GOP Vows To Stay The Party of Obstruction!!!

[edthecynic]

That medical bills were included in bankruptcy is not proof that medical bills cause said bankruptcy. In fact credit cards are probably included in nearly 100% of bankruptcies but no one is saying that they are the sole cause of bankruptcies are they? Using your reasoning i could easily say just that.

That is not semantics, that is an accurate interpretation.

Correlation doers not equal causation.

If someone was able to make their payments on their mortgage and their credit cards up until the time they got sick, wouldn't the medical related financial problems be the direct cause of their bankruptcy rather than the expenses they were able to satisfy before they took sick???
Of course!!!!
Thus the figure 62% of bankruptcies are medical RELATED!!!!!!!!!!
Get it???????

So now you change your tune and say "related " instead of "caused"

I can assert that if people weren't maxing out their credit cards and spending more than they make that they would be able to pay their medical bills. So it's not the medical bills. it's the runaway frivolous spending that causes bankruptcies.

All you have to do to be intellectually honest is say that medical bills are listed as one of the many reasons for bankruptcy filings

But you would rather spin the facts to support some "needed" government intervention.

You CON$ can't exist without your Straw Men!!!!!!!

I CHANGED NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you can "ASSERT" nothing. You have no proof any of them were living beyond their means before sickness altered their lives.

Here is the link and quote I cited again. Try reading it before you play dumb again!!!

www.medicalcostadvocate.com Health
Woolhandler and her colleagues surveyed a random sample of 2,314 people who filed for bankruptcy in early 2007, looked at their court records, and then interviewed more than 1,000 of them.
They concluded that 62.1 percent of the bankruptcies were medically related because the individuals either had more than $5,000 (or 10 percent of their pretax income) in medical bills, mortgaged their home to pay for medical bills, or lost significant income due to an illness. On average, medically bankrupt families had $17,943 in out-of-pocket expenses, including $26,971 for those who lacked insurance and $17,749 who had insurance at some point.
Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say.
“That was actually the predominant problem in patients in our study — 78 percent of them had health insurance, but many of them were bankrupted anyway because there were gaps in their coverage like co-payments and deductibles and uncovered services,” says Woolhandler. “Other people had private insurance but got so sick that they lost their job and lost their insurance."

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

“It is time to chill out, Republicans,” Representative Bob Filner, Democrat of California, said. “Let this bill work. Let our constituents finally get health care.”

But there were no signs of a ceasefire. Senate Democrats said they would take up a budget reconciliation measure containing the final revisions to the health care overhaul shortly after Mr. Obama signs the main bill at the White House ceremony on Tuesday.

Far from sounding a conciliatory note, Senate Republicans said they would employ every procedural maneuver available to try to derail the reconciliation bill, or at least punch holes in it by knocking out key provisions.

Republicans Vow Repeal Effort Against Health Bill - NYTimes.com

It appears the GOP will do anything they think they can just to hurt the Democrats, even if it means more Americans without health care and Americans going bankrupt because of medical expenses.

I am starting to think the current GOP is so lustful of power, they would push American over a cliff just to get a taste of power back.

Can fascism be far behind if they ever win power back?

CBS had a poll out on their website yesterday (i cant fricken find it now) that said +60% of americans support the republicans continuing fighting against the passed bill. This is probably why they feel emboldened to keep up the rhetoric.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Funny, yesterday the party of "yes" said "no" to:

Viagra restrictions for pedophiles and sex offenders, exemptions from medical device tax on wounded soldiers, funding cuts for rural hospitals, tax breaks for the middle class, to using the same healthcare rules as you and me, exempting pacemakes from new taxes....

Ah.. the party of "yes".

 

[Skull Pilot]

If someone was able to make their payments on their mortgage and their credit cards up until the time they got sick, wouldn't the medical related financial problems be the direct cause of their bankruptcy rather than the expenses they were able to satisfy before they took sick???
Of course!!!!
Thus the figure 62% of bankruptcies are medical RELATED!!!!!!!!!!
Get it???????

