"Fingerprint" of Greenland ice melt seen in satellite sea level data

[Toddsterpatriot]

electricity usage used to perform work does not produce heat. It performs work.

And what percentage performs the work? Link?

 

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Right. How much of that was due to air circulating around the panels all day?

Are you insinuating there is no incremental cooling effect from photons being converted into electricity?

 

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Can photons from 0 C matter hit 100 C matter?

Are you insinuating there is no incremental cooling effect from photons being converted into electricity?

 

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And what percentage performs the work? Link?

Are you insinuating that you don’t need to account for work performed?

 

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Any solar radiation that is converted into electricity is solar radiation that will still heat the surface of the planet.

Dumbest statement ever made.

 

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My claim is that the widespread use of solar power is a bad idea in the middle of an ice age because converting photons into electricity reduces the effective solar radiation the earth receives.

Todd is arguing that when the electricity is used it heats the surface of the planet just like solar radiation striking the planet does which is stupid.

A large portion of electricity usage is used to perform work and the amount of energy used to perform that work must be subtracted from the total and that only the friction created from doing that work created heat. Furthermore what heat that is created from electricity usage doesn’t heat the surface of the planet. It heats the surrounding air. And what heat that is close to the surface doesn’t heat the surface like photons do. It radiates in all directions. So a good portion of that heat does not heat the surface of the planet.

And lastly even if waste heat from electricity usage heated the surface in exactly the same way as photons do that there would still be an incremental cooling effect because the waste heat is the same in both cases. Replacing fossil fuels with solar does not increase the amount of waste heat generated. But the generation of electricity effectively reduces the incoming solar radiation by converting photons into electricity that would have otherwise produced heat.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you insinuating there is no incremental cooling effect from photons being converted into electricity?

I'm insisting that moving heat from a panel to a city doesn't result in net cooling.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you insinuating there is no incremental cooling effect from photons being converted into electricity?

Can photons from 0 C matter hit 100 C matter?

Or is there a force field protecting the 100 C matter?

Do the "cooler" photons avoid the warmer matter?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dumbest statement ever made.

the photons being converted into electricity more than offset the increased solar radiation absorbed by the lower albedo PV cells.

DURR

 

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I'm insisting that moving heat from a panel to a city doesn't result in net cooling.

I already addressed that. You have not addressed what I wrote.

 

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Can photons from 0 C matter hit 100 C matter?

Or is there a force field protecting the 100 C matter?

Do the "cooler" photons avoid the warmer matter?

So that’s a yes, you are insinuating there is no incremental cooling effect from converting photons into electricity?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So that’s a yes, you are insinuating there is no incremental cooling effect from converting photons into electricity?

No net cooling from moving heat around.

 

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Any mechanical machine that performs work will produce waste heat as a byproduct due to friction. The standard efficiency factor used for calculating power requirements is 90% for new equipment and 80% for used equipment. So there is somewhere between 10 to 20% losses due to friction. Which means that 80 to 90% of the electricity to power a mechanical device doing work is actually being used to perform work with the remaining 10 to 20% being lost as heat due to friction.

 

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No net cooling from moving heat around.

Already addressed that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Already addressed that.

I accept your concession.

 

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Todd believes that all electricity used heats the surface of the planet like solar radiation does. So dumb.

 

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I accept your concession.

You have to see it that way because you never addressed what I wrote.

 

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Any solar radiation that is converted into electricity is solar radiation that will still heat the surface of the planet

 

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Not all electricity usage produces waste heat. So Todd is wrong.

 

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What waste heat that is produced from electricity usage doesn’t warm the surface of the planet like solar radiation does. So Todd is wrong.