Former NASA director: Possible abrupt cooling!!!

[Billy_Bob]

The sun spots have stopped, quite a few times, this is the sort of thing that leads to a NATURAL cooling. Now, Natural cooling + MAN MADE warming does what?

Absolutely nothing. We are inconsequential when it come to the effects of the sun on the earth. So are volcanoes, wildfires, and cow farts.

Well that depends on what the sun does.

However the point is this. If the Sun goes through normal cycles, then Humans have basically been able to survive within these parameters for long enough to develop to this point. With man-made global warming on top of natural warming, we could potentially push this over the edge. Now, a period of global cooling doesn't mean much if we take it that we can do more damage to the planet, because when it comes back around again, and it will, we're going to push it over the edge.

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Above is the 450 thousand years before present. We spend most of our time 4-6 deg C lower than today's temps. The sun goes through these low cycles and cause the ice ages.. Note the rapid declines, happening in 10-30 years... Generally preceded by a peak lasting 20-30 years...

Guess what just happened the last 30 years..

Leading theory as to why ice ages come and go is earth wobble. Guess what's missing from every climate model....

Wobble caused by low geomagnetic bands... This is what happens when the sun goes quiet. Solar Magnetic bands are the weakest ever recorded today.. its like the string on your yo-yo going slack.. everything wobbles..

 

[Moonglow]

I am surprised the sun does not do it more often...Plus the magnetic field of Earth is reversing...

 

[Old Rocks]

North Atlantic ocean circulation and abrupt climate change during the last glaciation

1. L. G. Henry1,*,
2. J. F. McManus1,
3. W. B. Curry2,3,
4. N. L. Roberts4,
5. A. M. Piotrowski4,
6. L. D. Keigwin2

Abstract
The last ice age was characterized by rapid and hemispherically asynchronous climate oscillations, whose origin remains unresolved. Variations in oceanic meridional heat transport may contribute to these repeated climate changes, which were most pronounced during marine isotope stage 3 (MIS3), the glacial interval twenty-five to sixty thousand years ago. We examined climate and ocean circulation proxies throughout this interval at high resolution in a deep North Atlantic sediment core, combining the kinematic tracer Pa/Th with the deep water-mass tracer, δ13CBF. These indicators suggest reduced Atlantic overturning circulation during every cool northern stadial, with the greatest reductions during episodic Hudson Strait iceberg discharges, while sharp northern warming followed reinvigorated overturning. These results provide direct evidence for the ocean's persistent, central role in abrupt glacial climate change.

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Yes, the oceans have a direct influence on the glacial climate. And warming oceans are going to very much influence that climate.

Also, what does Dr. James Hansen have to do with this paper? I do not see his name on it.

 

[Billy_Bob]

North Atlantic ocean circulation and abrupt climate change during the last glaciation

1. 
   
   
   • L. G. Henry1,*,
   • J. F. McManus1,
   • W. B. Curry2,3,
   • N. L. Roberts4,
   • A. M. Piotrowski4,
   • L. D. Keigwin2

Abstract
The last ice age was characterized by rapid and hemispherically asynchronous climate oscillations, whose origin remains unresolved. Variations in oceanic meridional heat transport may contribute to these repeated climate changes, which were most pronounced during marine isotope stage 3 (MIS3), the glacial interval twenty-five to sixty thousand years ago. We examined climate and ocean circulation proxies throughout this interval at high resolution in a deep North Atlantic sediment core, combining the kinematic tracer Pa/Th with the deep water-mass tracer, δ13CBF. These indicators suggest reduced Atlantic overturning circulation during every cool northern stadial, with the greatest reductions during episodic Hudson Strait iceberg discharges, while sharp northern warming followed reinvigorated overturning. These results provide direct evidence for the ocean's persistent, central role in abrupt glacial climate change.

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Yes, the oceans have a direct influence on the glacial climate. And warming oceans are going to very much influence that climate.

Also, what does Dr. James Hansen have to do with this paper? I do not see his name on it.

James Hansen is manipulating his MODELS using this paper.. You failed to read the article.. what a surprise.... NOT!