So now you change your tune and say "related " instead of "caused"

I can assert that if people weren't maxing out their credit cards and spending more than they make that they would be able to pay their medical bills. So it's not the medical bills. it's the runaway frivolous spending that causes bankruptcies.

All you have to do to be intellectually honest is say that medical bills are listed as one of the many reasons for bankruptcy filings

But you would rather spin the facts to support some "needed" government intervention.

You CON$ can't exist without your Straw Men!!!!!!!

I CHANGED NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you can "ASSERT" nothing. You have no proof any of them were living beyond their means before sickness altered their lives.

Here is the link and quote I cited again. Try reading it before you play dumb again!!!

www.medicalcostadvocate.com Health
Woolhandler and her colleagues surveyed a random sample of 2,314 people who filed for bankruptcy in early 2007, looked at their court records, and then interviewed more than 1,000 of them.
They concluded that 62.1 percent of the bankruptcies were medically related because the individuals either had more than $5,000 (or 10 percent of their pretax income) in medical bills, mortgaged their home to pay for medical bills, or lost significant income due to an illness. On average, medically bankrupt families had $17,943 in out-of-pocket expenses, including $26,971 for those who lacked insurance and $17,749 who had insurance at some point.
Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say.
“That was actually the predominant problem in patients in our study — 78 percent of them had health insurance, but many of them were bankrupted anyway because there were gaps in their coverage like co-payments and deductibles and uncovered services,” says Woolhandler. “Other people had private insurance but got so sick that they lost their job and lost their insurance."

I'm not a con as you use the term

And I have never said that medical bills aren't a component of some bankruptcies but a study based on 2000 filings when in 2007 there were an estimated 795,000 filings is hardly enough of a sample to say that whatever percentage of all bankruptcies were medically caused.

it is still more prudent and honest to say that medical bills are a part of but not necessarily causative for a percentage of bankruptcies. or in your case that one study with an extremely small sample of cases.

And so what if people file bankruptcy?

You make it sound like it's the end of the world. it's a good thing for a lot of people and businesses.

 

[edthecynic]

“It is time to chill out, Republicans,” Representative Bob Filner, Democrat of California, said. “Let this bill work. Let our constituents finally get health care.”

But there were no signs of a ceasefire. Senate Democrats said they would take up a budget reconciliation measure containing the final revisions to the health care overhaul shortly after Mr. Obama signs the main bill at the White House ceremony on Tuesday.

Far from sounding a conciliatory note, Senate Republicans said they would employ every procedural maneuver available to try to derail the reconciliation bill, or at least punch holes in it by knocking out key provisions.

Republicans Vow Repeal Effort Against Health Bill - NYTimes.com

It appears the GOP will do anything they think they can just to hurt the Democrats, even if it means more Americans without health care and Americans going bankrupt because of medical expenses.

I am starting to think the current GOP is so lustful of power, they would push American over a cliff just to get a taste of power back.

Can fascism be far behind if they ever win power back?

CBS had a poll out on their website yesterday (i cant fricken find it now) that said +60% of americans support the republicans continuing fighting against the passed bill. This is probably why they feel emboldened to keep up the rhetoric.

Well Betsy, your incompetence is duly noted.

Poll: Most Want GOP to Keep Fighting on Health Bill - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

BTW, many of the Dems who want the GOP to keep fighting MIGHT just think fighting against the bill will hurt the GOP in the long run. So the poll is essentially worthless.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

It appears the GOP will do anything they think they can just to hurt the Democrats, even if it means more Americans without health care and Americans going bankrupt because of medical expenses.

I am starting to think the current GOP is so lustful of power, they would push American over a cliff just to get a taste of power back.

Can fascism be far behind if they ever win power back?

CBS had a poll out on their website yesterday (i cant fricken find it now) that said +60% of americans support the republicans continuing fighting against the passed bill. This is probably why they feel emboldened to keep up the rhetoric.

Well Betsy, your incompetence is duly noted.

Poll: Most Want GOP to Keep Fighting on Health Bill - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

BTW, many of the Dems who want the GOP to keep fighting MIGHT just think fighting against the bill will hurt the GOP in the long run. So the poll is essentially worthless.

