Freedom from ME oil.

[Cold Fusion38]

This is the SINGLE most important issue facing America today.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Come on people this issue deserves to be on the FRONT PAGE of EVERY message board. It needs to STAY on the front page until this problem is SOLVED!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Just put out IDEAS.......There may be an idea that no one else has ever considered.

 

[logical4u]

Hey I am ALL for using ALL the various types of energy production.....That being said I beleive that the ONLY way we will get 10-20 nuclear power plants up and running is if the FED gov't builds them and then leases them to power companies. They could cut through a lot of regs by invoking emminent domain.

The feds don't usually build nuke plants for civilian energy production. Duke power (NC) and Southern Energy (Georgia) are adding units (one unit typically generates over 1000 Mega watts) to some of their plants (this usually equals a large coal-fired plant or several gas turbines.

 

[logical4u]

Lets just get the fuck off enemy oil by NOT buying it anymore! Let's do that NOW. The free marketplace will come up with viable, economic alternatives real fast, and we'll bankrupt our enemies instead of financing them.

We need "country of origin" labels on the gas pumps, like we have for food, for starters. Let us vote with our dollars!

But more broadly, without government subsidies most alternatives aren't viable, and most ALL of them are actually worse for the environment than evil fossil fuels!

NO ONE wants a polluted planet. That fallacy is an ad-hom card the EnviroNazis love to play. If you're against AGW, you're a "denier" and like pollution. You don't care about the planet. All that rot. It's just typical attempts to quash debate. To squelch observations and even data. NONE of that is part of science, or the quest for knowledge.

The truth is, we do not know nor can we ever know all the effects of pollution. The ecosystem is so complex, our understanding of it is still in its infancy.

Currently the focus of the AGW theories is on CO2 emissions. Well, that's certainly a convenient devil, it's at least what, 18th on the list of greenhouse gases? Far behind the thousands of times more potent and dangerous NF3? But CO2 IS the one which is emitted by combustion of fossil fuels -- that evil oil and gas stuff.

Well, if the science is settled and there's no room for debate, let's get serious about it! Let's immediately ban ALL manufacture and use of CO2 for entertainment purposes -- fake "smoke" at rock concerts, sporting events, wrestling events, Hollywood special effects... Soda pop carbonation, paint ball guns, any and all toys... also for uses where it's been superseded, such as water treatment, fire fighting.... If it's REALLY so bad these are the cheapest, easiest and fastest ways to stop millions of tons of it from going into the atmosphere every year.

Also while we're at it, let's get that NF3 stopped by redesigning manufacturing processes so they don't produce and emit this highly dangerous for the environment gas. NF3 -- nitrogen trifluoride -- is a compound used in manufacture of flat panel televisions, computer displays, microcircuits, solar panels and is 17,000 times more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. Also stays in the atmosphere 800 times longer than CO2, yet you never hear anything about it, because it's not a product of fossil fuels combustion.

THESE are things they would do, and be calling for, if they really truly themselves believed in their own cause. But they don't, the cause is simply an excuse to gain more control over people's lives and line the pockets of special interests such as GE.

The "science was settled" that the Jews were inferior and had to go, too. What a convenient devil they were to Nazi Germany! Those who fail to learn the hard lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

By far the most towering idiocy of environmentalism is the harm to the environment most all "alternatives" do:

Lighting's dirty little secret: The swirly florescent bulbs that will by law be required, as incandescent bulbs are banned? Mercury. Where's it all gonna go, from the billions of these discarded? Into the groundwater! Love it!

Wind power's dirty little secret: It takes 4 barrels of oil per year, per wind turbine, for the gearbox. And another five barrels for the transformer below each turbine. And these turbines leak and sling this oil. Great for the groundwater!

Multiply those figures times a million, two million wind turbines planned -- and you see why oil magnates like Pickens are pushing this. They stand to sell millions of barrels of oil!

Dirty little secret of solar: The production of solar panels involves nitrogen trifluoride (NF3) emissions be released. NF3 is about 17,000 times more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. The concentration of it in the atmosphere has increased 20 fold during the last two decades by its use in manufacturing processes. The level is increasing 11 percent per year.

The weaker CO2 stays in the atmosphere up to 100 years. NF3 stays in the atmosphere for 700 years or more.

Dirty little secret of Hydrogen: Water Vapor is the product of combustion. Sounds great, right? But -- Water vapor is far and away the #1 greenhouse gas. This according to the IPCC and every other scientist on both sides of the issue. It's the one thing they do ALL agree on. Hmmm...

Dirty little secrets of Ethanol: Yeah, it's "cleaner" if you believe CO2 is really really bad, because it does produce less when combusted. But it also produces the definite pollutant and definite poison to all living things -- CO (Carbon Monoxide) 100 times more than gasoline! Also, it takes 1,200 gallons of water to make a gallon of this crap!

Cleaner little secret of gasoline powered internal combustion: Today's engines put out 95% fewer emissions than their 1970 counterparts!

It's what they DON'T tell us that really winds up hurting the environment in the long haul.

9 barrels a YEAR? That's nothing.

No one talks about Hyperion nuclear batteries. They been used for decades. They can't "melt down" because if they over heat, they shut off.

Hyperion Power Generation

Each unit costs $25 million and up, that is cost prohibitive, especially since it has to be changed out every 5 years.

 

[logical4u]

New nuke power plants actually produce HYDROGEN as a BY-PRODUCT! How cool is that?

There's no way the environuts would allow us to use something so wonderful as nuclear power, it's too dangerous remember? Forget that it could solve a lot of our energy problems.

a power plant that creates hydrogen as a byproduct would be SO cool
power the cars with hydrogen and the homes and business with the electricity

One of the problems with Hydrogen byproducts is operator error: it is really easy for it to BLOW UP, if not handled correctly. Worked at a place that captured hydrogen at one time, when I started it was a wasteland, not considered worth re-building. They bought the hydrogen they needed.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Well I am PRETTY sure that there would be a LOT of no smoking signs.

 

[mdn2000]

Like I said before I have even softened my stance on new drilling........That's a big change for me but I fell like it HAS to be done but OTHER things MUST also be done. We need to build wind farms, we need to build solar panels, we need to use hydro and tidal power plants, and we NEED our gov't to fund research to the logical conclusion of getting off of petrolium based fuels.

You need to research your ideas so you understand what your talking about and this is the problem with the debate, one side speaks of what they believe and are taught, they have not looked into what the idea of a tidal farm encompasses. Wind farms are being mandated by government, since when has the government ever been the good guys, they are not scientists, they are simply acting on political whims, or at the direction of lobbyists. Its all about making more money and having more power over people lives.

Wind farms are far from renewable, in ten seconds I found out they use tons of fiberglass, 1000's of tons. Now I will research what exactly fiberglass is, who makes it, which company, how they lobby the government, what the stock is doing, what are all the different materials go into the production of fiberglass.

People are brainwashed, look up your ideas, seriously, your hurting yourself, your country, the future.