Zone1 Glenn Beck on Pope Francis

[Meriweather]

The Catholic church does not need married Preists?

Saint Peter, I thought was considered to be the first Pope, and yes, he was married.

Look at Paul's letters and Jesus' own words. Some people give up sex (become eunuchs) for the sake of the Kingdom of God; Paul notes choosing not to become married is good--but not if it causes burning. Peter, of course, was already married when he met Jesus. And, early priests did marry. Then problems began occurring when a priest died. What property belonged to the Church, and what belonged to the family. It became such a problem the tradition of priests not marrying became the rule.

So, instead of embracing the Biblical model of sexual conduct within the sanctity of marriage, we see the Pope wrap himself with the Rainbow flag instead as Pedophilia remains a problem within the church.

I honestly don't think that the pedophile problem within the Catholic church would not have been so prevalent had priests be allowed to marry.

Pedophilia remains a problem. Period. In the US it has been mostly resolved, and never was a higher percentage in the priesthood than it was in the rest of society. Research noted that marriage is never the answer/solution to pedophilia. The Church has become much more strict on who it accepts into the priesthood.

The problem of priests not being allowed to marry is the shortage of priests, not the separate issue of pedophilia.

 

[Meriweather]

most of the young catholics i know are shacking up

Or more to the point: Most young people are shacking up, including Catholics. Why is this? Because society as a whole accepts shacking up.

Also: Of those who choose not to shack up, how many are Catholic? (I don't know.)

 

[Meriweather]

By Catholics....everyone else is like...whateva. Francis was a good man who tried to move the Catholic Church into the modern world.

The Catholic Church isn't about moving the Kingdom of God into the modern world. It's mission is to move the modern world into the Kingdom of God. That was true in Jesus' time as well.

 

[initforme]

How does the pill lead to millions of abortions?

 

[rightwinger]

The problem of priests not being allowed to marry is the shortage of priests, not the separate issue of pedophilia.

There are no legacy priests like in other religions.

No…..my father and grandfather were clergy or rabbis

 

[Votto]

Look at Paul's letters and Jesus' own words. Some people give up sex (become eunuchs) for the sake of the Kingdom of God; Paul notes choosing not to become married is good--but not if it causes burning. Peter, of course, was already married when he met Jesus. And, early priests did marry. Then problems began occurring when a priest died. What property belonged to the Church, and what belonged to the family. It became such a problem the tradition of priests not marrying became the rule.



Pedophilia remains a problem. Period. In the US it has been mostly resolved, and never was a higher percentage in the priesthood than it was in the rest of society. Research noted that marriage is never the answer/solution to pedophilia. The Church has become much more strict on who it accepts into the priesthood.

The problem of priests not being allowed to marry is the shortage of priests, not the separate issue of pedophilia.

Some people give up sex (become eunuchs) for the sake of the Kingdom of God; Paul notes choosing not to become married is good--but not if it causes burning

I figured you would use this scripture.

But how the Catholic church then turns this into a mandate for all priests to never marry is but a mystery to me.

 

[JimH52]

Look at Paul's letters and Jesus' own words. Some people give up sex (become eunuchs) for the sake of the Kingdom of God; Paul notes choosing not to become married is good--but not if it causes burning. Peter, of course, was already married when he met Jesus. And, early priests did marry. Then problems began occurring when a priest died. What property belonged to the Church, and what belonged to the family. It became such a problem the tradition of priests not marrying became the rule.



Pedophilia remains a problem. Period. In the US it has been mostly resolved, and never was a higher percentage in the priesthood than it was in the rest of society. Research noted that marriage is never the answer/solution to pedophilia. The Church has become much more strict on who it accepts into the priesthood.

The problem of priests not being allowed to marry is the shortage of priests, not the separate issue of pedophilia.

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
(1 Timothy 4:1‭–5)

 

[Meriweather]

Really? Are you serious? I am pretty sure there was no MAGA during the years Jesus taught.....wait....there were the Pharisees. They were pretty close to being MAGA. Read what Jesus thought of that "stiff necked" brood of vipers.

Don't skip past all the Pharisees he was friends with.

 

[Meriweather]

But how the Catholic church then turns this into a mandate for all priests to never marry is but a mystery to me.

Again that goes back to later times when both Church and family laid claim to the priests' property. Remember we went through a time where the King's son became the next King, and the younger son(s) were sent to the Church, because Church and State were joined then. The history is pretty messy.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I don't think either Beck or MTG were Catholic.​

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Marjorie Taylor Greene Declares ‘Evil Is Being Defeated by the Hand of God’ in Apparent Celebration of Pope Francis’s Death​

Marjorie Taylor Greene Declares ‘Evil Is Being Defeated by the Hand of God’ in Apparent Celebration of Pope Francis’s Death

Marjorie Taylor Greene declared that "Evil is being defeated by the hand of God" on Monday morning in an apparent celebration of the death of Pope Francis.

www.mediaite.com

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So what.



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[JimH52]

Don't skip past all the Pharisees he was friends with.

