Green New Deal

[jc456]

The green deal is slavery, Democrats will control almost all aspects of your like from heat you use, to vacation you take. If you can afford a vacation.

kkk

 

[easyt65]

The green deal is slavery, Democrats will control almost all aspects of your like from heat you use, to vacation you take. If you can afford a vacation.

As far as they are concerned, screw 'clean air, clean water' - THAT is their real goal!

 

[Cecilie1200]

The green deal is slavery, Democrats will control almost all aspects of your like from heat you use, to vacation you take. If you can afford a vacation.

SURE we'll be able to have vacations. We'll put together a wagon train to go to the next state and see what kind of mud huts THEY built to live in, ask if they have any new recipes for grass and twigs because that's all anyone has to eat. It'll be a party!

 

[boedicca]

AOC's staff is busy on updating its FAQ. Here's a sneak peak:

i. The Green New Deal will be overseen by a Green Tribunal which henceforth may hear cases for denying global climate change, seeking to inspire discouragement, spreading false news and depraving morals, corrupting the public conscience and impairing the purity and energy of the Green New Deal.

ii. All persons have an obligation to denounce and bring to justice those suspected - Every person is empowered to seize conspirators and climate change deniers, and to bring xyrs before the tribunal. Zie is required to denounce xyrs as soon as zie knows of them. For a person to become suspect it is sufficient that rumor accuses zie.

iii. Trials before the Green Tribunal will be limited to three days.

iv. The Green Tribunal will not call witnesses, or allow any defense counsel for the accused to be present. Juries will to come to judgement entirely on the basis of the accusation and the accused's own defense. The accused must prove zir innocence.

v. The Green Tribunal will come to one of only two possible verdicts - acquittal or death.

vi. Members of the Green New Deal coalition are exempt from the Green Tribunal oversight.

 

[easyt65]

....ask if they have any new recipes for grass and twigs because that's all anyone has to eat. It'll be a party!

I think Cory 'I am Spartacus & am at WAR against Farting Cows' Booker has some really good recipes...

 

[jc456]

....ask if they have any new recipes for grass and twigs because that's all anyone has to eat. It'll be a party!

I think Cory 'I am Spartacus & am at WAR against Farting Cows' Booker has some really good recipes...

 

[easyt65]

Ok, that's funny...and adorable!

 

[Cecilie1200]

....ask if they have any new recipes for grass and twigs because that's all anyone has to eat. It'll be a party!

I think Cory 'I am Spartacus & am at WAR against Farting Cows' Booker has some really good recipes...

Well, I'm sure he has recipes. "Good" is debatable.

 

[Cecilie1200]

....ask if they have any new recipes for grass and twigs because that's all anyone has to eat. It'll be a party!

I think Cory 'I am Spartacus & am at WAR against Farting Cows' Booker has some really good recipes...

SOOO. MUCH. CUUUUUTE!!!

 

[Flopper]

Both your statements are your opinion. There is no verse in Bible that says the earth was created for man. This is a favorite argument Christians use to defend their right to rape the land, pollute the air and turn our waters into cesspools.

Of course this planet was created for man. Why would God make a planet where we are the dominant animal capable of doing the things we can do if it was not for us? From a religious point of view, we are the only occupants with souls. Animals don't have souls. From a religious point of view, we are here to be tested and then judged for the next life.

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Having dominion means to rule over or have dominance over. That does not mean God created the earth for man to ravage. The earth belongs to God not man.
"The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it." (Psalm 24:1)

Yes, the earth does belong to God and not man. So why do you insist man controls it and not God?

As you quoted in the scriptures, man has dominance over the earth but also has a responsibility of stewardship.

And nothing is going to happen to this Earth until, as scripture tells us, reserved fire.

2 Peter 3:6-7 KJV
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: [7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

That, in my mind, doesn't stop authority from implementation of conservation efforts that get turned over in different periods. Since God is in charge of authority, He will be the one to bring it to pass.

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Aside from climate change there has been good reason to lessen our dependence on fossil fuels. Possibly you remember the 1970's with long gas lines. Today, just about everything that happens in the Middle East is of strategic importance to US because we need to keep the oil flowing. We had one war over oil and several others where oil was a significant influence costing over 3 trillion dollars. Today, we spend hundreds of billions of dollars every year protecting our interest in Middle which is primarily Oil.

