto plant in Marysville has part manufacturers all over the world. Parts come from Mexico, Canada, and Japan, and several others, to provide the parts for that plant. If we engage in protectionism, and prevent those imports, to "bring jobs back", how long do you think that plant can run, without imported parts? Ironically, because of the tax situation, where companies have to pay tax on goods sitting on the shelf, most manufacturing runs "just-in-time" suppliers. Meaning that on any given day they usually have barely enough stock to continue production for one day.
No doubt the same is true over in Eastern Europe, which is why the trade sanctions on both sides have had such quick and devastating effect on both sides.
Right, and all those facilities exist today. The auto plant in Marysville has part manufacturers all over the world. Parts come from Mexico, Canada, and Japan, and several others, to provide the parts for that plant. If we engage in protectionism, and prevent those imports, to "bring jobs back", how long do you think that plant can run, without imported parts? Ironically, because of the tax situation, where companies have to pay tax on goods sitting on the shelf, most manufacturing runs "just-in-time" suppliers. Meaning that on any given day they usually have barely enough stock to continue production for one day.
You should prohibit these imports only after similar facilities are created in your country.
It is flaws in the tax policy. If the taxation damages the economy, then you should change the tax system.
No doubt the same is true over in Eastern Europe, which is why the trade sanctions on both sides have had such quick and devastating effect on both sides.
I don’t understand why you consider these sanctions in context of protectionism. The reason of imposing the EU’s sanctions against Russia has nothing to do with protectionism. Actually they are the opposite of protectionism because they hurt European companies (prohibited not imports but exports). Russian sanctions (so-called counter-sanctions) may be considered to be protectionism. Unless I am mistaken, Russian officials claim that these counter-sanctions have positive impact on Russian agriculture.