Like Nicodemus? Jesus ate with tax collectors also. But what the Pharisees had done to the law, with their lies and fabrications was an abomination. And he told them so.

 

[Meriweather]

Like Nicodemus? Jesus ate with tax collectors also. But what the Pharisees had done to the law, with their lies and fabrications was an abomination. And he told them so.

Like Jairus and Joseph of Arimathea well. And, there were most likely others. Yes, Jesus called out hypocrisy and swine wherever they were. He also asked about nine who never bothered with a thank you. He gathered all groups, and with all he had expectations. Not even the Pharisees, who worked so hard at keeping the Law, were exempt from this.

 

[Zincwarrior]

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So what.



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So he should shut the fuck up.

 

[DGS49]

OK, I'll say it; it needs to be said.

Pedophilia was never "the Church's problem." It was and remains a problem of human nature. The clergy perps took extraordinary measures to hide their intentions when pursuing the priesthood, as well as in how they acted out as parish priests. The Church hierarchy was oblivious and made two major errors of judgment in the whole matter: First, they failed to see the magnitude of harm to the victims, and second, they failed to recognize how persistent the behavior is in those who engage in it. The Church actually believed that when the offending priests went to confession and promised, "never to sin again," the problem was solved. Accordingly, moving the priest to another parish was a prudent and protective thing to do.

But one can never forget that the crisis in the Church was inflated dramatically by anti-Catholic bigotry in the Media and by the tort law community who saw nothing but armies of helpless, sympathetic victims and an institution with massively "deep pockets." A pox on all their houses.

As time goes by, it becomes more and more apparent that the same behavior patterns occur in virtually all institutions where boys are left in the care and custody of mainly-single men. That doesn't excuse the Church's systemic problems, but it puts them in some perspective.

As for the late Pope Frank, from my seat in the pews five thousand miles away, it seemed to me like his sympathies lay with the hopefully-celibate homosexual priests remaining in the Catholic Clergy. He was no worse, or better than the other Pontiffs who have had to deal with the pedo problem.

 

[Mashmont]

As the Catholic church has largely turned a blind eye to the pedophile problem within the church, it stands to reason they will have no problem turning a blind eye to other sexual deviances, including abortion.

You might even say it is just a natural outcome.

That's nonsense. Every organization has bad people in it who do bad things counter to Jesus' teaching, but why single out the Catholic Church when its pedophile problem is no worse than that of any other church or organization? Nearly all the cases were 40+ years ago, yet we ignore the many organizations including that CURRENTLY have a pedo problem. In terms of abortion, the RCC, including the late Pope has never wavered from the pro-life position. I don't understand why you do the Marxist left's dirty work for them.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

That's nonsense. Every organization has bad people in it who do bad things counter to Jesus' teaching, but why single out the Catholic Church when its pedophile problem is no worse than that of any other church or organization? Nearly all the cases were 40+ years ago, yet we ignore the many organizations including that CURRENTLY have a pedo problem. In terms of abortion, the RCC, including the late Pope has never wavered from the pro-life position. I don't understand why you do the Marxist left's dirty work for them.

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The pedo problem is far worse in the public "education" system.

Don't even talk to me about priests.


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[Cougarbear]

The RC Church is in need of modernization, and it might be too late to save it.

But not in the way that the world's Leftists hope. Sexual irregulars will always be welcome while their irregularity will forever be rejected unambiguously. We are responsible for our actions, but not our inclination to sin, which is universal.

The Church needs married priests and shortly thereafter, woman priests. These are not theological matters, but vital to the Church's survival. The condemnation of "artificial birth control" should also be reversed, and replaced with a family imperative to maintain a faithful family, of whatever size the couple chooses.

As for the major moral imperatives of our time (abortion, euthanasia, slavery, etc.), the Church is right on all of them, and will not change...cannot change. For those who vainly hope in an embrace of perverse lifestyles, form your own church.

Sounds to me that you want to form your own Church. You think woman, who can be nuns, should also be able to be priests too? Does this mean men can be nuns too?
The Church does allow for Deacons to be married. But, like Mormon Priesthood, it is for men only. Mormons believe it is because that Adam was given the responsibilities of Fatherhood and being a righteous husband to his wife, mother of his children, to remind him he has authoritative responsibility to righteously directing his family to follow God. That includes performing the ordinances of the Gospel.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Catholic church does not need married Preists?

Saint Peter, I thought was considered to be the first Pope, and yes, he was married.

So, instead of embracing the Biblical model of sexual conduct within the sanctity of marriage, we see the Pope wrap himself with the Rainbow flag instead as Pedophilia remains a problem within the church.

I honestly don't think that the pedophile problem within the Catholic church would not have been so prevalent had priests be allowed to marry.

Naturally, it is a problem everyone and not just the church, but I think that the bureaucracy of the church simply made the problem worse with their no marry mandates that seemingly was made up out of thin air with no Biblical support.

Marriage won't help. Pedophiles and homosexuals are attracted to the church.