Government Cover-ups: Martin Luther King Jr.

[Caroljo]

Seems Jackie Kennedy didn't like him much either.....

Jackie Kennedy said Martin Luther King was

 

[grunt11b]

You can count on the cons to attempt to rewrite history every year about this time

Dont pin that shit on the rest of us, the rest of us conservatives have nothing to do with this crackpot theory. However, MLK was a Republican who knew the evils of the Democrat party back in the day, so I just cannot see him as being associated with communism or socialism in anyway shape or form.

Prior to his death, Democrats bombed Dr. King's home several times. The scurrilous efforts by the
Democrats to harm Dr. King included spreading rumors that he was a Communist and accusing him
of being a womanizer and a plagiarist.

http://images.nbra.info/docs/library/NationalBlackRepublicanAssociation2009/Democrats%20Smeared%20MLK%20in%20the%201960%27s.pdf

MLK Was A Republican | National Black Republican Association

 

[grunt11b]

You can count on the cons to attempt to rewrite history every year about this time

Is it conservatives who are the professors in colleges indoctrinating students to believe that which is not true? Nope, that is progressivism/communism and socialism at work, all left leaning ideologies. It is and always has been the left that rewrites history, because if people learned the true history of the last 100 years about the democrats and communism it would scare the shit out of them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

He became a Christian, and his Doctorate studies (which the left seem to adore mentioning) are in systematic theology and philosophy. You can say he might have become a socialist. I can just as easily claim that he may have become a conservative. It is ridiculous and pointless to claim either. Because the man is dead. We will never know... and you cannot prove your opinion as being more valid than any other. It's jibberish.

Of course we can. It is jibberish to suggest otherwise. Looking at the totality of the man and his work, one can make reasonable conclusions. Reasonable, we can conclude he would not have become a conservative in that day and age.

Reasonably, no, we can not conclude that... we can not 'conclude' anything - it is nothing more than opinion. You cannot conclude from opinion. There are no facts on which to base a conclusion. Because he is dead. He was staunchly opposed to abortion (social conservative), he was staunchly for personal responsibility (conservative), he was many things - certainly not a perfect man... but I like my heroes with flaws. But no one party and no one ideology can claim him. He was a good American though. And, at least to me, that is the salient point.

I disagree with your opening and agree with your conclusion. Yes, he was a flawed man, like we are all flawed human beings. "He was a good American" indeed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Grunt, he was indeed a plagiarizer and a womanizer, and he did sit down and brak bread with socialists and communists and republicans and democrats, and he was beaten, terrorized, jailed, and murdered. He never gave up and he never hit back, and he is our American hero.

 

[grunt11b]

MLK was not a communist or a socialist, although he may have become a socialist later in his life had he lived into the seventies and eighties. He was a womanizer, yes, and, he may have plagiarized part of his dissertation, yet. He also led and gave his life for civil rights, yes. He is truly an American hero and icon.

He may have become a staunch conservative. Speculation is really not helpful to rational debate, Jokey. Seriously. It just isn't.

I agree.
Could it have really been that he was assassinated because he was a black conservative figure at a time when the democrats where still trying to get blacks on their electorate plantation? A powerful figure like doctor king swaying blacks towards the republicans would not be in the best interest of the Democrats now would it? Just a theory that I wanted to put out there.

 

[JakeStarkey]

MLK was not a communist or a socialist, although he may have become a socialist later in his life had he lived into the seventies and eighties. He was a womanizer, yes, and, he may have plagiarized part of his dissertation, yet. He also led and gave his life for civil rights, yes. He is truly an American hero and icon.

He may have become a staunch conservative. Speculation is really not helpful to rational debate, Jokey. Seriously. It just isn't.

I agree.
Could it have really been that he was assassinated because he was a black conservative figure at a time when the democrats where still trying to get blacks on their electorate plantation? A powerful figure like doctor king swaying blacks towards the republicans would not be in the best interest of the Democrats now would it? Just a theory that I wanted to put out there.

No, Grunt, it was not that.

 

[Katzndogz]

If you look at King's history, the real history not the crap we are forcefed. King was attracted to the communist party and appeared at quite a few communist events. He believed in the communist political goals. This is what brought him to the attention of Robert Kennedy who instructed Hoover to surveil him to find out how active King was in the communist party. Living through those days and looking back at them from a historical perspective, it seems that King was not communist, but a student of communisim. In his own writings he said that he was attracted to commumisim for what it offered but was essentially Godless. The atheisim of communisim repelled him and he rejected the communist party as inconsistent with his Church.

King thought the ideal society was a synthesis of both communisim and capitalisim. An economic capitalistic structure with a communist foundation. His synthesis of the thesis and antithesis is basically Marxism.