Thanks El-rushbo, i was going nuts finding all the wrong polls

 

[edthecynic]

So now you change your tune and say "related " instead of "caused"

I can assert that if people weren't maxing out their credit cards and spending more than they make that they would be able to pay their medical bills. So it's not the medical bills. it's the runaway frivolous spending that causes bankruptcies.

All you have to do to be intellectually honest is say that medical bills are listed as one of the many reasons for bankruptcy filings

But you would rather spin the facts to support some "needed" government intervention.

You CON$ can't exist without your Straw Men!!!!!!!

I CHANGED NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you can "ASSERT" nothing. You have no proof any of them were living beyond their means before sickness altered their lives.

Here is the link and quote I cited again. Try reading it before you play dumb again!!!

www.medicalcostadvocate.com Health
Woolhandler and her colleagues surveyed a random sample of 2,314 people who filed for bankruptcy in early 2007, looked at their court records, and then interviewed more than 1,000 of them.
They concluded that 62.1 percent of the bankruptcies were medically related because the individuals either had more than $5,000 (or 10 percent of their pretax income) in medical bills, mortgaged their home to pay for medical bills, or lost significant income due to an illness. On average, medically bankrupt families had $17,943 in out-of-pocket expenses, including $26,971 for those who lacked insurance and $17,749 who had insurance at some point.
Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say.
“That was actually the predominant problem in patients in our study — 78 percent of them had health insurance, but many of them were bankrupted anyway because there were gaps in their coverage like co-payments and deductibles and uncovered services,” says Woolhandler. “Other people had private insurance but got so sick that they lost their job and lost their insurance."

I'm not a con as you use the term

And I have never said that medical bills aren't a component of some bankruptcies but a study based on 2000 filings when in 2007 there were an estimated 795,000 filings is hardly enough of a sample to say that whatever percentage of all bankruptcies were medically caused.

it is still more prudent and honest to say that medical bills are a part of but not necessarily causative for a percentage of bankruptcies. or in your case that one study with an extremely small sample of cases.

And so what if people file bankruptcy?

You make it sound like it's the end of the world. it's a good thing for a lot of people and businesses.

You're pathetic!

And you CON$ habitually tout polls that use smaller samples to speak for tens of millions of Americans!

 

[Jarhead]

Well, after reading much of this thread I am convinced:

The two parties are both looking to create a divide amongst the people; and it is working brilliantly.

My question is: To what gain?

 

[Skull Pilot]

You CON$ can't exist without your Straw Men!!!!!!!

I CHANGED NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you can "ASSERT" nothing. You have no proof any of them were living beyond their means before sickness altered their lives.

Here is the link and quote I cited again. Try reading it before you play dumb again!!!

www.medicalcostadvocate.com Health
Woolhandler and her colleagues surveyed a random sample of 2,314 people who filed for bankruptcy in early 2007, looked at their court records, and then interviewed more than 1,000 of them.
They concluded that 62.1 percent of the bankruptcies were medically related because the individuals either had more than $5,000 (or 10 percent of their pretax income) in medical bills, mortgaged their home to pay for medical bills, or lost significant income due to an illness. On average, medically bankrupt families had $17,943 in out-of-pocket expenses, including $26,971 for those who lacked insurance and $17,749 who had insurance at some point.
Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say.
“That was actually the predominant problem in patients in our study — 78 percent of them had health insurance, but many of them were bankrupted anyway because there were gaps in their coverage like co-payments and deductibles and uncovered services,” says Woolhandler. “Other people had private insurance but got so sick that they lost their job and lost their insurance."

I'm not a con as you use the term

And I have never said that medical bills aren't a component of some bankruptcies but a study based on 2000 filings when in 2007 there were an estimated 795,000 filings is hardly enough of a sample to say that whatever percentage of all bankruptcies were medically caused.

it is still more prudent and honest to say that medical bills are a part of but not necessarily causative for a percentage of bankruptcies. or in your case that one study with an extremely small sample of cases.

And so what if people file bankruptcy?

You make it sound like it's the end of the world. it's a good thing for a lot of people and businesses.

You're pathetic!