Then there's the environment. Poor air quality resulting from burning fossil fuels increases respiratory ailments like asthma and bronchitis, heightens the risk of life-threatening conditions like cancer, and burdens our health care system with substantial medical costs. Particulate matter is singlehandedly responsible for up to 30,000 premature deaths each year. Emission control add thousands of dollars to our motor vehicles and many billions to the power generation and our factories. Ground water pollution and oil spill cleanups have cost the tax payer and businesses hundreds of billions of dollar and damage to fish and wildlife is incalculable.

Moving to cleaner energy may be disruptive and expense but it will be worth it even if we ignore climate change and if scientist are right it just might save the whole planet.

 

[Lesh]

Green means technology.

Green means jobs

You people are insane

 

[Flopper]

The green deal is slavery, Democrats will control almost all aspects of your life from heat you use, to vacation you take. If you can afford a vacation.

Nonsense. The Green Deal is a fantasy today and probably won't get out of committee but someday some of the things will happen. Healthcare is going to eventually end up as single payer and we're going to have to do something about the growing college loan debt. However, as far as lessen the effects of climate change, not much is going to be done until the world sees clearly the results. In other words, we going to have to experience the hard lesson of "show me".

 

[Jitss617]

The green deal is slavery, Democrats will control almost all aspects of your life from heat you use, to vacation you take. If you can afford a vacation.

Nonsense. The Green Deal is a fantasy today and probably won't get out of committee but someday some of the things will happen. Healthcare is going to eventually end up as single payers and we're going to have to do something about the growing college loan debt. However, as far as lessen the effects of climate change, not much is going to be done until the world sees clearly the results. In other words, we going to have to experience the hard lesson of "show me".

Free healthcare is slavery.. to are a democrat.. your dreams of slavery returning will never happen

 

[rightwinger]

The economy does better investing in green energy, modern infrastructure and education than it does investing in tax cuts for billionaires

 

[Jitss617]

What part of democrats controlling your life is slavery that democrats don’t understand

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Let's say for a second that Global Warming Science is UNDISPUTABLE FACT (which it is certainly NOT) to some degree (not to the degree AOC says it is, claiming the world will end in 12 years if we do not act now - we already heard that '12 Year' BS from Gore, and we're all still here....), But Let's just SAY it is 'true'...

THAT still does not change the FACT that the 'Green New Deal' AOC just embarrassingly rolled out is embarrassing as hell, a piece of crap, and one of the worst pieces of 'legislation' ever produced...it still does NOT change the fact that AOC admitted her plan is 1) Unrealistic, 2) 'unachievable' (Newsom / Ca just proved part of that), 3) Based on Non-existent technology, & 4) the cost is fiscally unaffordable - 'even if we took every dollar from every wealthy American and every resource from every prosperous company in the US'.

Maybe, but it will be powerful fodder for the Republicans in coming elections.

What does the Democrat party stand for:

Open borders.
The elimination of cows.
The elimination of airplanes.
70% tax rate for wealthy people.
The elimination of motor vehicles.
High speed rails everywhere airplanes go today.
Paying people who don't want to work.
Government healthcare.
Abortion right up to and including after a baby is born.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

THIS, of course, is how they want the REST of America to live and does not apply to THEM!


(BTW, Dems, COWS are not the only plentiful animals on the planet.....in fact, while you're chasing down non-existent technology to support your 'Green New Sci-Fi Project' - to include the 'cattle-itic' converter to shove up a cow's rear to collect Co2 from their farts, try developing a hi-tech butt-plug for humans. I would bet humans fart just as much if not more than cows (of course I hang around humans more than I hang out with cows, so my opinion is very biased in this area.)

Glad I don't hang around with the same people you do.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes I do, but since the time these articles were written, things have gotten better, haven't they? And if not, why not since we keep spending more and more money on this cause?

Do you think God created this planet for animals and plants? Of course not. He created it for the human species. Everything else was put here for our advantage.

Both your statements are your opinion. There is no verse in Bible that says the earth was created for man. This is a favorite argument Christians use to defend their right to rape the land, pollute the air and turn our waters into cesspools.

Of course this planet was created for man. Why would God make a planet where we are the dominant animal capable of doing the things we can do if it was not for us? From a religious point of view, we are the only occupants with souls. Animals don't have souls. From a religious point of view, we are here to be tested and then judged for the next life.

