F35 - superfighter or lame duck?

[Daryl Hunt]

Pilotless is the future.

Part of the future. I can think of many ways to defeat a pilotless fighter. The Navy already tried a system where the pilot loses conciousness and the AC takes over. Worked beyond their wildest nightmares. They had to clear the whole area of any and all Aircraft until the Pilot regained his senses. That system was removed so fast it would make your head spin. Your drone style controls won't work and the last thing you want is for an AI to have it's finger on the firing pin.

 

[there4eyeM]

And battleships couldn't be sunk by airplanes.
Technology has already superseded big targets and fragile human-carrying war horses. It will only get more advanced. Cheap, highly maneuverable remote-controlled planes will overwhelm these over-priced, boondoggle toys.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And battleships couldn't be sunk by airplanes.
Technology has already superseded big targets and fragile human-carrying war horses. It will only get more advanced. Cheap, highly maneuverable remote-controlled planes will overwhelm these over-priced, boondoggle toys.

One drone target was singled out on a Highway in Afg. Right color, right make, right area. The drone operator already had the crosshairs on the car. He noticed some red and white and did a closer pass. It wasn't the right car, that car was coming from a Wedding with the Bride and Groom. An AI would have launched. But we both know that a drone can be defeated with jamming. So, it all boiled down to the eye balls and judgement of the pilot whether it's a drone of an AC. The pilotless AI Fighter is still somewhere in Science Fiction. Will be for quite some time.

 

[HenryBHough]

To bring an F35 to an exchange with even France's Rafael is to go into a duel with a Swiss Army Knife against a Samurai sword. Of course the chances of going to war with France are not great but, then, the French DO sell those excellent fighters to other countries.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

To bring an F35 to an exchange with even France's Rafael is to go into a duel with a Swiss Army Knife against a Samurai sword. Of course the chances of going to war with France are not great but, then, the French DO sell those excellent fighters to other countries.

Glad you brought that up. Okay, you are holding your fancy japanese sword. And your enemy is armed with a Tanegashima introduced in Japan in 1543. The Tanegashima. a flintlock. that changed the way war was fought in Japan.Good case in point was shown in The Three Musketeers (1993 film). And also in one of the Indiana Jones flix.

The F-35 sees the Rafale 20 miles before it can see them. It fires a passive seeker. At about the time the Rafaeel finally sees the Lightning. Right about then, the Rafales sensors go off just before the first missile hits. Never bring a knife to a gun fight.

 

[there4eyeM]

Unfortunately, we will probably see.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Unfortunately, we will probably see.

What we export isn't what we use Our Aim-120 has at least 20 miles more range than the ones we export. Same goes for even the lowly F-16 exports and avionics. Even our F-15 has some of it's Avionics systems still repaired and calibrated behind the door of a Vault. This is why the F-15 has a 107 to 0 combat record. In the games, the USAF handicaps their birds to not let the others know just how good they really are. But in our own games, a flight of 6 F-22s bagged 15 F-15s with no losses. There is no reason that the F-23 should fare much worse than the F-22. If you think the upgrades for the F-35 is just for the F-35, they are also finding their way into the F-22 and F-15 and every dime of R&D goes against the F-35 bill.

 

[HenryBHough]

The bright spot about the F35 overstuffed turkey is that many of the innovations being developed to clean up shortcomings can be applied to other actual fighters. So it's not as though NO good can come from any of this boondoggle.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Unfortunately, we will probably see.

What we export isn't what we use Our Aim-120 has at least 20 miles more range than the ones we export. Same goes for even the lowly F-16 exports and avionics. Even our F-15 has some of it's Avionics systems still repaired and calibrated behind the door of a Vault. This is why the F-15 has a 107 to 0 combat record. In the games, the USAF handicaps their birds to not let the others know just how good they really are. But in our own games, a flight of 6 F-22s bagged 15 F-15s with no losses. There is no reason that the F-23 should fare much worse than the F-22. If you think the upgrades for the F-35 is just for the F-35, they are also finding their way into the F-22 and F-15 and every dime of R&D goes against the F-35 bill.

We are actually building f-15s for foreign nations that are more advanced than ours

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The bright spot about the F35 overstuffed turkey is that many of the innovations being developed to clean up shortcomings can be applied to other actual fighters. So it's not as though NO good can come from any of this boondoggle.

Then it's not a boondoggle.

 

[Manonthestreet]

The bright spot about the F35 overstuffed turkey is that many of the innovations being developed to clean up shortcomings can be applied to other actual fighters. So it's not as though NO good can come from any of this boondoggle.

Then it's not a boondoggle.

Not a boondoggle would be an effective platform.....this is not....and wont be.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Unfortunately, we will probably see.

What we export isn't what we use Our Aim-120 has at least 20 miles more range than the ones we export. Same goes for even the lowly F-16 exports and avionics. Even our F-15 has some of it's Avionics systems still repaired and calibrated behind the door of a Vault. This is why the F-15 has a 107 to 0 combat record. In the games, the USAF handicaps their birds to not let the others know just how good they really are. But in our own games, a flight of 6 F-22s bagged 15 F-15s with no losses. There is no reason that the F-23 should fare much worse than the F-22. If you think the upgrades for the F-35 is just for the F-35, they are also finding their way into the F-22 and F-15 and every dime of R&D goes against the F-35 bill.

We are actually building f-15s for foreign nations that are more advanced than ours

Not in the Avionics. The US F-15C/D/E still has a 20 mile buffer over the exported versions as well as a longer ranged Aim-120. But at some point, the C/D models will have to be replace due to age. But not right now. They can still more than hold their own (great plane with great pilots) anything thrown at them. Yes, the PAK-50 can see them but what they see is the Eagle launching Missiles at it before they can launch on the F-15. Again, the F-15 has a 20 mile buffer to work with. Now, against real stealth agressors, the F-15 will have a bad problem with them. The only country with the real stealth birds are the US right now. You can turn, dive, stand it on it's tail, do a backslide and make it bark like a dog but if you are dodging missiles you aren't in the fight.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The bright spot about the F35 overstuffed turkey is that many of the innovations being developed to clean up shortcomings can be applied to other actual fighters. So it's not as though NO good can come from any of this boondoggle.

Then it's not a boondoggle.

Not a boondoggle would be an effective platform.....this is not....and wont be.

Without resorting to cheap shots, tell us why it's a boondoggle since it goes into service this year?

 

[HenryBHough]

Will the overstuffed turkey make it into service?

It might.

How long will it remain serviceable?

 

[there4eyeM]

Good question.

Wonder how many bottles of corporate Champagne have been uncorked over it?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Will the overstuffed turkey make it into service?

It might.

How long will it remain serviceable?

Yer just trolling now.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Good question.

Wonder how many bottles of corporate Champagne have been uncorked over it?

Not nearly as many as the "Save the A-10" bunch.

 

[HenryBHough]

Yer just trolling now.

Damn, I gotta stop asking questions that are too hard!

 

[there4eyeM]

We should invest in French wine.

 

[there4eyeM]

Duck! A lame F35!