France nukes deal with Iran

[Quantum Windbag]

Obama was trying to sell out all security interest in the Middle East, destroy Israel, and walk back another promise, all in the name of making a legacy deal for the history books. France, of all countries, said no.

France.

What does that say about the state of US foreign policy?

Not to worry though, Obama got a Nobel Prize for something, even if no one knows what it was.

Marathon talks between major powers and Iran failed on Sunday to produce a deal to freeze its nuclear program, puncturing days of feverish anticipation and underscoring how hard it will be to forge a lasting solution to Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Emerging from a last-ditch bargaining session that began Saturday and stretched past midnight, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton, and Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, said they had failed to overcome differences. They insisted they had made progress, however, and pledged to return to the table in 10 days to try again, albeit at a lower level.
“A lot of concrete progress has been made, but some differences remain,” Ms. Ashton said at a news conference early Sunday. She appeared alongside Mr. Zarif, who added, “I think it was natural that when we started dealing with the details, there would be differences.”
In the end, though, it was not only divisions between Iran and the major powers that prevented a deal, but fissures within the negotiating group. France objected strenuously that the proposed deal would do too little to curb Iran’s uranium enrichment or to stop the development of a nuclear reactor capable of producing plutonium.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/world/iran-nuclear-talks.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=1&

 

[American Horse]

It's good to see France step up and take leadership now that the US has shown it has sold out and no longer is up to a world leadership role, and France will replace the US as Israel's best ally most likely.

Israel will not allow Iran a viable nuclear weapon. If denied a bunker buster bomb by the US they can use a battlefield nuclear weapon as a last resort, so this could make things a lot more dangerous, and out of desperation and the removal of the best option by the US, the BBB.

 

[georgephillip]

Obama was trying to sell out all security interest in the Middle East, destroy Israel, and walk back another promise, all in the name of making a legacy deal for the history books. France, of all countries, said no.

France.

What does that say about the state of US foreign policy?

Not to worry though, Obama got a Nobel Prize for something, even if no one knows what it was.

Marathon talks between major powers and Iran failed on Sunday to produce a deal to freeze its nuclear program, puncturing days of feverish anticipation and underscoring how hard it will be to forge a lasting solution to Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Emerging from a last-ditch bargaining session that began Saturday and stretched past midnight, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton, and Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, said they had failed to overcome differences. They insisted they had made progress, however, and pledged to return to the table in 10 days to try again, albeit at a lower level.
“A lot of concrete progress has been made, but some differences remain,” Ms. Ashton said at a news conference early Sunday. She appeared alongside Mr. Zarif, who added, “I think it was natural that when we started dealing with the details, there would be differences.”
In the end, though, it was not only divisions between Iran and the major powers that prevented a deal, but fissures within the negotiating group. France objected strenuously that the proposed deal would do too little to curb Iran’s uranium enrichment or to stop the development of a nuclear reactor capable of producing plutonium.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/world/iran-nuclear-talks.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=1&

Obama doesn't hold Israel to the same standards as Iran anymore than Bush, Clinton, Carter or Reagan did.

"The Middle East nuclear weapon free zone (MENWFZ) is a proposed agreement similar to other Nuclear-weapon-free zones in other regions.

"Steps towards the establishment of such a zone began in the 1960s led to a joint declaration by Egypt and Iran in 1974 which resulted in a General Assembly resolution (broadened in 1990 to cover weapons of mass destruction)...[citation needed]"

"Israel is the only Mideast country believed to have a nuclear arsenal, which was developed in the 1960s.[2]

"Israel has been unwilling to discuss nuclear demilitarization except in the context of a comprehensive peace settlement including Palestinian issues and all of Israel’s neighbors, such as Syria and Iran.[3]

"Israel maintains a veil of 'studied ambiguity' ('amimut'), which Avner Cohen calls 'opacity,'[2] about its nuclear arsenal, and has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.[4]

"In December 2012, the United Nations General Assembly voted 176-6 in favor of a non-binding resolution calling on Israel to place its nuclear program under IAEA safeguards and join the NPT.

"Israel responded that the UN body 'has lost all its credibility regarding Israel with these types of routine votes that are ensured passage by an automatic majority and which single out Israel.'"

Israel and the US have no credibility to condemn Iranian nuclear ambitions in the Middle East since both countries never miss a chance to miss a chance at meaningful peace negotiations in that part of the world.

