Gas was high throughout trump admin.

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Gas was high throughout trump admin.

Along with corruption and criminality.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

2017	2.458	2.416	2.437	2.528	2.503	2.460	2.414	2.494	2.761	2.621	2.678	2.594
2018	2.671	2.705	2.709	2.873	2.987	2.970	2.928	2.914	2.915	2.943	2.736	2.457
2019	2.338	2.393	2.594	2.881	2.946	2.804	2.823	2.707	2.681	2.724	2.693	2.645
2020	2.636	2.533	2.329	1.938	1.961	2.170	2.272	2.272	2.274	2.248	2.200	2.284
2021	2.420	2.587	2.898	2.948	3.076	3.157	3.231	3.255	3.272	3.384	3.491	3.406
2022	3.413	3.611	4.322	4.213	4.545

U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)

Just saying, Republicans are full of crap.

It’s different for Republican presidents – such is the right’s dishonesty and hypocrisy.

 

[Dagosa]

Let's go back to what you said. You said:

We looked at how much energy comes from the sun on to the surface of the car. I said 12 hours per day and you said 8 hours. Whatever.

Let's understand that a gallon of gasoline has over 35kWh of energy. This is science stuff and a lot of folks have difficulty here. Do you understand that a car cannot run all night on the amount of energy from (your 8 hours) less than 2 gallons of gasoline?

We can later get into the fact that current solar panels can only collect a fourth of the energy that comes in and the fact that a moving vehicle encounters shadows and clouds.

You are making the silly assumption that because a gas engine can’t run all night on two gallons of gasoline, an electric car with an electric motor can’t on the the same energy density.
That’s ridiculous. At average speed of 40 mph mixed driving, a gas engine can easily run for two to three hours. An electric motor which is minimally three times as efficient can run minimally, three times as long...that’s easily over 9 hours. In city driving or anywhere with regenerative braking, you can easily top 9-10 hours. Again, your trying to say ICE motors use energy at the same rate....horrible assumption.
At some point, we will easily have city traffic EVs that can operate an entire day of 24 hours n one charge.

 

[Dagosa]

Let's go back to what you said. You said:

We looked at how much energy comes from the sun on to the surface of the car. I said 12 hours per day and you said 8 hours. Whatever.

Let's understand that a gallon of gasoline has over 35kWh of energy. This is science stuff and a lot of folks have difficulty here. Do you understand that a car cannot run all night on the amount of energy from (your 8 hours) less than 2 gallons of gasoline?

We can later get into the fact that current solar panels can only collect a fourth of the energy that comes in and the fact that a moving vehicle encounters shadows and clouds.

One simple fact that plays into the EVs hand. Globally the average speed a car travels is less then 20 mph. Gas engines are far less efficient doing this, while EVs are far more efficient. In a world we live in, EVs should be a primary mode of surface transportation......even if one mistakenly feels global warming didn’t exist.

 

[Dagosa]

Add clouds & shadows and it gets worse.

Clouds and even shade ? Solar cells still work at 50% the capacity of direct sunlight. They don’t stop working and do remarkable picking up energy from reflections from surrounding structures…..

 

[Redfish]

It just started going up after war in Ukraine, Iran and Saudi are pro Russia, and Saudi won't put out many barrels and they use to under tramp.

wrong, under Trump we were energy independent, we produced all we needed and actually exported some oil and gas.

 

[Redfish]

Clouds and even shade ? Solar cells still work at 50% the capacity of direct sunlight. They don’t stop working and do remarkable picking up energy from reflections from surrounding structures…..

LOL, you know nothing about this topic. go away and stop making a fool of yourself

 

[Redfish]

One simple fact that plays into the EVs hand. Globally the average speed a car travels is less then 20 mph. Gas engines are far less efficient doing this, while EVs are far more efficient. In a world we live in, EVs should be a primary mode of surface transportation......even if one mistakenly feels global warming didn’t exist.

let us know when you take the first night flight on a solar powered plane. or cross country in a solar powered 18 wheeler. Neither can be done.

 

[expat_panama]

You are making the silly assumption that because a gas engine can’t run all night on two gallons of gasoline...

So you've got you beliefs and that's your privilege. Meanwhile solar powered cars are not taking over the market. We can resume this discussion when they do.

 

[ABikerSailor]

So you've got you beliefs and that's your privilege. Meanwhile solar powered cars are not taking over the market. We can resume this discussion when they do.

Yet.......................the operative word is yet. 100 percent solar powered cars are still in the developmental stage, but great strides have been made for them to be viable. And, if the tech keeps going, yes, you WILL see solar powered cars on the market in 10 years or so.