In his famous I have a dream speech, everyone knows that he had a dream in which his daughters would be judged by the content of their character not the color of their skin, Everyone knows that. We can all recite the "dream". That was not the entirety of the speech. Towards the end King expresses his REAL DREAM

"Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both. - 1967

Based on the above, then the teachings of Piux XI, John XIII, and John Paul II would make them inevitably far lefties. In fact, they warned of the problems of both unregulated capitalism and collectivist Marxism. I visited a class taught by Angela Davis, and, guess what, I did not become a communist.

I doubt there is very little to suggest that King would have become a communist.

Especially after I just told you that King specifically rejected communisim! Boy are you BRILLIANT to have come to the conclusion that there was little to suggest that King would have become a communist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If you look at King's history, the real history not the crap we are forcefed. King was attracted to the communist party and appeared at quite a few communist events. He believed in the communist political goals. This is what brought him to the attention of Robert Kennedy who instructed Hoover to surveil him to find out how active King was in the communist party. Living through those days and looking back at them from a historical perspective, it seems that King was not communist, but a student of communisim. In his own writings he said that he was attracted to commumisim for what it offered but was essentially Godless. The atheisim of communisim repelled him and he rejected the communist party as inconsistent with his Church.

King thought the ideal society was a synthesis of both communisim and capitalisim. An economic capitalistic structure with a communist foundation. His synthesis of the thesis and antithesis is basically Marxism.

In his famous I have a dream speech, everyone knows that he had a dream in which his daughters would be judged by the content of their character not the color of their skin, Everyone knows that. We can all recite the "dream". That was not the entirety of the speech. Towards the end King expresses his REAL DREAM

"Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both. - 1967

Based on the above, then the teachings of Piux XI, John XIII, and John Paul II would make them inevitably far lefties. In fact, they warned of the problems of both unregulated capitalism and collectivist Marxism. I visited a class taught by Angela Davis, and, guess what, I did not become a communist.

I doubt there is very little to suggest that King would have become a communist.

Especially after I just told you that King specifically rejected communisim! Boy are you BRILLIANT to have come to the conclusion that there was little to suggest that King would have become a communist.

But your explanation was not convincing.

 

[grunt11b]

If you look at King's history, the real history not the crap we are forcefed. King was attracted to the communist party and appeared at quite a few communist events. He believed in the communist political goals. This is what brought him to the attention of Robert Kennedy who instructed Hoover to surveil him to find out how active King was in the communist party. Living through those days and looking back at them from a historical perspective, it seems that King was not communist, but a student of communisim. In his own writings he said that he was attracted to commumisim for what it offered but was essentially Godless. The atheisim of communisim repelled him and he rejected the communist party as inconsistent with his Church.

King thought the ideal society was a synthesis of both communisim and capitalisim. An economic capitalistic structure with a communist foundation. His synthesis of the thesis and antithesis is basically Marxism.

In his famous I have a dream speech, everyone knows that he had a dream in which his daughters would be judged by the content of their character not the color of their skin, Everyone knows that. We can all recite the "dream". That was not the entirety of the speech. Towards the end King expresses his REAL DREAM

"Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both. - 1967

Link?

 

[California Girl]

You can count on the cons to attempt to rewrite history every year about this time

Dont pin that shit on the rest of us, the rest of us conservatives have nothing to do with this crackpot theory. However, MLK was a Republican who knew the evils of the Democrat party back in the day, so I just cannot see him as being associated with communism or socialism in anyway shape or form.

Prior to his death, Democrats bombed Dr. King's home several times. The scurrilous efforts by the
Democrats to harm Dr. King included spreading rumors that he was a Communist and accusing him
of being a womanizer and a plagiarist.

http://images.nbra.info/docs/library/NationalBlackRepublicanAssociation2009/Democrats%20Smeared%20MLK%20in%20the%201960%27s.pdf

MLK Was A Republican | National Black Republican Association

"I don't think the Republican party is a party full of the almighty God nor is the Democratic party. They both have weaknesses ... And I'm not inextricably bound to either party."

It appears he was not overly enthusiastic about either party. I do wish both sides would stop trying to claim him.

He was an American. Surely to (insert deity of choice here), that is all we need to be.

 

[grunt11b]

Grunt, he was indeed a plagiarizer and a womanizer, and he did sit down and brak bread with socialists and communists and republicans and democrats, and he was beaten, terrorized, jailed, and murdered. He never gave up and he never hit back, and he is our American hero.

Because he broke bread with them does not make him a communist and or a socialist, he was however in fact and on public record a republican, that cannot be disputed, and because of his believes he was a social conservative, another indisputable fact.
Could it have been that he sat down with all different kinds to get everyone to meet in the middle and just get along? He did love all mankind and did not hate any of them and believed he could unite all of us, does that make him a communist? No, it makes him a good man. And you are correct, he was a hero.

 

[grunt11b]

He may have become a staunch conservative. Speculation is really not helpful to rational debate, Jokey. Seriously. It just isn't.