Middle East nuclear weapon free zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[skye]

France is teaching Obama-ass a necessary lesson in real-politik: you don't make stupid concessions if your deadly enemy doesn't make similar concessions and laugh at you with contempt and scorn behind your back . As was obvious months ago, these negotiations charade with Iran is getting nowhere and merely buying precious time for the enemy.

 

[georgephillip]

France is teaching Obama-ass a necessary lesson in real-politik: you don't make stupid concessions if your deadly enemy doesn't make similar concessions and laugh at you with contempt and scorn behind your back . As was obvious months ago, these negotiations charade with Iran is getting nowhere and merely buying precious time for the enemy.

Real-politiks usually serves as an excuse to privilege one antagonist over another. Since Israel is the only Middle Eastern state with nuclear weapons and it refuses to allow IAEA inspectors to view its nuclear facilities, what's your "red line" in these negotiations?

"Speaking before parliament, President Hassan Rouhani reiterated previous claims that uranium enrichment is a 'red line' that cannot be crossed.

"Nuclear rights in the international framework, including uranium enrichment, on its soil' are nonnegotiable, the semiofficial ISNA news agency cites him as saying. 'For us red lines are not crossable.'"

"Rouhani stressed Iran's parity with other states, saying 'we are not ready to accept discrimination, at all.'"

France stalls deal on Iran nuclear program, talks to resume shortly ? RT News

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

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Iran will get nukes and so will terrorists. Why? Cos Europe and America is weak minded pissants.

 

[skye]

France is teaching Obama-ass a necessary lesson in real-politik: you don't make stupid concessions if your deadly enemy doesn't make similar concessions and laugh at you with contempt and scorn behind your back . As was obvious months ago, these negotiations charade with Iran is getting nowhere and merely buying precious time for the enemy.

Real-politiks usually serves as an excuse to privilege one antagonist over another. Since Israel is the only Middle Eastern state with nuclear weapons and it refuses to allow IAEA inspectors to view its nuclear facilities, what's your "red line" in these negotiations?

"Speaking before parliament, President Hassan Rouhani reiterated previous claims that uranium enrichment is a 'red line' that cannot be crossed.

"Nuclear rights in the international framework, including uranium enrichment, on its soil' are nonnegotiable, the semiofficial ISNA news agency cites him as saying. 'For us red lines are not crossable.'"

"Rouhani stressed Iran's parity with other states, saying 'we are not ready to accept discrimination, at all.'"

France stalls deal on Iran nuclear program, talks to resume shortly ? RT News

Even assuming that Israel has a nuclear capability, the world thinks the real present and only catastrophic danger comes from Iran, otherwise quite obviously, mayor pressure would not be focused on that country.

It is amazing that every time that a Mid Eastern topic is discussed, the only sane and democratic country Israel, is immediately bombarded with the usual rubbishy dogma from the anti-Zionists.

This discussion is about Iran and France anyway.... so...

 

[Steven_R]

It's funny. The West seems to be dead set against keeping Iran from getting a bomb if it means doing anything beyond diplomats flapping their gums, but as soon as Hadji opens some canned sunshine in Berlin or Prague or Madrid or London, all we'll hear for eons in the press is "why didn't someone do something to stop Iran"?

 

[R.C. Christian]

Reactor 4 over there in Jap land is more likely to kill us than an Iranian nuke in the next 10 years.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Suffice it to say, the French aren't a bunch of pansies anymore.

France Steps In, Halts Iran Nuclear Deal, Calls Obama a "Sucker" - Atlas Shrugs

PARIS (Reuters) - France said on Saturday there was no certainty nuclear talks under way with Iran in Geneva would succeed because of major stumbling blocks over an initial proposed text on a deal.

Top diplomats from Iran and six world powers are in a third day of negotiations over Iran's nuclear program to try to end a decade-old standoff. The West suspects that Iran is enriching uranium to develop nuclear weapons capability. Tehran denies this.

"As I speak to you, I cannot say there is any certainty that we can conclude" the talks, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on France Inter radio, noting that France could not accept a "sucker's deal".

http://news.yahoo.com/france-says-n...-074725817.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CbQcX9S3lkAixXQtDMD

 

[skye]

Reactor 4 over there in Jap land is more likely to kill us than an Iranian nuke in the next 10 years.

crossing the street might kill us too... or we can choke and die on a chicken bone

so what is your point?..wait..... better not.... don't tell us!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Obama was trying to sell out all security interest in the Middle East, destroy Israel, and walk back another promise, all in the name of making a legacy deal for the history books. France, of all countries, said no.

France.

What does that say about the state of US foreign policy?

Not to worry though, Obama got a Nobel Prize for something, even if no one knows what it was.

