Facts About Judaism

[HaShev]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

.
you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.
really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.
you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

http://www.errancy.com/theudas-came-after-judas/

Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[BreezeWood]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

.
you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.
really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.
you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

http://www.errancy.com/theudas-came-after-judas/

Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

.
and what about your fables -
.

.
no less preposterous than your belief in the murdering moses and their claim of etched commandments from the Almighty.
.

there was a religious itinerant in the 1st century whoever they may have been that was persecuted and victimized for their liberation theology the jews felt compelled to crucify for which their followers were also put to death by the same complicity. of romans and jews to this day.

 

[irosie91]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

.
you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.
really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.
you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

http://www.errancy.com/theudas-came-after-judas/

Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

.
and what about your fables -
.
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no less preposterous than your belief in the murdering moses and their claim of etched commandments from the Almighty.
.

there was a religious itinerant in the 1st century whoever they may have been that was persecuted and victimized for their liberation theology the jews felt compelled to crucify for which their followers were also put to death by the same complicity. of romans and jews to this day.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

 

[BreezeWood]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

.
you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.
really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.
you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

http://www.errancy.com/theudas-came-after-judas/

Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

.
and what about your fables -
.
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no less preposterous than your belief in the murdering moses and their claim of etched commandments from the Almighty.
.

there was a religious itinerant in the 1st century whoever they may have been that was persecuted and victimized for their liberation theology the jews felt compelled to crucify for which their followers were also put to death by the same complicity. of romans and jews to this day.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.
it means moses was a liar - the 10 commandments.

the religious itinerant was murdered through the complicity of the jews and romans the jews did nothing for those that were fed to the lions for the same reason - those were 4th century christians, catholic adolf, romans and the jews have something to complain about.

 

[irosie91]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

.
you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.
really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.
you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

http://www.errancy.com/theudas-came-after-judas/

Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

.
and what about your fables -
.
View attachment 384649
.
no less preposterous than your belief in the murdering moses and their claim of etched commandments from the Almighty.
.

there was a religious itinerant in the 1st century whoever they may have been that was persecuted and victimized for their liberation theology the jews felt compelled to crucify for which their followers were also put to death by the same complicity. of romans and jews to this day.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.
it means moses was a liar - the 10 commandments.

the religious itinerant was murdered through the complicity of the jews and romans the jews did nothing for those that were fed to the lions for the same reason - those were 4th century christians, catholic adolf, romans and the jews have something to complain about.

the religious itinerant (not really all that intinerant---he was actually a typical pharisee) was murdered by the romans for being a typical Pharisee. Try to learn some REAL history

 

[BreezeWood]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

.
you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.
really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.
you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

http://www.errancy.com/theudas-came-after-judas/

Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

.
and what about your fables -
.
View attachment 384649
.
no less preposterous than your belief in the murdering moses and their claim of etched commandments from the Almighty.
.

there was a religious itinerant in the 1st century whoever they may have been that was persecuted and victimized for their liberation theology the jews felt compelled to crucify for which their followers were also put to death by the same complicity. of romans and jews to this day.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.
it means moses was a liar - the 10 commandments.

the religious itinerant was murdered through the complicity of the jews and romans the jews did nothing for those that were fed to the lions for the same reason - those were 4th century christians, catholic adolf, romans and the jews have something to complain about.

the religious itinerant (not really all that intinerant---he was actually a typical pharisee) was murdered by the romans for being a typical Pharisee. Try to learn some REAL history

.

the religious itinerant (not really all that intinerant---he was actually a typical pharisee) was murdered by the romans for being a typical Pharisee. Try to learn some REAL history

.
(religious) itinerant -

what history, yours makes less sense than the other irrational explanation yet encountered, barabbas was simply a misunderstood hero - were they jews after the crucifixion that were fed to the lions.

 

[irosie91]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

.
you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.
really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.
you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

http://www.errancy.com/theudas-came-after-judas/

Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

.
and what about your fables -
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no less preposterous than your belief in the murdering moses and their claim of etched commandments from the Almighty.
.

there was a religious itinerant in the 1st century whoever they may have been that was persecuted and victimized for their liberation theology the jews felt compelled to crucify for which their followers were also put to death by the same complicity. of romans and jews to this day.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.
it means moses was a liar - the 10 commandments.

the religious itinerant was murdered through the complicity of the jews and romans the jews did nothing for those that were fed to the lions for the same reason - those were 4th century christians, catholic adolf, romans and the jews have something to complain about.

the religious itinerant (not really all that intinerant---he was actually a typical pharisee) was murdered by the romans for being a typical Pharisee. Try to learn some REAL history

.

the religious itinerant (not really all that intinerant---he was actually a typical pharisee) was murdered by the romans for being a typical Pharisee. Try to learn some REAL history

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(religious) itinerant -

what history, yours makes less sense than the other irrational explanation yet encountered, barabbas was simply a misunderstood hero - were they jews after the crucifixion that were fed to the lions.