And you CON$ habitually tout polls that use smaller samples to speak for tens of millions of Americans!

What polls exactly?

Make a charge then back it up asswipe.

 

[edthecynic]

CBS had a poll out on their website yesterday (i cant fricken find it now) that said +60% of americans support the republicans continuing fighting against the passed bill. This is probably why they feel emboldened to keep up the rhetoric.

Well Betsy, your incompetence is duly noted.

Poll: Most Want GOP to Keep Fighting on Health Bill - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

BTW, many of the Dems who want the GOP to keep fighting MIGHT just think fighting against the bill will hurt the GOP in the long run. So the poll is essentially worthless.

Thanks El-rushbo, i was going nuts finding all the wrong polls

You're welcome Betsy.
BTW, when I quote Stuttering LimpTard, I always cite him. I don't pretend his quotes are mine like you did repeatedly with Betsy McCaughey's perversion of the stimulus package to create the fictitious "death panels."

How sad, PP has become an hysteric.

Media Matters for America

Ravi, I gave a link to the bill and specific page numbers backing up my little paragraphs.

Go READ it. I got the information from within the stimulus bill itself and made it VERY VERY easy to go verify. I even color coded my response so if someone had issue with a specific interpretation of the bill they could address it with me.

Did I get anything wrong? Please tell me what I specifically interpreted wrong so we can discuss it.

Well actually, not in the Stimulus Bill either, but in a BOOK by Daschle and then ONLY if you let CON$ pervert the words in the book.
But hey, that's close enough for CON$ to RATIONALIZE their lies!

I gave page numbers and the language from within the bill itself. Why dont you accept the challenge and show me how my interpretation of the langauge on the stated page numbers of the stimulus bill is wrong.

Or are you just being a hack? PLEASE take me up on this challenge, I dare you.

Ok Ok so MAYBE i made the title to grab your attention but there are some changes to the health care system made by the stimulus bill as described below. This is ALREADY LAW so we cant fight to prevent it, we let them pass this already.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1eh.txt.pdf

442, 446. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology (lovingly referred to by conservatives as DEATH PANEL), will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

And people wonder why I dont trust a 2000 page health care bill

First of all, your post is not YOUR misinterpretation of the bill, it is the totally discredited Betsy McCaughey's perversion of the bill you never even read. No wonder honest people never trust anything CON$ say.

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey - Bloomberg.com

One word from the bill "guide" is not "language" from the bill. Obviously you never bothered to read the pages you cited yourself. SHE, not YOU, took one word from the bill and seven words from Daschle's book and everything else from her perverted imagination.

From the actual bill starting on pg 441:

‘‘Subtitle A—Promotion of Health
9 Information Technology
10 ‘‘SEC. 3001. OFFICE OF THE NATIONAL COORDINATOR FOR
11 HEALTH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.
12 ‘‘(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established within
13 the Department of Health and Human Services an Office
14 of the National Coordinator for Health Information Tech15
nology (referred to in this section as the ‘Office’). The Of16
fice shall be headed by a National Coordinator who shall
17 be appointed by the Secretary and shall report directly to
18 the Secretary.
19 ‘‘(b) PURPOSE.—The National Coordinator shall per20
form the duties under subsection (c) in a manner con21
sistent with the development of a nationwide health infor22
mation technology infrastructure that allows for the elec23
tronic use and exchange of information and that

442
•HR 1 EH
1 ‘‘(1) ensures that each patient’s health informa-
2 tion is secure and protected, in accordance with ap-
3 plicable law;
4 ‘‘(2) improves health care quality, reduces med-
5 ical errors, reduces health disparities, and advances
6 the delivery of patient-centered medical care;
7 ‘‘(3) reduces health care costs resulting from
8 inefficiency, medical errors, inappropriate care, du-
9 plicative care, and incomplete information;
10 ‘‘(4) provides appropriate information to help
11 guide medical decisions at the time and place of
12 care;
13 ‘‘(5) ensures the inclusion of meaningful public
14 input in such development of such infrastructure;
15 ‘‘(6) improves the coordination of care and in-
16 formation among hospitals, laboratories, physician
17 offices, and other entities through an effective infra-
18 structure for the secure and authorized exchange of
19 health care information;
20 ‘‘(7) improves public health activities and facili-
21 tates the early identification and rapid response to
22 public health threats and emergencies, including bio-
23 terror events and infectious disease outbreaks;
24 ‘‘(8) facilitates health and clinical research and
25 health care quality