Marathon talks between major powers and Iran failed on Sunday to produce a deal to freeze its nuclear program, puncturing days of feverish anticipation and underscoring how hard it will be to forge a lasting solution to Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Emerging from a last-ditch bargaining session that began Saturday and stretched past midnight, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton, and Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, said they had failed to overcome differences. They insisted they had made progress, however, and pledged to return to the table in 10 days to try again, albeit at a lower level.
“A lot of concrete progress has been made, but some differences remain,” Ms. Ashton said at a news conference early Sunday. She appeared alongside Mr. Zarif, who added, “I think it was natural that when we started dealing with the details, there would be differences.”
In the end, though, it was not only divisions between Iran and the major powers that prevented a deal, but fissures within the negotiating group. France objected strenuously that the proposed deal would do too little to curb Iran’s uranium enrichment or to stop the development of a nuclear reactor capable of producing plutonium.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/world/iran-nuclear-talks.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=1&

Obama doesn't hold Israel to the same standards as Iran anymore than Bush, Clinton, Carter or Reagan did.

"The Middle East nuclear weapon free zone (MENWFZ) is a proposed agreement similar to other Nuclear-weapon-free zones in other regions.

"Steps towards the establishment of such a zone began in the 1960s led to a joint declaration by Egypt and Iran in 1974 which resulted in a General Assembly resolution (broadened in 1990 to cover weapons of mass destruction)...[citation needed]"

"Israel is the only Mideast country believed to have a nuclear arsenal, which was developed in the 1960s.[2]

"Israel has been unwilling to discuss nuclear demilitarization except in the context of a comprehensive peace settlement including Palestinian issues and all of Israel’s neighbors, such as Syria and Iran.[3]

"Israel maintains a veil of 'studied ambiguity' ('amimut'), which Avner Cohen calls 'opacity,'[2] about its nuclear arsenal, and has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.[4]

"In December 2012, the United Nations General Assembly voted 176-6 in favor of a non-binding resolution calling on Israel to place its nuclear program under IAEA safeguards and join the NPT.

"Israel responded that the UN body 'has lost all its credibility regarding Israel with these types of routine votes that are ensured passage by an automatic majority and which single out Israel.'"

Israel and the US have no credibility to condemn Iranian nuclear ambitions in the Middle East since both countries never miss a chance to miss a chance at meaningful peace negotiations in that part of the world.

Middle East nuclear weapon free zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Has Israel ever used the nuclear weapons they may, or may not, have? Do you think that anyone would be safe if Iran had nukes? If the answer to either, or both, of those questions is no, then I don't see whatever point you are trying to make.

 

[Trajan]

Obama was trying to sell out all security interest in the Middle East, destroy Israel, and walk back another promise, all in the name of making a legacy deal for the history books. France, of all countries, said no.

France.

What does that say about the state of US foreign policy?

Not to worry though, Obama got a Nobel Prize for something, even if no one knows what it was.

Marathon talks between major powers and Iran failed on Sunday to produce a deal to freeze its nuclear program, puncturing days of feverish anticipation and underscoring how hard it will be to forge a lasting solution to Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Emerging from a last-ditch bargaining session that began Saturday and stretched past midnight, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton, and Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, said they had failed to overcome differences. They insisted they had made progress, however, and pledged to return to the table in 10 days to try again, albeit at a lower level.
“A lot of concrete progress has been made, but some differences remain,” Ms. Ashton said at a news conference early Sunday. She appeared alongside Mr. Zarif, who added, “I think it was natural that when we started dealing with the details, there would be differences.”
In the end, though, it was not only divisions between Iran and the major powers that prevented a deal, but fissures within the negotiating group. France objected strenuously that the proposed deal would do too little to curb Iran’s uranium enrichment or to stop the development of a nuclear reactor capable of producing plutonium.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/world/iran-nuclear-talks.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=1&

apparently obama has slowed the process already where by designations of Iranian financial assets, banks etc. that are to be sanctioned, has been softened/slowed etc. So hes used carrot's already....and they know theres no stick, sooooooooo.

and good for France..at least someone is still sane in all this.

 

[JoeB131]

It's good to see France step up and take leadership now that the US has shown it has sold out and no longer is up to a world leadership role, and France will replace the US as Israel's best ally most likely.

Israel will not allow Iran a viable nuclear weapon. If denied a bunker buster bomb by the US they can use a battlefield nuclear weapon as a last resort, so this could make things a lot more dangerous, and out of desperation and the removal of the best option by the US, the BBB.