 

[The Irish Ram]

Straight from the horses mouth. The UN:
"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.....We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy," said Edenhofer. The plan is to allow Third World countries to emit as much carbon dioxide as they wish -- because, as Edenhofer said, "in order to get rich one has to burn coal, oil or gas" -- while at the same time restricting emissions in advanced nations. This will, of course, choke economic growth in developed nations, but they deserve that fate as they "have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community, he said. "

You get it? It is distributing billions out of our pockets, and gifting our natural resources to whomever wants to use them as long as it isn't us. What on earth makes you think it is environmentally better for China to burn our coal unfiltered, than it is for us to burn it with all the filters in place?
And they are absolutely correct. It chokes economic growth in developed nations. We are being choked to death, not by pollution, but by the UN representatives we keep electing, while we insist on choking common sense to death.

 

[skookerasbil]

Note the exploding heads from the alarmists this Independence Day??!!! Any time a skeptic starts a thread, it goes immediately epic!!

Hmmm.........but we thought the science was settled?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What does the lab work show about the relationship between CO2 and temperature? Did we go too far in reducing our carbon footprint

 

[skookerasbil]

global...........energy.........imbalances!!!

Looking like those 3 words are going to be becoming far more prominent in upcoming years when "climate change" is being discussed. Certainly explains the big question no alarmist has an answer for: Why are some parts of the world seeing freezing cold temperatures for 9 months out of the year!!

Oh God......the AGW k00ks are going to have their heads exploding as this concept becomes more popular in the science community. Of course.........the industry will try to do everything to suppress it!!

 

[mamooth]

The study wasn't even about global cooling. It was about local cooling, over a rather long period (centuries), compared to our current fast global warming. And it points out such cycles stopped happening 10,000 years ago, probably because there's not enough ice around now for the feedback loop, meaning it's not going to happen now.

So, Skook is just being a raging 'tard again. Hence, it's not news.

And skook? The whole planet is telling deniers to STFU. Congratulations on taking losing to new heights.

 

[skookerasbil]

The study wasn't even about global cooling. It was about local cooling, over a rather long period (centuries), compared to our current fast global warming. And it points out such cycles stopped happening 10,000 years ago, probably because there's not enough ice around now for the feedback loop, meaning it's not going to happen now.

So, Skook is just being a raging 'tard again. Hence, it's not news.

And skook? The whole planet is telling deniers to STFU. Congratulations on taking losing to new heights.

Global Energy Imbalances s0n..........

The "whole planet"???

What planet? Not this planet s0n........nobody cares about this science shit which Ive schooled you dopers with many times!! Its a non-issue in the eyes of the electorate.............bottom of the barrel!!

Funny how the global warming industry has zero answers for all the cooling spots that exist......no answers. Because nobody knows shit about shit about future climate's.....unless you are from the University of Mars.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The sun spots have stopped, quite a few times, this is the sort of thing that leads to a NATURAL cooling. Now, Natural cooling + MAN MADE warming does what?

Absolutely nothing. We are inconsequential when it come to the effects of the sun on the earth. So are volcanoes, wildfires, and cow farts.

Well that depends on what the sun does.

However the point is this. If the Sun goes through normal cycles, then Humans have basically been able to survive within these parameters for long enough to develop to this point. With man-made global warming on top of natural warming, we could potentially push this over the edge. Now, a period of global cooling doesn't mean much if we take it that we can do more damage to the planet, because when it comes back around again, and it will, we're going to push it over the edge.

View attachment 80372

Above is the 450 thousand years before present. We spend most of our time 4-6 deg C lower than today's temps. The sun goes through these low cycles and cause the ice ages.. Note the rapid declines, happening in 10-30 years... Generally preceded by a peak lasting 20-30 years...

Guess what just happened the last 30 years..

Leading theory as to why ice ages come and go is earth wobble. Guess what's missing from every climate model....

And what often happens is people start getting better at putting complex information together over time.

 

[Billy_Bob]

The study wasn't even about global cooling. It was about local cooling, over a rather long period (centuries), compared to our current fast global warming. And it points out such cycles stopped happening 10,000 years ago, probably because there's not enough ice around now for the feedback loop, meaning it's not going to happen now.

So, Skook is just being a raging 'tard again. Hence, it's not news.

And skook? The whole planet is telling deniers to STFU. Congratulations on taking losing to new heights.

Too Funny:

That's why the Brits just exited the EU, the Assuises just purged their congress of these left wing fanatical idiots, Russia gave them the finger and dictators don't care...

Seem's to me that were not the ones in denial... You are.. and your loosing...

I think you've been smoking the wacky weed to long..

 

[skookerasbil]

even funnier.........snow in the Rockies this weekend................July 10th

Who's going to look pretty fucking stoopid this weekend??