you have a HISTORY that two days after the romans crucified the young pharisee jew JESUS----christians were rounded up and fed to lions? Learn some history-----the romans did not round up putative followers of Jesus in JUDEA to use as pet food. It was the INTENSIVE EVANGALISM of christians in ROME that led to their being turned into pet food for the entertainment of the roman ladies-----before THEY were forced into christianity by the disgusting pig CONSTANTINE (a big time jew killer) Try to keep in mind----Constantine did not use jesus as an excuse for CONQUEST until more than 300 years later when he became a superhero anti-semite
(also resorting to the deicide myth to justify his filth and kick off some 1700 years of genocide)

 

[ding]

Liberation theology

 

[Taz]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

.
you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.
really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.
you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

http://www.errancy.com/theudas-came-after-judas/

Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

.
and what about your fables -
.
View attachment 384649
.
no less preposterous than your belief in the murdering moses and their claim of etched commandments from the Almighty.
.

there was a religious itinerant in the 1st century whoever they may have been that was persecuted and victimized for their liberation theology the jews felt compelled to crucify for which their followers were also put to death by the same complicity. of romans and jews to this day.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.
it means moses was a liar - the 10 commandments.

the religious itinerant was murdered through the complicity of the jews and romans the jews did nothing for those that were fed to the lions for the same reason - those were 4th century christians, catholic adolf, romans and the jews have something to complain about.

the religious itinerant (not really all that intinerant---he was actually a typical pharisee) was murdered by the romans for being a typical Pharisee. Try to learn some REAL history

Jesus was killed because he was a Jew with coke bottle glasses.

 

[irosie91]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

.
you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

.
really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.
you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

http://www.errancy.com/theudas-came-after-judas/

Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

.
and what about your fables -
.
View attachment 384649
.
no less preposterous than your belief in the murdering moses and their claim of etched commandments from the Almighty.
.

there was a religious itinerant in the 1st century whoever they may have been that was persecuted and victimized for their liberation theology the jews felt compelled to crucify for which their followers were also put to death by the same complicity. of romans and jews to this day.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.

Huh??? what does ^^^^ that mean? Jews did not crucify-----that was a ROMAN THING----and still is. Jews and romans acted in complicity? Is that what your catechism whore told you in response to the filth of catholic Inqusition and catholic Adolf?

.
it means moses was a liar - the 10 commandments.

the religious itinerant was murdered through the complicity of the jews and romans the jews did nothing for those that were fed to the lions for the same reason - those were 4th century christians, catholic adolf, romans and the jews have something to complain about.

the religious itinerant (not really all that intinerant---he was actually a typical pharisee) was murdered by the romans for being a typical Pharisee. Try to learn some REAL history

Jesus was killed because he was a Jew with coke bottle glasses.

it was the NOSE ( to Sophia Loren---no insult intended)

 

[BreezeWood]

It was the INTENSIVE EVANGALISM of christians in ROME that led to their being turned into pet food for the entertainment of the roman ladies-----before THEY were forced into christianity by the disgusting pig CONSTANTINE (a big time jew killer) Try to keep in mind---

.
they were not christians that were fed to the lions the itinerant taught liberation theology that was what they expressed and died for ... later -
.

Liberation theology .

.
the phony christians, impersonators began their reign in the 4th century they were the crucifiers that surreptitiously augmented for their advantage the religion of antiquity - into their own christianity - and have been persecuting and victimizing the innocent ever since - bing.

 

[irosie91]

It was the INTENSIVE EVANGALISM of christians in ROME that led to their being turned into pet food for the entertainment of the roman ladies-----before THEY were forced into christianity by the disgusting pig CONSTANTINE (a big time jew killer) Try to keep in mind---

.
they were not christians that were fed to the lions the itinerant taught liberation theology that was what they expressed and died for ... later -
.

Liberation theology .

.
the phony christians, impersonators began their reign in the 4th century they were the crucifiers that surreptitiously augmented for their advantage the religion of antiquity - into their own christianity - and have been persecuting and victimizing the innocent ever since - bing.

you are delusional. Historically "crucifixion" was removed (this is a trivial point) However---your use of the term ITINERANT and that which "he" taught is
PSYCHOTIC

 

[ding]

It was the INTENSIVE EVANGALISM of christians in ROME that led to their being turned into pet food for the entertainment of the roman ladies-----before THEY were forced into christianity by the disgusting pig CONSTANTINE (a big time jew killer) Try to keep in mind---

.
they were not christians that were fed to the lions the itinerant taught liberation theology that was what they expressed and died for ... later -
.

Liberation theology .

.
the phony christians, impersonators began their reign in the 4th century they were the crucifiers that surreptitiously augmented for their advantage the religion of antiquity - into their own christianity - and have been persecuting and victimizing the innocent ever since - bing.

I can't stop laughing at your statement that liberation theology is the religion of antiquity.

It's going to take awhile.

 

[BreezeWood]

It was the INTENSIVE EVANGALISM of christians in ROME that led to their being turned into pet food for the entertainment of the roman ladies-----before THEY were forced into christianity by the disgusting pig CONSTANTINE (a big time jew killer) Try to keep in mind---

.
they were not christians that were fed to the lions the itinerant taught liberation theology that was what they expressed and died for ... later -
.

