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Garner failed to comply with a sensible and reasonable arrest by a officer of the law half his size, I am nor feeling the pain here. Why did he resist arrest? WHY? His health issues were not the primary concern of the NYPD. Selling ciggys illegally was not worth dying for. Garner was a like an Elephant and the cops were like ants. His health issues and his obesity seem secondary to his RACE.Garner was held down forcefully even after he was unconscious. Garner's offense did NOT call for the amount of force they used on him once he was cuffed. The cops were wrong and their action directly contributed/caused his death. They didn't even uncuff him when he was laying on the ground unconscious!
“It was pretty obvious this patient was in distress,” a source said. “His body was limp and lifeless.”
Yet none of the workers — nor the eight cops on hand — can be seen in the video administering any aid to Garner. One medic at Garner’s side doesn’t even have any of the required equipment on her, such as an oxygen bag or a defibrillator, the source said.
“You can [only] hear her say, ‘Oh, he can’t walk to the bus?’ ” the source said.
Garner should have been immediately placed on a stretcher, and his airway, breathing and circulation checked, sources said. Instead, EMT Nicole Palmeri can be seen only checking for a pulse. She never uses a stethoscope to check his lungs for air movement, a source said, nor does she connect him to an oxygen mask.
“Maybe the EMT felt a pulse, but it was obvious this male was in serious distress and needed to be assisted with his breathing,” the source said.
Undercover Officer Daniel Pantaleo was caught on video putting him in a chokehold — a violation of NYPD procedure.
Pantaleo has been named in two civil-rights lawsuits, one of which was settled by the city for $30,000, the Staten Island Advance reported Sunday. Pantaleo and three other officers unlawfully stopped a vehicle and strip-searched two men."
4 EMS workers barred from duty after chokehold death New York Post
7 min vid of no one giving Garner medical assistance, not cops, not ems (other than checking his pulse).
Cops didn 8217 t give medical assistance after chokehold New York Post
Ironic about M. Brown shoplifted a handful of cheap cigars, was fingered walking down the middle of a street strutting around too? Wow. Maybe the tobacco industry is at fault here? Or maybe people should just follow the laws and be more respectful.Why were taxes raised so high that a black market was created? Who passed the laws against selling untaxed cigarettes and created the cigarette task force? Who told the police to effect an arrest?
I'm sorry there was nothing honorable about this.Police when they are in the wrong should never be defended.Republicans we need to stop defending the police on this. Whose next on the cross hair?Yeah blame the cops, not the authorities that told them to crack down on these guys stealing customers from legitimate tax paying businesses and taxes from the city.
Here's the bottom line:
The crime rate has dropped drastically in New York City over the last 20 years. I mean it fell harder and faster than George Bush's economic fiasco in 2008.
("""Today, in an astonishing twist, New York is one of the safest cities in the country. Its current homicide rate is 18 percent of its 1990 total — its auto theft rate is 6 percent. The drop exceeded the wildest dreams of crime experts of the 1990s, and it’s a testament to this transformation that New Yorkers now seem more likely to complain about the city’s dullness than about its criminality....." What really cleaned up New York - Salon.com
But the city still maintains an active plus retired police force of 50,000.
(The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association of the City of New York (NYC PBA), the largest municipal police union in the United States, represents over 50,000 active and retired NYC police officers.)
So you have a lot of bored cops with nothing to do except bust small-time misdemeanors like Eric Garner. And just like any pack mentality, and the cops are full of that, things go bad quickly.
The answer is: reduce the police force, lay a bunch of them off. But the police unions in this country are too powerful, so that ain't gonna happen.
Make them wear cop-cams? Ha. Eric Garner's death proved that doesn't mean shit.
255,000 other misdemeanor arrests did not result in deaths of the perp, so wholesale changes such as you suggest would be over reacting.
Yes?
I am defending the institution of Law Enforcement and those who do it honorably while also stating that Garner said I can't breathe 11 times before he died.
At what point would any of us have relaxed that choke hold?
After the 3rd time?
Or the sixth?
Or the eighth, ninth or tenth time the man cried out for his life?
I stand with the Police and support them 100% unless they do wrong.
Then I call them on it but always I try to understand the situation as best I can before coming to a conclusion.
Usually that means after the legal system has done it's work.
Eric Garner should be alive today.
Why were taxes raised so high that a black market was created? Who passed the laws against selling untaxed cigarettes and created the cigarette task force? Who told the police to effect an arrest?
Ironic about M. Brown shoplifted a handful of cheap cigars, was fingered walking down the middle of a street strutting around too? Wow. Maybe the tobacco industry is at fault here? Or maybe people should just follow the laws and be more respectful.Why were taxes raised so high that a black market was created? Who passed the laws against selling untaxed cigarettes and created the cigarette task force? Who told the police to effect an arrest?
Somebody here said he deserved to die?Fox News' Bill O'Reilly Says Eric Garner Didn't Deserve To Die
Fox News Bill O Reilly Says Eric Garner Didn t Deserve To Die
So if this far right wingnut admits the truth, it just makes you wonder about the assholes on this board who are so far right they fell right off their flat earth with this one.