Right now, they are currently selling solar panels to be put on your vehicles hood to run all your electronics, like radio and lights, and to keep your battery topped off.

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And, if you know how to use Google, you can find major car manufacturers who are currently in development for solar powered cars, which should be hitting the market in the next few years.

 

[Dagosa]

So you've got you beliefs and that's your privilege. Meanwhile solar powered cars are not taking over the market. We can resume this discussion when they do.

Its not all or nothing. Electric motors are finding their way into cars and trucks as hybrids, plug in hybrids and full EVs. Why is that so hard to understand ? A family with three cars can easily have one EV and two hybrids. NO has to use a charger outside the home. In cities, EVs will take over the market and solar charging will be the norm in the sun belt.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

2017	2.458	2.416	2.437	2.528	2.503	2.460	2.414	2.494	2.761	2.621	2.678	2.594
2018	2.671	2.705	2.709	2.873	2.987	2.970	2.928	2.914	2.915	2.943	2.736	2.457
2019	2.338	2.393	2.594	2.881	2.946	2.804	2.823	2.707	2.681	2.724	2.693	2.645
2020	2.636	2.533	2.329	1.938	1.961	2.170	2.272	2.272	2.274	2.248	2.200	2.284
2021	2.420	2.587	2.898	2.948	3.076	3.157	3.231	3.255	3.272	3.384	3.491	3.406
2022	3.413	3.611	4.322	4.213	4.545

U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)

Just saying, Republicans are full of crap.

Ummm, we never hit four or five dollars a gallon under Trump, so let be clear Biden owns this…

 

[Dagosa]

Ummm, we never hit four or five dollars a gallon under Trump, so let be clear Biden owns this…

We did under Bush……Bush owned that, along with released terrorism, 9/11 and big recession. Trump owns COVID, recession and 30,000 lies and BS.,

 

[Devils_Advocate]

We did under Bush……

Bush and Obama and Biden had high Gas Prices but still this isn’t about Bush or Obama and it is about the OP trying to claim Trump era had gas prices that were nearly as high as Biden record Prices…

 

[Dagosa]

Bush and Obama and Biden had high Gas Prices but still this isn’t about Bush or Obama and it is about the OP trying to claim Trump era had gas prices that were nearly as high as Biden record Prices…

Oil/ gas prices are clearly higher under Biden. They began rising under Trump and the recession with reduced oil refinery production which could not keep up with the demand as the economy expanded under Biden. Growth and economic expansion during limited oil resources with reduced refineries will obviously raise the price of oil.

Refinery closures decreased U.S. refinery capacity during 2020

www.eia.gov

Oil. Companies SHUT DOWN THEIR REFINERIES DURING COVID UNDER TRUMP.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Growth and economic expansion during limited oil resources with reduced refineries will obviously raise the price of oil.

Can't drill our way to lower prices, eh?

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Oil/ gas prices are clearly higher under Biden. They began rising under Trump and the recession with reduced oil refinery production which could not keep up with the demand as the economy expanded under Biden. Growth and economic expansion during limited oil resources with reduced refineries will obviously raise the price of oil.

I understand how it works but the OP ( once again ) made the asinine comparison and not me and you attempted to bring Bush in the conversation…

I mean while we are at it during Carter years gas prices were damn high!

 

[Dagosa]

I understand how it works but the OP ( once again ) made the asinine comparison and not me and you attempted to bring Bush in the conversation…

I mean while we are at it during Carter years gas prices were damn high!

Yup….but I’ll wait to criticize Biden if and when he has a recession…..not inflation during a continuing pandemic. . You do get the difference, right.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Yup….but I’ll wait to criticize Biden if and when he has a recession…..not inflation. You do get the difference, right.

I do understand the difference and what is funnier you keep on trying to change the subject from High Gas Prices under Biden and how the OP tried to compare them to Trump highest Gas Prices under him…

Now here is something retards like you and the OP may not know is that why everything went up was because of the massive damn increase in the price of diesel…

Now can you kindly explain to the board why getting diesel below three dollars a gallon would be great and wonderful?

I bet you can’t can you and you will try to write about how Bush or will it be the Ukraine and Putin next to divert the conversation?

 

[Dagosa]

Can't drill our way to lower prices, eh?

Nope.
we still have lost oil refining capacity since the pandemic. More oil will just sit there.

Which U.S. refineries have shut since the global pandemic, and why?

Since the onset of the global pandemic, the United States has lost nearly 1 million barrels per day of oil refining capacity, with more set to be shuttered in the next few years. These are the refiners that have closed or cut capacity:

www.reuters.com