Liberation theology .

.
the phony christians, impersonators began their reign in the 4th century they were the crucifiers that surreptitiously augmented for their advantage the religion of antiquity - into their own christianity - and have been persecuting and victimizing the innocent ever since - bing.

you are delusional. Historically "crucifixion" was removed (this is a trivial point) However---your use of the term ITINERANT and that which "he" taught is
PSYCHOTIC

.

you are delusional. Historically "crucifixion" was removed (this is a trivial point) However---your use of the term ITINERANT and that which "he" taught is
PSYCHOTIC

.
who they were in the 1st century were tried in court and put to death through a narration by the jews and their corrupt religious persuasion. stoned to death somehow is better for you.
.

it means moses was a liar - the 10 commandments.

your use of the term ITINERANT and that which "he" taught is
PSYCHOTIC

.
PSYCHOTIC: and you believe etched tablets by the Almighty - were destroyed ...

really, the religion of antiquity taught in the 1st century was psychotic compared to judaism and the evolved 4th century christianity or islam ... murderers and thieves.

it is a rational explanation for what occurred in the 1st century from the perspective of the cumulative spoken religion and the true path for admission to the Everlasting from the beginning to the present.

 

[irosie91]

It was the INTENSIVE EVANGALISM of christians in ROME that led to their being turned into pet food for the entertainment of the roman ladies-----before THEY were forced into christianity by the disgusting pig CONSTANTINE (a big time jew killer) Try to keep in mind---

.
they were not christians that were fed to the lions the itinerant taught liberation theology that was what they expressed and died for ... later -
.

Liberation theology .

.
the phony christians, impersonators began their reign in the 4th century they were the crucifiers that surreptitiously augmented for their advantage the religion of antiquity - into their own christianity - and have been persecuting and victimizing the innocent ever since - bing.

you are delusional. Historically "crucifixion" was removed (this is a trivial point) However---your use of the term ITINERANT and that which "he" taught is
PSYCHOTIC

.

you are delusional. Historically "crucifixion" was removed (this is a trivial point) However---your use of the term ITINERANT and that which "he" taught is
PSYCHOTIC

.
who they were in the 1st century were tried in court and put to death through a narration by the jews and their corrupt religious persuasion. stoned to death somehow is better for you.
.

it means moses was a liar - the 10 commandments.

your use of the term ITINERANT and that which "he" taught is
PSYCHOTIC

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PSYCHOTIC: and you believe etched tablets by the Almighty - were destroyed ...

really, the religion of antiquity taught in the 1st century was psychotic compared to judaism and the evolved 4th century christianity or islam ... murderers and thieves.

it is a rational explanation for what occurred in the 1st century from the perspective of the cumulative spoken religion and the true path for admission to the Everlasting from the beginning to the present.

It was the INTENSIVE EVANGALISM of christians in ROME that led to their being turned into pet food for the entertainment of the roman ladies-----before THEY were forced into christianity by the disgusting pig CONSTANTINE (a big time jew killer) Try to keep in mind---

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they were not christians that were fed to the lions the itinerant taught liberation theology that was what they expressed and died for ... later -
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Liberation theology .

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the phony christians, impersonators began their reign in the 4th century they were the crucifiers that surreptitiously augmented for their advantage the religion of antiquity - into their own christianity - and have been persecuting and victimizing the innocent ever since - bing.

you are delusional. Historically "crucifixion" was removed (this is a trivial point) However---your use of the term ITINERANT and that which "he" taught is
PSYCHOTIC

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you are delusional. Historically "crucifixion" was removed (this is a trivial point) However---your use of the term ITINERANT and that which "he" taught is
PSYCHOTIC

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who they were in the 1st century were tried in court and put to death through a narration by the jews and their corrupt religious persuasion. stoned to death somehow is better for you.
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it means moses was a liar - the 10 commandments.

your use of the term ITINERANT and that which "he" taught is
PSYCHOTIC

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PSYCHOTIC: and you believe etched tablets by the Almighty - were destroyed ...

well---that account ---that Moses THREW them is credible. As to your fantasy of people being STONED-----ain't no such history. The legend of the person named JAMES makes no sense-----there was no Sanhedrin at that time. If he was killed by "STONES" is was more like a LYNCHING----not a decree of the Sanhedrin

 

[rylah]

The Daily Portion / A birthday

Yesterday was the birthday of Chabad. How much influence for good this movement has had and please G-d, will continue to have!

Mazal tov. Chabad was born yesterday. The founder of the famous hasidic movement, Rav Shneur Zalman of Liadi, was born on the 18th of Elul 270 years ago. The approach that he developed has had enormous influence on us until today. It seems to me that in our present situation, this approach is especially relevant.

Here are several principles from chapter 32 of Tanya, Rav Shneur Zalman's seminal work.

"Therefore, all Jews are called real brothers by virtue of the source of their souls in the One God; only the bodies are separated." In the root of our souls, we are brothers and sisters. Outwardly, we seem different and separate, but we share the same nucleus, a common denominator that unites us all.