Dang this forum is a rip...................

 

[jc456]

More bad news for the AGW alarmist nutters........

Who else is speculating about abrupt cooling? One name which might surprise you is former NASA GISS director James Hansen. From Ice melt, sea level rise and superstorms: evidence from paleoclimate data, climate modeling, and modern observations that 2 ◦C global warming could be dangerous p3774;




Evidently sons.....its not about planet temperature at all.........it far more about global energy inbalances, which scientists still don't know dick about...........

North Atlantic ocean circulation and abrupt climate change during the last glaciation | Science

Here's the deal.

There's NATURAL warming and cooling and there's MAN MADE warming.

The sun spots have stopped, quite a few times, this is the sort of thing that leads to a NATURAL cooling. Now, Natural cooling + MAN MADE warming does what? Well it depends on how much of each. The problem isn't the cooling, the problem is the natural warming after the natural cooling,

well CO2 cools not warms. So your first thought is not accurate so the rest is all flimflam.

here:

CO2
"These thermometers, the backs of which are shaded from direct incoming Sunlight with aluminium foil, read as follows :-

The pictures below demonstrate how simple it should be to show the "Greenhouse Effect" experimentally. Plastic greenhouses work just as well as glass ones. The size is not important either because as we know greenhouses come in all different shapes and sizes. These bottles are to all intents and purposes, mini greenhouses. The one on the right contains ordinary air and tap water and the one the left sparkling mineral water vigorously shaken to produce enough pure CO2 to fill the container.

These thermometers, the backs of which are shaded from direct incoming Sunlight with aluminium foil, read as follows :

Brown - Green 0 Blue +"

 

[Old Rocks]

even funnier.........snow in the Rockies this weekend................July 10th

Who's going to look pretty fucking stoopid this weekend??


Dang this forum is a rip...................

Damn. Dumb fuck east coasters. Snow at high elevations in the mountains of the West in July is hardly unusual. Whether the Rockies, Cascades, Sierras, or the Blues.

 

[jc456]

even funnier.........snow in the Rockies this weekend................July 10th

Who's going to look pretty fucking stoopid this weekend??


Dang this forum is a rip...................

Damn. Dumb fuck east coasters. Snow at high elevations in the mountains of the West in July is hardly unusual. Whether the Rockies, Cascades, Sierras, or the Blues.

well again, if it isn't unusual, then that means there is no climate change. doh!!!!

 

[frigidweirdo]

More bad news for the AGW alarmist nutters........

Who else is speculating about abrupt cooling? One name which might surprise you is former NASA GISS director James Hansen. From Ice melt, sea level rise and superstorms: evidence from paleoclimate data, climate modeling, and modern observations that 2 ◦C global warming could be dangerous p3774;




Evidently sons.....its not about planet temperature at all.........it far more about global energy inbalances, which scientists still don't know dick about...........

North Atlantic ocean circulation and abrupt climate change during the last glaciation | Science

Here's the deal.

There's NATURAL warming and cooling and there's MAN MADE warming.

The sun spots have stopped, quite a few times, this is the sort of thing that leads to a NATURAL cooling. Now, Natural cooling + MAN MADE warming does what? Well it depends on how much of each. The problem isn't the cooling, the problem is the natural warming after the natural cooling,

well CO2 cools not warms. So your first thought is not accurate so the rest is all flimflam.

here:

CO2
"These thermometers, the backs of which are shaded from direct incoming Sunlight with aluminium foil, read as follows :-

The pictures below demonstrate how simple it should be to show the "Greenhouse Effect" experimentally. Plastic greenhouses work just as well as glass ones. The size is not important either because as we know greenhouses come in all different shapes and sizes. These bottles are to all intents and purposes, mini greenhouses. The one on the right contains ordinary air and tap water and the one the left sparkling mineral water vigorously shaken to produce enough pure CO2 to fill the container.

These thermometers, the backs of which are shaded from direct incoming Sunlight with aluminium foil, read as follows :

Brown - Green 0 Blue +"

Your source isn't exactly top class is it? Who is your source exactly? Is it W R Pratt???

I have W R Pratt dead in 1962

Obituary: W. R. PRATT, M.B., Ch.B

I have one who gave a review on Amazon

Amazon.co.uk: W. R. Pratt's review of Verbatim 49091 Usb Speaker System Black

Vinton, Virginia

William R. Pratt

Working for Microsoft....

not really found this budding scientist who is so on top of it all he (or she) is using soda bottles.