I agree.
Could it have really been that he was assassinated because he was a black conservative figure at a time when the democrats where still trying to get blacks on their electorate plantation? A powerful figure like doctor king swaying blacks towards the republicans would not be in the best interest of the Democrats now would it? Just a theory that I wanted to put out there.

No, Grunt, it was not that.

But how do you know for sure? Look at the time lapse, some of the things that where said and done, remember the "I'll have these ******* voting democrat for the next 100 years" quote? Alot of shit was being done by the democrats to get that black vote, and King stood in the way of that.
I believe our government could have been just that corrupt back then. Maybe not any one big name political figure, but alot of shit happens in back room deals.
Of course it's just a conspiracy theory, and it is just food for thought more than anything else.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Grunt, he was indeed a plagiarizer and a womanizer, and he did sit down and brak bread with socialists and communists and republicans and democrats, and he was beaten, terrorized, jailed, and murdered. He never gave up and he never hit back, and he is our American hero.

Because he broke bread with them does not make him a communist and or a socialist, he was however in fact and on public record a republican, that cannot be disputed, and because of his believes he was a social conservative, another indisputable fact.
Could it have been that he sat down with all different kinds to get everyone to meet in the middle and just get along? He did love all mankind and did not hate any of them and believed he could unite all of us, does that make him a communist? No, it makes him a good man. And you are correct, he was a hero.

Anytime you want to give objective links to support your points, go for it. I have no doubt that he was not a communist and I have no doubt that he was neither democrat or republican, though he may have voted for their candidates. Yes, a hero.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't think MLK had any truly communist leanings; at least no more than any of us over a lifetime of exploring this and that which all of us who are grown ups dabbled in order to develop our personal ideology.

This rather detailed (and somewhat tediously written) essay in the Atlantic describes King's relationship with a trusted counselor, Stanley Levison, and Levison's connections to the Communist Party in America. If you stick with the story it becomes more of a guilt by association situation. J Edgar Hoover was running his shady CountelPro program, the offspring of the earliier McCarthyism, during Martin Luther King's rise to power and for some years after MLK's assassination.

I think the thesis of the OP might be a real stretch re creating a martyr theory, but if that part is true I think, it was for different reasons than not allowing MLK's reputation from being tarnished.

The FBI and Martin Luther King


Martin Luther King was never himself a Communist—far from it. But the FBI's wiretapping of King was precipitated by his association with Stanley Levison, a man with reported ties to the Communist Party. Newly available documents reveal what the FBI actually knew—the vast extent of Levinson's Party activities

By David J. Garrow

On October 10, 1963, U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy committed what is widely viewed as one of the most ignominious acts in modern American history: he authorized the Federal Bureau of Investigation to begin wiretapping the telephones of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. Kennedy believed that one of King's closest advisers was a top-level member of the American Communist Party, and that King had repeatedly misled Administration officials about his ongoing close ties with the man. Kennedy acted reluctantly, and his order remained secret until May of 1968, just a few weeks after King's assassination and a few days before Kennedy's own. But the FBI onslaught against King that followed Kennedy's authorization remains notorious, and the stains on the reputations of everyone involved are indelible.

More here:

The FBI and Martin Luther King - Magazine - The Atlantic

 

[007]

I'd say that not only was MLK a man of low moral character, I think he was far closer to being a communist than any in here seem to think...

Martin Luther King's Communist Connections

If that's your idea of an American HERO... wow...

 

[007]

I thought it was common knowledge that the only reason he was at that hotel was to meet up with a white woman.

Prostitutes... Martin Luther King, the Kennedys and Communism

 

[California Girl]

Grunt, he was indeed a plagiarizer and a womanizer, and he did sit down and brak bread with socialists and communists and republicans and democrats, and he was beaten, terrorized, jailed, and murdered. He never gave up and he never hit back, and he is our American hero.

Because he broke bread with them does not make him a communist and or a socialist, he was however in fact and on public record a republican, that cannot be disputed, and because of his believes he was a social conservative, another indisputable fact.
Could it have been that he sat down with all different kinds to get everyone to meet in the middle and just get along? He did love all mankind and did not hate any of them and believed he could unite all of us, does that make him a communist? No, it makes him a good man. And you are correct, he was a hero.

Anytime you want to give objective links to support your points, go for it. I have no doubt that he was not a communist and I have no doubt that he was neither democrat or republican, though he may have voted for their candidates. Yes, a hero.

It appears you don't know MLK as well as you have said you do. He was pro life.... he was for personal responsibility... both of these are conservative values.

Personally, i would not insult his memory by claiming him as a conservative... but that is because I respect the man he was - for what he was - and that is a great American. Why on earth petty partisan hacks feel some 'claim' on him is beyond me. It is disrespectful and stupid.

 

[grunt11b]

Was Dr Martin Luther King a registered Republican

If you do enough research you can find out he was with the GOP. I could care less what people think, I know what it is and what it is not. Later all, time for some pizza!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Fine, Grunt. Pale Rider, whatever.