"For the basis and root of the entire Torah are to raise and exalt the soul high above the body." Our whole story is really about the struggle between the soul and the body, between the spiritual and the material, between the right thing to do and our ego or self-interest. All along our lifetime's journey, our challenge is to make the soul lead the body, and not the opposite.

And what do we do upon encountering those who seem terribly mistaken and harmful, even wicked, whom the Torah enjoins us to hate and yet also to love? "Hatred, because of the wickedness in them; and love on account of the aspect of the hidden good in them, which is the divine spark in them, which animates their divine soul." We need to hate the wickedness, but to remember that there is always a spark of goodness inside and therefore to love everyone.

The hasidic revolution is not yet complete, but adhering to its prinicples can help us greatly during the present crisis.

The Daily Portion / A birthday

Yesterday was the birthday of Chabad. How much influence for good this movement has had and please G-d, will continue to have!

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[rylah]

Don't Put Out the Flame

A lot of Baalei Tshuva and Gerim come back to Judaism with strong desires to achieve everything. People who have been accustom to living a Torah lifestyle for a while see these newcomers and immediately want to stop them in their tracks. They attempt to show them the way "they do it". Then suddenly, the flame dies.

 

[rylah]

The final Shabbat of the year: Hastening the Redemption

A profound Midrashic insight based on Isaiah's words in this week's Haftara, the last of the 'Seven of Consolation' on the Return to Zion.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[LittleNipper]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

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you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

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there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

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really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

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Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

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you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

http://www.errancy.com/theudas-came-after-judas/

Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

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WAS THERE REALLY A CENSUS DURING THE TIME OF CAESAR AUGUSTUS?
by Ted Wright|58554
Archaeology Illuminates & Affirms a Key Fact in the Christmas Story

By all counts, Luke’s gospel is a wealth of historical information.
He opens it this way:
Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us… it seemed good to me also, having had a perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, that you might know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed. (Luke 1:1;3-4)
Luke’s primary concern is order and accuracy, so that the recipient of the document (a certain Theophilus), “might know the certainty of those things in which he was instructed (v. 4).”
Not only is Luke’s account orderly, but it is also an excellent record of what truly happened that no-so-silent night, two thousand years ago.
The great classical archaeologist Sir William Ramsay, said that Luke was a “first-rate historian…”
One who writes “…historical works of the highest order, in which a writer commands excellent means of knowledge, either through personal acquaintance or through access to original authorities, and brings to the treatment of his subject genius, literary skill, and sympathetic historical insight into human character and the movement of events. Such an author seizes the critical events, concentrates the reader’s attention on them by giving them fuller treatment…”[1]
One such event to which Luke draws attention is a government census which took place during the reign of Augustus before Christ was born. This event is a pivotal event in the Christmas story and is often looked at with skepticism by some.
At the very beginning of Luke’s Christmas narrative in Luke 2:1-5 we are told that a census took place in the entire Roman world. The words are very familiar during Christmas as they are read aloud in so many sermons, plays, musicals and Christmas celebrations.
And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered, to Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child (Luke 2:1-5).
For many years, historians and scholars have pointed to the passage above mentioning the decree by Quirinius, as problematic if not completely inaccurate. Did a census really take place in the entire Roman world during that time, and did Mary & Joseph actually go up to Bethlehem to be registered, as Luke Gospel says?
New Testament scholar Dr. Harold W. Hoehner has summarized some of the top challenges faced by those who hold to the historical accuracy of Luke’s account.
He writes:
“[Emil] Schurer states that Luke cannot be historically accurate because: (1) nothing is known in history of a general census during the time of Augustus; (2) in a Roman census Joseph would have not had to travel to Bethlehem but would have registered in the principle town of his residence, and Mary would not have had to register at all; (3) no Roman census would have been made in Palestine during Herod’s reign; (4) Josephus records nothing of a Roman census in Palestine in the time of Herod – rather the census of A.D. 6-7 was something new among the Jews; and (5) a census held under Quirinius could not have occurred during Herod’s reign for Quirinius was not governor until after Herod’s death.”[2]
At first glance, these objections to the Roman census during the reigns of emperor [Imperator] Caesar Augustus (Octavius) and governor [legatus] Quirinus may seem insurmountable and quite difficult to answer, but an honest appraisal of the historical and archaeological evidence suggests that they are not.
The objections we will answer here are 1 and 2 – (1) the claim that nothing is known in the history of a general census during the time of Augustus, and (2) that in a Roman census Mary & Joseph would not have had to travel to Bethlehem to register.
Was There Census During the Reign of Augustus in the Roman World?