The fact that this W R Pratt is missing is that while it's called the Greenhouse Effect, no one is saying the Earth is ACTUALLY a greenhouse, oh, except this guy, who makes greenhouses out of soda bottles. Also, he seems to be measuring the edge of the greenhouse, as in, he'd be saying the Greenhouse effect makes the STRATOSPHERE colder when the Earth's surface has more CO2.

Okay, let's just say not much of what he did makes much sense.

W. Pratt - Find Email Address, Phone Number & More.

 

[frigidweirdo]

even funnier.........snow in the Rockies this weekend................July 10th

Who's going to look pretty fucking stoopid this weekend??


Dang this forum is a rip...................

Damn. Dumb fuck east coasters. Snow at high elevations in the mountains of the West in July is hardly unusual. Whether the Rockies, Cascades, Sierras, or the Blues.

I saw Snow in Colorado in August, not that high up, lower than Estes Park, in 2000.

 

[jc456]

More bad news for the AGW alarmist nutters........

Who else is speculating about abrupt cooling? One name which might surprise you is former NASA GISS director James Hansen. From Ice melt, sea level rise and superstorms: evidence from paleoclimate data, climate modeling, and modern observations that 2 ◦C global warming could be dangerous p3774;




Evidently sons.....its not about planet temperature at all.........it far more about global energy inbalances, which scientists still don't know dick about...........

North Atlantic ocean circulation and abrupt climate change during the last glaciation | Science

Here's the deal.

There's NATURAL warming and cooling and there's MAN MADE warming.

The sun spots have stopped, quite a few times, this is the sort of thing that leads to a NATURAL cooling. Now, Natural cooling + MAN MADE warming does what? Well it depends on how much of each. The problem isn't the cooling, the problem is the natural warming after the natural cooling,

well CO2 cools not warms. So your first thought is not accurate so the rest is all flimflam.

here:

CO2
"These thermometers, the backs of which are shaded from direct incoming Sunlight with aluminium foil, read as follows :-

The pictures below demonstrate how simple it should be to show the "Greenhouse Effect" experimentally. Plastic greenhouses work just as well as glass ones. The size is not important either because as we know greenhouses come in all different shapes and sizes. These bottles are to all intents and purposes, mini greenhouses. The one on the right contains ordinary air and tap water and the one the left sparkling mineral water vigorously shaken to produce enough pure CO2 to fill the container.

These thermometers, the backs of which are shaded from direct incoming Sunlight with aluminium foil, read as follows :

Brown - Green 0 Blue +"

Your source isn't exactly top class is it? Who is your source exactly? Is it W R Pratt???

I have W R Pratt dead in 1962

Obituary: W. R. PRATT, M.B., Ch.B

I have one who gave a review on Amazon

Amazon.co.uk: W. R. Pratt's review of Verbatim 49091 Usb Speaker System Black

Vinton, Virginia

William R. Pratt

Working for Microsoft....

not really found this budding scientist who is so on top of it all he (or she) is using soda bottles.

The fact that this W R Pratt is missing is that while it's called the Greenhouse Effect, no one is saying the Earth is ACTUALLY a greenhouse, oh, except this guy, who makes greenhouses out of soda bottles. Also, he seems to be measuring the edge of the greenhouse, as in, he'd be saying the Greenhouse effect makes the STRATOSPHERE colder when the Earth's surface has more CO2.

Okay, let's just say not much of what he did makes much sense.

W. Pratt - Find Email Address, Phone Number & More.

so then you have an experiment that shows something different? let's see it. At least this dude did one. I haven't seen one from all of the so called experts. Not a one. again, one that shows CO2 affects temperatures. That one. Find it and post it up. If not, then mine stands.

 

[jc456]

even funnier.........snow in the Rockies this weekend................July 10th

Who's going to look pretty fucking stoopid this weekend??


Dang this forum is a rip...................

Damn. Dumb fuck east coasters. Snow at high elevations in the mountains of the West in July is hardly unusual. Whether the Rockies, Cascades, Sierras, or the Blues.

I saw Snow in Colorado in August, not that high up, lower than Estes Park, in 2000.

So guess what? Satellite data says the Earth is COOLING.

'Rapid cooling' underway: Big Drop In Earth’s June Temperatures According To Satellites

Well now there is this thread started today. Funny stuff. Kind of says what my experiment guy says.