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Having dominion means to rule over or have dominance over. That does not mean God created the earth for man to ravage. The earth belongs to God not man.
"The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it." (Psalm 24:1)

Yes, the earth does belong to God and not man. So why do you insist man controls it and not God?

As you quoted in the scriptures, man has dominance over the earth but also has a responsibility of stewardship.

It doesn't mean live in caves and eat vegetables because we won't start wood fires to cook with.

I think we Americans are great stewards. We have spent trillions cleaning up our section of the earth. Ultimately, God runs this place. If he wants it to end, it will end. If he wants life to continue, it will continue.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The United States, what can we do that will reverse Global Warming?

The world has a population of 7.6 BILLION PEOPLE.

The United States has a population of 330 MILLION PEOPLE. That means we (United States) make up 0.043% of the world population,

What percentage of the world population still burn either wood or animal dung to heat and cook?

Arguably we are the largest producer of greenhouse gases in the world and despite the efforts of the current administration we are still considered a world leader. Other nations still look to US for leadership.

Donald Trump's withdrawal of the US from the Paris Agreement was a huge disappoint for environmentalists around the world. However, the blow has been soften with the support of the United States Climate Alliance representing 21 US states and Trump's ridiculous quotes on climate change has certainly helped.

The Paris Accord only gave other countries the ability to limit our economic success. Of course they are pissed off.

That is complete nonsense. The agreement establishes a goal of a 26% reduction in carbon emission over a 20 year period. At the end each 5 years the US can readjust the figure. There is no penalty for not meeting the goal. Thankfully, 21 states agreed to support the Accord, assuring the world we aren't all idiots.

Well Trump thought it was a bad idea and so do I.

I have a better idea though. Let those other countries catch up to us, and then we'll agree to reduce our carbon emissions by 25%.

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It's China, not other countries
China's is number 1 in the world in total carbon dioxide emissions, 9040 metric tons
US is number 2 in the world, 4,997. If the reduction in emission is based on total emissions, China would have the highest reduction goal and the US the 2nd highest. However, the members decided it would be fairer to base it on emission per capita. Using this method, China would drop to number 11th cutting it's emissions goal significantly and the US would drop to number 3 with little difference in it's US goal.

The bottom line is regardless of which method is used there would be little difference in the US emission goal. However, China's goal dropped significantly using the per captia method as did India, Indonesia, Brazil, and a number of small Africans nations who could not possibility meet their goal using the total emissions method. The per capita method is not only the fairest way to calculate emission reduction requirements but the only the way small developing nations could participate which is very important because they are the fastest growing nations in terms of carbon emissions. Trump of course, only saw that China had a lower goal than the US and withdrawing from the agreement made it easier to increase US emissions which was part of his agenda.
Each Country's Share of CO2 Emissions
https://journals.openedition.org/chinaperspectives/6924?file=1

However our emissions have been on the decline for several years now and it keeps on declining.

Whether per capita or collectively, we are still moving in the right direction as China does the opposite. How did this happen? Well, China has taken over much of our industry. When industry was here, we had some control over C02 emissions. Now that China has much of it, the graph pretty much speaks for itself.

However climate was the last thing Democrats were concerned about when they supported unions and high taxation. Let the jobs go to China. We'll survive.

 

[Flopper]

Both your statements are your opinion. There is no verse in Bible that says the earth was created for man. This is a favorite argument Christians use to defend their right to rape the land, pollute the air and turn our waters into cesspools.

Of course this planet was created for man. Why would God make a planet where we are the dominant animal capable of doing the things we can do if it was not for us? From a religious point of view, we are the only occupants with souls. Animals don't have souls. From a religious point of view, we are here to be tested and then judged for the next life.

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Having dominion means to rule over or have dominance over. That does not mean God created the earth for man to ravage. The earth belongs to God not man.
"The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it." (Psalm 24:1)

Yes, the earth does belong to God and not man. So why do you insist man controls it and not God?

As you quoted in the scriptures, man has dominance over the earth but also has a responsibility of stewardship.

It doesn't mean live in caves and eat vegetables because we won't start wood fires to cook with.

I think we Americans are great stewards. We have spent trillions cleaning up our section of the earth. Ultimately, God runs this place. If he wants it to end, it will end. If he wants life to continue, it will continue.

We pollute a lot but we also do a lot to clean it up.