Roman denarius
It is a commonly held assumption that the decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world was to be taxed, was a single census [a single event] in the entire Roman empire. The question is, is this how Luke understood it, or intended it to be understood? Very likely, not.
According to Hoehner, “What is meant is that censuses were taken at different times in different provinces – Augustus being the first one in history to order a census or tax assessment of the whole provincial empire. This is further substantiated by the fact that Luke uses the present tense indicating that Augustus ordered censuses to be taken regularly, rather than only one time.”[3]
New Testament historian Jack Finegan says, “As to the taking of such an enrollment in general, it is known from discoveries among the Egyptian papyri that a Roman census was taken in Egypt, and therefore perhaps also throughout the empire regularly, every fourteen years. Many actual census returns have been found, and they use the very same word (ἀπογράφω) which Luke 2:2 uses for the “enrollment.”[4]
The specific census which Luke mentions (Lk. 2:2), is that it “first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria.”
Apart from Luke, we have two other historical sources concerning Quirinius – the Roman historian, Tacitus (Annals 3.48) and the Jewish/Roman historian, Flavius Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews 18.1-2).
According to Tacitus (Annals 3.48), P. Sulpicius Quirinius died in A.D. 21.
Josephus’s reference to Quirinius in Antiquities of the Jews (18, I,1.) poses somewhat of a problem, because he informs us that the “taxings conducted by Quirinius while governing Syria were made in the thirty-seventh year of Caesar’s victory over [Marc] Anthony at Actium in 31 B.C. This would place the census in about A.D. 6/7, a date which is too late to be brought into alignment with the birth of Christ which was likely in the winter 5/4 B.C.[5]
In Luke’s account in Luke 2:2, he speaks of a census which “first” took place when Quirinius was governing Syria, so it is not out of the question that the census to which Josephus is referring was the second one, while Luke mentions the “first” one [i.e the earlier one].
Gleason Archer also notes that Luke, “was therefore well aware of the second census, taken by Quirinius in A.D. 7, which Josephus alludes to… We know this because Luke (who lived much closer to the time that Josephus did) also quotes Gamaliel as alluding to the insurrection of Judas of Galilee “in the days of census taking” (Acts 5:37).[6]
Additional evidence also seems to suggest that Quirinius served as governor twice which would then put him in an official position over Syria to enact the census of Luke 2:2. In 1784, a Latin inscription was discovered near Tivoli, located about twenty miles east of Rome. It is known as the Lapis Tiburtinus inscription, and according to Jack Finegan it, “…contains the statement of a high Roman official that when he became governor of Syria he entered the office for the second time (Latin, iterum). It has even been thought that this personage might have been Quirinius…”[7]
Whatever the identity is of the Roman official mentioned in the inscription, at minimum shows that it was not uncommon for Roman procurators to have served twice, and maximally it may eventually reveal that it was Quirinius himself, through further research.
Is it Plausible that Mary & Joseph Traveled to Bethlehem for the Census?
Luke 2:4-5 states: And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child.

Mary & Joseph traveling to Bethlehem
Objection 2 listed above states, that in a Roman census Joseph would have not had to travel to Bethlehem, but would have registered in the principle town of his residence, and Mary would not have had to register at all.
It was generally understood that Roman law instructed property owners to register for taxation in the district where they owned land. However, “…a papyrus dated to A.D. 104, records an Egyptian prefect who ordered Egyptians to return to their ancestral homes so that a census could be taken. In the first century Rome, since the Jews’ property was linked to their fathers (i.e. patriarchal), the Romans would certainly have allowed them the custom of laying claim to their family estate for taxation.”[8]
Since every person needed to appear in his ancestral homeland and since Mary was betrothed to Joseph, and pregnant with child, the two traveled to Bethlehem together. Surely Mary & Joseph would have understood the Scriptures, and the prophecies concerning Israel’s Messiah – that He must be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). It must have been truly amazing from their perspective, to see pieces of the Messianic puzzle fall in place – even if the pieces were official decrees from the Roman empire!
Once again, when Scripture is placed under the scrutiny of historical and archaeological research, it stands the test in amazing ways.
This is but one small example of where archaeology and history corroborate the Scripture to the finest detail. Luke’s gospel is just the first part of a two-volume set in which Acts is the second. Colin Hemer’s massive study, The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History details at least 84 facts in the last 16 chapters of Acts that have been confirmed by either historical or archeological research.
Truly Luke is indeed a remarkable historian. Like Theophilus, we can know the certainty of the things in which we have been instructed (the Gospel of Jesus Christ).
Jesus Came In the Fullness of Time
In Galatians 4:4 the Apostle Paul wrote: But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
When Jesus the Messiah arrived, His timing was perfect! From the appearing of the star to the wise men to the taking of the census by Rome, it was not too soon, and not too late. His first coming was not only perfect chronologically and historically, it was perfect in God’s providential time.
If Christ’s first coming is any indication of what the Second coming will be like – we can rest assured that the timing of His Second Coming (Revelation 19:11-21) will be right on God’s perfect divine time, once again.
[1] William Ramsay, Saint Paul: The Traveler and Roman Citizen (Grand Rapids: Kregel Publications, 2001 reprint), 16.
[2] Harold W. Hoehner, Chronological Aspects of the Life of Christ (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 1977), 14.
[3] Ibid., 15
[4] Jack Finegan, Light from the Ancient Past: The Archaeological Background of the Hebrew-Christian Religion, Volume II (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1969), 258.
[5] See Finegan, Ibid., 259, See also Hoehner’s work on this date which goes into much more detail in the original sources; Chronological Aspects of the Life of Christ (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1977), especially Chapter 1, ‘The Date of Christ’s Birth,’ pp. 29-44.
[6] Gleason L. Archer, Jr., New International Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1982),
[7] See, Jack Finegan, Handbook of Biblical Chronology: Principles of Time Reckoning in the Ancient World and Problems of Chronology in the Bible, Revised Edition (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers, 1998), p. 304. A view also held by William Ramsay, Bearing of Recent Discoveries on the Trustworthiness of the New Testament, 4th Ed., London, 1920, pp. 275-300.
[8] See, Harold Hoehner, p.15

 

[HaShev]

That's odd because most of the Jews who post on this board are atheists.