If cigarettes were sold in packs of 2 or 3 this business would not exist. Simple as that.
Garner failed to comply with a sensible and reasonable arrest by a officer of the law half his size, I am nor feeling the pain here. Why did he resist arrest? WHY? His health issues were not the primary concern of the NYPD. Selling ciggys illegally was not worth dying for. Garner was a like an Elephant and the cops were like ants. His health issues and his obesity seem secondary to his RACE.Garner was held down forcefully even after he was unconscious. Garner's offense did NOT call for the amount of force they used on him once he was cuffed. The cops were wrong and their action directly contributed/caused his death. They didn't even uncuff him when he was laying on the ground unconscious!
“It was pretty obvious this patient was in distress,” a source said. “His body was limp and lifeless.”
Yet none of the workers — nor the eight cops on hand — can be seen in the video administering any aid to Garner. One medic at Garner’s side doesn’t even have any of the required equipment on her, such as an oxygen bag or a defibrillator, the source said.
“You can [only] hear her say, ‘Oh, he can’t walk to the bus?’ ” the source said.
Garner should have been immediately placed on a stretcher, and his airway, breathing and circulation checked, sources said. Instead, EMT Nicole Palmeri can be seen only checking for a pulse. She never uses a stethoscope to check his lungs for air movement, a source said, nor does she connect him to an oxygen mask.
“Maybe the EMT felt a pulse, but it was obvious this male was in serious distress and needed to be assisted with his breathing,” the source said.
Undercover Officer Daniel Pantaleo was caught on video putting him in a chokehold — a violation of NYPD procedure.
Pantaleo has been named in two civil-rights lawsuits, one of which was settled by the city for $30,000, the Staten Island Advance reported Sunday. Pantaleo and three other officers unlawfully stopped a vehicle and strip-searched two men."
4 EMS workers barred from duty after chokehold death New York Post
7 min vid of no one giving Garner medical assistance, not cops, not ems (other than checking his pulse).
Cops didn 8217 t give medical assistance after chokehold New York Post
It was not an illegal choke hold.$6 a pack in taxes? Jesus Christ, that is ridiculous. I mean I don't smoke, but god damn that's just stealing from people.
And the cop who put this guy in the unauthorized choke hold should be charged with a crime .
It was not an illegal choke hold.$6 a pack in taxes? Jesus Christ, that is ridiculous. I mean I don't smoke, but god damn that's just stealing from people.
And the cop who put this guy in the unauthorized choke hold should be charged with a crime .
It violated NYPD protocols; it did not violate NY law.
The guy had been arrested thirty times.
He knew the procedure.
Don't want to die, don't resist arrest.
Very simple.
That's what the jury decided...so you're back to square one.common sense would do...no book necessary.Great idea! The cop should have a notebook with a list of all possible situations to refer to before taking any aggressive action. He could simply say..".don't move, sir while I check how I can fuck you up and not be held liable.".A choke hold should only be used serious crimes; selling cigarettes is not serious.
It was not an illegal choke hold.$6 a pack in taxes? Jesus Christ, that is ridiculous. I mean I don't smoke, but god damn that's just stealing from people.
And the cop who put this guy in the unauthorized choke hold should be charged with a crime .
It violated NYPD protocols; it did not violate NY law.
The guy had been arrested thirty times.
He knew the procedure.
Don't want to die, don't resist arrest.
Very simple.
Yes, I edited my post after you quoted but before you posted. It was no illegal, just against NYPD procedure.
Both of my parents died from smoking and drinking.My mother and father both died from lung cancer from smoking. Should THEY have died? I am over the hurt, my father also received a purple heart in WWII after being wounded in the war, its most probable his death was hastened by the industrial pollution he had to deal with after the war. Boo Ho for me. Nobody lives forever, that is a fact, we all have slings and arrows to deal with. Don't blame the NYPD.
Could they not have just written a ticket? This is night and day 180 degrees completely opposite of the Brown case. Nothing, not one thing, is the same. Did a guy selling cigs need to be taken down? Probably one block away illegal drugs were being sold. That being said, I do believe we should outlaw cigarettes as well or tax them to oblivion. Stick it to the idiots who smoke.
What humor? I was giving you instruction in line with your lower level of understanding, Vigilante.
Unrestrained police violence like that will escalate if not controlled.
It was not an illegal choke hold.$6 a pack in taxes? Jesus Christ, that is ridiculous. I mean I don't smoke, but god damn that's just stealing from people.
And the cop who put this guy in the unauthorized choke hold should be charged with a crime .
It violated NYPD protocols; it did not violate NY law.
The guy had been arrested thirty times.
He knew the procedure.
Don't want to die, don't resist arrest.
Very simple.
Yes, I edited my post after you quoted but before you posted. It was no illegal, just against NYPD procedure.
It only took me one arrest for smarting off to a cop to cure me for life.
I didn't need 30 lessons to get the routing down.