443
•HR 1 EH
1 ‘‘(9) promotes prevention of chronic diseases;
2 ‘‘(10) promotes a more effective marketplace,
3 greater competition, greater systems analysis, in-
4 creased consumer choice, and improved outcomes in
5 health care services; and
6 ‘‘(11) improves efforts to reduce health dispari-
7 ties.

 

[edthecynic]

I'm not a con as you use the term

And I have never said that medical bills aren't a component of some bankruptcies but a study based on 2000 filings when in 2007 there were an estimated 795,000 filings is hardly enough of a sample to say that whatever percentage of all bankruptcies were medically caused.

it is still more prudent and honest to say that medical bills are a part of but not necessarily causative for a percentage of bankruptcies. or in your case that one study with an extremely small sample of cases.

And so what if people file bankruptcy?

You make it sound like it's the end of the world. it's a good thing for a lot of people and businesses.

You're pathetic!

And you CON$ habitually tout polls that use smaller samples to speak for tens of millions of Americans!

What polls exactly?

Make a charge then back it up asswipe.

Hey doofus, Betsy [PP] just touted a CBS poll that sampled 649 people in this very thread, just a few posts earlier!!!!

Don't you CON$ think you are milking the Dumb Act just a little toooooooooo much??????

 

[edthecynic]

Well, after reading much of this thread I am convinced:

The two parties are both looking to create a divide amongst the people; and it is working brilliantly.

My question is: To what gain?

Divide and conquer, of course!

Ask the voice of the GOP!!!

March 22, 2010
RUSH: I'll tell you, I'm going to be very honest. I largely blame myself for this. I do, I'll tell you why I think I'm responsible for this, this partisan divide. It's a good thing, don't misunderstand, but I'm responsible for it

 

[HUGGY]

FYI no one is saying people shouldn't have access to health care and BTW everyone does.

The issue is does the government have the right to force so called free citizens to buy a specific type of policy?

jesus, we are all adults here. We know how to read between the lines. We listen to talk radio and watch Cable tv. We are capable of interpreting all the winks and nods.

The GOP has a-l-w-a-y-s been anti medicare and anti Social Security.

The GOP has now stumbled on a way to scare the heck out of seniors and the disabled with cries of saving ss and medicare.

shameless

We'd all be better off without SS

I've crunched the numbers many times here and no matter how you slice it 45 years of saving 15% of your own money in a privately held account is always the best option.

Was I in a coma? I missed the law passed that makes it a crime to put some of your money away for retirement.

Scull Fucked...You really are an idiot.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You're pathetic!

And you CON$ habitually tout polls that use smaller samples to speak for tens of millions of Americans!

What polls exactly?

Make a charge then back it up asswipe.

Hey doofus, Betsy [PP] just touted a CBS poll that sampled 649 people in this very thread, just a few posts earlier!!!!

Don't you CON$ think you are milking the Dumb Act just a little toooooooooo much??????

Tell me what polls I have ever posted that you are talking about.

You can't can you because I don't cite polls

So unless you can back up your little tantrums shut the fuck up.

 

[Skull Pilot]

jesus, we are all adults here. We know how to read between the lines. We listen to talk radio and watch Cable tv. We are capable of interpreting all the winks and nods.

The GOP has a-l-w-a-y-s been anti medicare and anti Social Security.

The GOP has now stumbled on a way to scare the heck out of seniors and the disabled with cries of saving ss and medicare.

shameless

We'd all be better off without SS

I've crunched the numbers many times here and no matter how you slice it 45 years of saving 15% of your own money in a privately held account is always the best option.

Was I in a coma? I missed the law passed that makes it a crime to put some of your money away for retirement.

Scull Fucked...You really are an idiot.