I am a Jew and certainly NOT an atheist.

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

I see religion as a very private thing.

Why do Jews feel they have to shout their religion from the rooftops?

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you must be joking -

there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

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there in lies the issue what beheld those that crucified the innocent to remain secret.

Or maybe you just don't understand the first thing about teaching.

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really, what might that be - your choice for who was to live, pray tell the reason, learned one.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.

Much simpler, that a student believes he reached the conclusion on his own,
that way the information is received with less mental abstraction.

Much like Christianity and Islam are essentially a cultural reform in response to Jewish tradition,
but still express uniquely each in their subjective archetypes.

.
you avoid the subject matter, the life saved as offered was not the one of your own you rather crucified, what's your secret jew the student will discover for themselves. the undoing of noah. to the present day.

Well, if he did exist and claim what Paul claimed he did,
then his death proves he was a false messiah.

Which leads me to another question:

The really funny thing about this man is that he knows all about Pontius Pilate and how terrible he was and yet most of what is actually known about him seems to come from the New Testament. Obviously, Pilate seems to have been less than "sensitive" around the Jews(likely true of most Romans). But the only reason anything is known concerning this man rests almost entirely on his connection to Jesus. We even know (according to the scriptures) that his wife wanted Pilate to have nothing to do with the whole Jesus "thing" on account of some dream she had. If we can trust the Bible on what is reports regarding Pilate, why can't we accept what the Bible says regarding Jesus?

Because the Christian Bible is compiled and authorized by Rome the authority which killed most of the Christ figures used for their acts of Jesus and those accounts say the character lived in the time of Lysanias (died in 35bc) and king Herod (died 4bc) (Yehuda the Galilean's era died 6bc) but Pilate is an A.D. era character and the only christ in that era was Theudas by the Jordan river.

According to whom? The Temple at Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Jerusalem was pretty much deserted after that. Yashua of Nazareth was crucified around the age of 30 years of age.
I'm going to consider this narrative as among the best: What Year Was Yeshua the Messiah Nailed to the Tree?

Have you done the math?
Herod died in 4bc the census was in 7bc they fallaciously moved Jesus birthdate to 6bc to try and fit the Herod acct & king Herod's existance, but it still did not fit the census year in the accts nor Lysanias' death in 35bc. Now you said Jesus died 33 y.o. and lived in Pilate'a era, that'a impossible, however if Jesus is compiled of many Christ figures then that is why there are many eras figures accts compiled along with 2 ages he lived to 33 and closer to 50 says John. 2 hometowns (nt says Capernaum you guys however teach Nazareth, 2 professions fisherman and carpenter, Paul & James fighting that the other is worshiping another Christ,
2 methods of prosecution 1)cross but
2)NT says slew (stoned) and hanged.
2 blames. Rome prosecuted the crucified Yehuda and Theudas but the 100b.c. Yeshu son of Mary was sentenced by his peers to a hanging on passover. You are using the historical name of an 100bc figure a far cry from the Pilate era thus discussing the third christ used for the image called Jesus.
Changing a Jewish name to a new non transliterated greek name is only done when creating a new name for a compiled figure who's historical names need to combine into one given the icon. The fact Rome used the slang Ie(the)Sous(swine) is a dead give away that they were mocking the faith they were compiling into their new 1 world religion=because pigs were forbidden=falling for the imposter/ image of the fallen man was forbidden.

Sources for hanging on a tree;
The crucified christs were Yehuda and Theudas, but Yeshu son of Mary was slew and hanged in the Talmud even acct in Nt in
Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29,
1 Peter 2:24.:

Sources for Capernaum being his home town:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc....

Sources for The many Christs -
Yeshu son of Mary 100bc
Yehuda ben Tabbai 100bc

The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE)
The only Ad era at that time was
Theudas by the Jordan
Benjamin the Egyptian was a christ figure but I don't recall his era.
Later in 70 ad of course was BARACOPA who had
a large following until he failed his liberation...
*hint hint-Jesus (all the fallen christs)failed their liberation*

The Widows mite accountrd in the NT story is a Jannaeus Alexander coin.
There was no Herod Killing Babies event but Yeshu son of Mary in 100bc did flee the Jannaeus revolt towards Egypt with his mentor Rabbi Yohoshua ben Parachya.
This Rabbi is accurately dated as is King Jannaeus who's wife was Salome (friend & follower of Yeshu)who historically recorded reinstated appointed Shimon head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church).