Somehow, I don't think that the Zionists what an ally whose foriegn minister once said, "It's this shitty little country Israel that is causing all the problems in the world." (If only our politicians were so clear-sighted.)

Here's the reality- The Zionists don't have the balls to take out Iran by itself, they are trying to goad us into doing it for them.

There's also no reason for the Mullahs to give up their nukes.

Saddam gave up his nukes, and they killed him.
Qadafy gave up his nukes, and they killed him, too.

 

[novasteve]

Will the antisemitic left be happy with Arab countries getting the bomb too because that is what will happen

 

[novasteve]

It's good to see France step up and take leadership now that the US has shown it has sold out and no longer is up to a world leadership role, and France will replace the US as Israel's best ally most likely.

Israel will not allow Iran a viable nuclear weapon. If denied a bunker buster bomb by the US they can use a battlefield nuclear weapon as a last resort, so this could make things a lot more dangerous, and out of desperation and the removal of the best option by the US, the BBB.

Somehow, I don't think that the Zionists what an ally whose foriegn minister once said, "It's this shitty little country Israel that is causing all the problems in the world." (If only our politicians were so clear-sighted.)

Here's the reality- The Zionists don't have the balls to take out Iran by itself, they are trying to goad us into doing it for them.

There's also no reason for the Mullahs to give up their nukes.

Saddam gave up his nukes, and they killed him.
Qadafy gave up his nukes, and they killed him, too.

You consider Israel destroying osirak as a voluntary act of saddam?

 

[Votto]

Obama would rather sit down with someone who denies the Holocaust ever happened and someone who says Israel needs to be cast into the sea than he would Ted Cruz and company. He then compromises with them and refuses to compromise with conservatives.

I guess Obama can only compromise with people he can reason with.

 

[Sunni Man]

And yet people can't seem to figure out why Iran is paranoid and wants a nuclear deterrent against being attacked. .

 

[georgephillip]

France is teaching Obama-ass a necessary lesson in real-politik: you don't make stupid concessions if your deadly enemy doesn't make similar concessions and laugh at you with contempt and scorn behind your back . As was obvious months ago, these negotiations charade with Iran is getting nowhere and merely buying precious time for the enemy.

Real-politiks usually serves as an excuse to privilege one antagonist over another. Since Israel is the only Middle Eastern state with nuclear weapons and it refuses to allow IAEA inspectors to view its nuclear facilities, what's your "red line" in these negotiations?

"Speaking before parliament, President Hassan Rouhani reiterated previous claims that uranium enrichment is a 'red line' that cannot be crossed.

"Nuclear rights in the international framework, including uranium enrichment, on its soil' are nonnegotiable, the semiofficial ISNA news agency cites him as saying. 'For us red lines are not crossable.'"

"Rouhani stressed Iran's parity with other states, saying 'we are not ready to accept discrimination, at all.'"

France stalls deal on Iran nuclear program, talks to resume shortly ? RT News

Even assuming that Israel has a nuclear capability, the world thinks the real present and only catastrophic danger comes from Iran, otherwise quite obviously, mayor pressure would not be focused on that country.

It is amazing that every time that a Mid Eastern topic is discussed, the only sane and democratic country Israel, is immediately bombarded with the usual rubbishy dogma from the anti-Zionists.

This discussion is about Iran and France anyway.... so...

So most of the world believes the US and Israel are bigger threats to world peace than Iran is. Which raises the question of why any sane person would expect the greatest purveyor of violence in the world to be concerned with a peaceful resolution to Iran's non-existent nuclear problem.

 

[Katzndogz]

It's good to see France step up and take leadership now that the US has shown it has sold out and no longer is up to a world leadership role, and France will replace the US as Israel's best ally most likely.

Israel will not allow Iran a viable nuclear weapon. If denied a bunker buster bomb by the US they can use a battlefield nuclear weapon as a last resort, so this could make things a lot more dangerous, and out of desperation and the removal of the best option by the US, the BBB.

France will not support the new Iran/obama alliance, but the country that has stepped up as Israel's ally isn't France, it's Saudi Arabia.

The Israel-Saudi Alliance Against the US-Iran Talks | The Nation

This newly born alliance has to be taken in context. obama destroyed the relationship that America had with Saudi Arabia leaving them with no challenge to Iran but Israel.

obama's betrayal of all our former friends and alliances is changing the relationships of countries all across the world. Egypt is moving towards Russia, Turkey is moving closer to China. The left may have wanted Israel to be isolated and subjected to anything Iran wanted to do, but it's actually America being put in that position.