What the fuck are you talking about asshole?

 

[SFC Ollie]

You CON$ can't exist without your Straw Men!!!!!!!

I CHANGED NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you can "ASSERT" nothing. You have no proof any of them were living beyond their means before sickness altered their lives.

Here is the link and quote I cited again. Try reading it before you play dumb again!!!

www.medicalcostadvocate.com Health
Woolhandler and her colleagues surveyed a random sample of 2,314 people who filed for bankruptcy in early 2007, looked at their court records, and then interviewed more than 1,000 of them.
They concluded that 62.1 percent of the bankruptcies were medically related because the individuals either had more than $5,000 (or 10 percent of their pretax income) in medical bills, mortgaged their home to pay for medical bills, or lost significant income due to an illness. On average, medically bankrupt families had $17,943 in out-of-pocket expenses, including $26,971 for those who lacked insurance and $17,749 who had insurance at some point.
Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say.
“That was actually the predominant problem in patients in our study — 78 percent of them had health insurance, but many of them were bankrupted anyway because there were gaps in their coverage like co-payments and deductibles and uncovered services,” says Woolhandler. “Other people had private insurance but got so sick that they lost their job and lost their insurance."

I'm not a con as you use the term

And I have never said that medical bills aren't a component of some bankruptcies but a study based on 2000 filings when in 2007 there were an estimated 795,000 filings is hardly enough of a sample to say that whatever percentage of all bankruptcies were medically caused.

it is still more prudent and honest to say that medical bills are a part of but not necessarily causative for a percentage of bankruptcies. or in your case that one study with an extremely small sample of cases.

And so what if people file bankruptcy?

You make it sound like it's the end of the world. it's a good thing for a lot of people and businesses.

You're pathetic!

And you CON$ habitually tout polls that use smaller samples to speak for tens of millions of Americans!

And if Rasmussen would have asked a million people it would have been biased.....

Now when did CBS become right wing?

 

[HUGGY]

We'd all be better off without SS

I've crunched the numbers many times here and no matter how you slice it 45 years of saving 15% of your own money in a privately held account is always the best option.

Was I in a coma? I missed the law passed that makes it a crime to put some of your money away for retirement.

Scull Fucked...You really are an idiot.

What the fuck are you talking about asshole?

God you are stupid. OK ya fuckin moron. If you haven't saved money for your retiretment ...it is your own fault and not the fault of SS which is the morons fall back position...which includes you.

Not very many people are competant or knowlegeable enough to invest for profit. Only a fool or a thief would recommend privatizing SS.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Was I in a coma? I missed the law passed that makes it a crime to put some of your money away for retirement.

Scull Fucked...You really are an idiot.

What the fuck are you talking about asshole?

God you are stupid. OK ya fuckin moron. If you haven't saved money for your retiretment ...it is your own fault and not the fault of SS which is the morons fall back position...which includes you.

Not very many people are competant or knowlegeable enough to invest for profit. Only a fool or a thief would recommend privatizing SS.

Where do you get I don't save fuck nut?

FYI we put over 25% of our gross income away for retirement.

And if you're too much of a fucking idiot that you can't learn enough about finances to earn 5% over your life time you do need the fucking government to take care of you.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Not very many people are competant or knowlegeable enough to invest for profit.

Once upon a time, before the topsy-turvy days of Capital Gains Tax, it was possible for the amateur to invest in stocks and get a return. They chose a stock they were comfortable holding for the rest of their life and lived off the dividends. CG Taxes were the death of dividends and the start of having to know when to get in AND when to get out. the latter being much harder to master than the former.

IN a very real sense, DG Tax has driven the hard worker from the stock market. How apropos that taxes on the working class have risen to try and preclude the accumulation of capital which might be invested to better them to the upper class.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Not very many people are competant or knowlegeable enough to invest for profit. Only a fool or a thief would recommend privatizing SS.

And we at least know you aren't competent or knowledgeable enough to know how to use spell check so expecting you to be able to manage your own money is probably out of the question.

And tell me how does wanting to control my own money rather than letting the fucking government use it to fund a Ponzi scheme make me a thief?