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS.
Interestingly, the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.


Theudas came after Yehuda Acts inaccuracies

New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two

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Historical reliability of the Acts of the Apostles - Wikipedia

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WAS THERE REALLY A CENSUS DURING THE TIME OF CAESAR AUGUSTUS?
by Ted Wright|58554
Archaeology Illuminates & Affirms a Key Fact in the Christmas Story

By all counts, Luke’s gospel is a wealth of historical information.
He opens it this way:
Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us… it seemed good to me also, having had a perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, that you might know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed. (Luke 1:1;3-4)
Luke’s primary concern is order and accuracy, so that the recipient of the document (a certain Theophilus), “might know the certainty of those things in which he was instructed (v. 4).”
Not only is Luke’s account orderly, but it is also an excellent record of what truly happened that no-so-silent night, two thousand years ago.
The great classical archaeologist Sir William Ramsay, said that Luke was a “first-rate historian…”
One who writes “…historical works of the highest order, in which a writer commands excellent means of knowledge, either through personal acquaintance or through access to original authorities, and brings to the treatment of his subject genius, literary skill, and sympathetic historical insight into human character and the movement of events. Such an author seizes the critical events, concentrates the reader’s attention on them by giving them fuller treatment…”[1]
One such event to which Luke draws attention is a government census which took place during the reign of Augustus before Christ was born. This event is a pivotal event in the Christmas story and is often looked at with skepticism by some.
At the very beginning of Luke’s Christmas narrative in Luke 2:1-5 we are told that a census took place in the entire Roman world. The words are very familiar during Christmas as they are read aloud in so many sermons, plays, musicals and Christmas celebrations.
And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered, to Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child (Luke 2:1-5).
For many years, historians and scholars have pointed to the passage above mentioning the decree by Quirinius, as problematic if not completely inaccurate. Did a census really take place in the entire Roman world during that time, and did Mary & Joseph actually go up to Bethlehem to be registered, as Luke Gospel says?
New Testament scholar Dr. Harold W. Hoehner has summarized some of the top challenges faced by those who hold to the historical accuracy of Luke’s account.
He writes:
“[Emil] Schurer states that Luke cannot be historically accurate because: (1) nothing is known in history of a general census during the time of Augustus; (2) in a Roman census Joseph would have not had to travel to Bethlehem but would have registered in the principle town of his residence, and Mary would not have had to register at all; (3) no Roman census would have been made in Palestine during Herod’s reign; (4) Josephus records nothing of a Roman census in Palestine in the time of Herod – rather the census of A.D. 6-7 was something new among the Jews; and (5) a census held under Quirinius could not have occurred during Herod’s reign for Quirinius was not governor until after Herod’s death.”[2]
At first glance, these objections to the Roman census during the reigns of emperor [Imperator] Caesar Augustus (Octavius) and governor [legatus] Quirinus may seem insurmountable and quite difficult to answer, but an honest appraisal of the historical and archaeological evidence suggests that they are not.
The objections we will answer here are 1 and 2 – (1) the claim that nothing is known in the history of a general census during the time of Augustus, and (2) that in a Roman census Mary & Joseph would not have had to travel to Bethlehem to register.
Was There Census During the Reign of Augustus in the Roman World?

Roman denarius
It is a commonly held assumption that the decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world was to be taxed, was a single census [a single event] in the entire Roman empire. The question is, is this how Luke understood it, or intended it to be understood? Very likely, not.
According to Hoehner, “What is meant is that censuses were taken at different times in different provinces – Augustus being the first one in history to order a census or tax assessment of the whole provincial empire. This is further substantiated by the fact that Luke uses the present tense indicating that Augustus ordered censuses to be taken regularly, rather than only one time.”[3]
New Testament historian Jack Finegan says, “As to the taking of such an enrollment in general, it is known from discoveries among the Egyptian papyri that a Roman census was taken in Egypt, and therefore perhaps also throughout the empire regularly, every fourteen years. Many actual census returns have been found, and they use the very same word (ἀπογράφω) which Luke 2:2 uses for the “enrollment.”[4]
The specific census which Luke mentions (Lk. 2:2), is that it “first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria.”
Apart from Luke, we have two other historical sources concerning Quirinius – the Roman historian, Tacitus (Annals 3.48) and the Jewish/Roman historian, Flavius Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews 18.1-2).
According to Tacitus (Annals 3.48), P. Sulpicius Quirinius died in A.D. 21.
Josephus’s reference to Quirinius in Antiquities of the Jews (18, I,1.) poses somewhat of a problem, because he informs us that the “taxings conducted by Quirinius while governing Syria were made in the thirty-seventh year of Caesar’s victory over [Marc] Anthony at Actium in 31 B.C. This would place the census in about A.D. 6/7, a date which is too late to be brought into alignment with the birth of Christ which was likely in the winter 5/4 B.C.[5]
In Luke’s account in Luke 2:2, he speaks of a census which “first” took place when Quirinius was governing Syria, so it is not out of the question that the census to which Josephus is referring was the second one, while Luke mentions the “first” one [i.e the earlier one].
Gleason Archer also notes that Luke, “was therefore well aware of the second census, taken by Quirinius in A.D. 7, which Josephus alludes to… We know this because Luke (who lived much closer to the time that Josephus did) also quotes Gamaliel as alluding to the insurrection of Judas of Galilee “in the days of census taking” (Acts 5:37).[6]
Additional evidence also seems to suggest that Quirinius served as governor twice which would then put him in an official position over Syria to enact the census of Luke 2:2. In 1784, a Latin inscription was discovered near Tivoli, located about twenty miles east of Rome. It is known as the Lapis Tiburtinus inscription, and according to Jack Finegan it, “…contains the statement of a high Roman official that when he became governor of Syria he entered the office for the second time (Latin, iterum). It has even been thought that this personage might have been Quirinius…”[7]
Whatever the identity is of the Roman official mentioned in the inscription, at minimum shows that it was not uncommon for Roman procurators to have served twice, and maximally it may eventually reveal that it was Quirinius himself, through further research.
Is it Plausible that Mary & Joseph Traveled to Bethlehem for the Census?
Luke 2:4-5 states: And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child.

Mary & Joseph traveling to Bethlehem
Objection 2 listed above states, that in a Roman census Joseph would have not had to travel to Bethlehem, but would have registered in the principle town of his residence, and Mary would not have had to register at all.
It was generally understood that Roman law instructed property owners to register for taxation in the district where they owned land. However, “…a papyrus dated to A.D. 104, records an Egyptian prefect who ordered Egyptians to return to their ancestral homes so that a census could be taken. In the first century Rome, since the Jews’ property was linked to their fathers (i.e. patriarchal), the Romans would certainly have allowed them the custom of laying claim to their family estate for taxation.”[8]
Since every person needed to appear in his ancestral homeland and since Mary was betrothed to Joseph, and pregnant with child, the two traveled to Bethlehem together. Surely Mary & Joseph would have understood the Scriptures, and the prophecies concerning Israel’s Messiah – that He must be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). It must have been truly amazing from their perspective, to see pieces of the Messianic puzzle fall in place – even if the pieces were official decrees from the Roman empire!
Once again, when Scripture is placed under the scrutiny of historical and archaeological research, it stands the test in amazing ways.
This is but one small example of where archaeology and history corroborate the Scripture to the finest detail. Luke’s gospel is just the first part of a two-volume set in which Acts is the second. Colin Hemer’s massive study, The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History details at least 84 facts in the last 16 chapters of Acts that have been confirmed by either historical or archeological research.
Truly Luke is indeed a remarkable historian. Like Theophilus, we can know the certainty of the things in which we have been instructed (the Gospel of Jesus Christ).
Jesus Came In the Fullness of Time
In Galatians 4:4 the Apostle Paul wrote: But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
When Jesus the Messiah arrived, His timing was perfect! From the appearing of the star to the wise men to the taking of the census by Rome, it was not too soon, and not too late. His first coming was not only perfect chronologically and historically, it was perfect in God’s providential time.
If Christ’s first coming is any indication of what the Second coming will be like – we can rest assured that the timing of His Second Coming (Revelation 19:11-21) will be right on God’s perfect divine time, once again.
[1] William Ramsay, Saint Paul: The Traveler and Roman Citizen (Grand Rapids: Kregel Publications, 2001 reprint), 16.
[2] Harold W. Hoehner, Chronological Aspects of the Life of Christ (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 1977), 14.
[3] Ibid., 15
[4] Jack Finegan, Light from the Ancient Past: The Archaeological Background of the Hebrew-Christian Religion, Volume II (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1969), 258.
[5] See Finegan, Ibid., 259, See also Hoehner’s work on this date which goes into much more detail in the original sources; Chronological Aspects of the Life of Christ (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1977), especially Chapter 1, ‘The Date of Christ’s Birth,’ pp. 29-44.
[6] Gleason L. Archer, Jr., New International Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1982),
[7] See, Jack Finegan, Handbook of Biblical Chronology: Principles of Time Reckoning in the Ancient World and Problems of Chronology in the Bible, Revised Edition (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers, 1998), p. 304. A view also held by William Ramsay, Bearing of Recent Discoveries on the Trustworthiness of the New Testament, 4th Ed., London, 1920, pp. 275-300.
[8] See, Harold Hoehner, p.15

none of that is relevant to Lysanias dying in 35bc and Herod in 4bc forcing the move back date of Jesus to 6bc still missing Lysanias era by decades.
The post selectively tried to address just 1 issue which From what I see did not even do that, and this tactic is called an ad hominem response which is intellectually dishonest.
Furthermore the response brought up another issue that makes things worse, that being how can you mention Nazareth in writings pre 90ad whereby historical records show Roman military letters given to Roman soldiers to build the town of Nazareth in 90ad.
Nazarene means guardians (of the NT) not a Nazarite from a town established in 90ad.
The character is said to be from Capernaum not Nazareth a town yet built.
Capernaum Sources: his hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc