Kalam
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I agree. Defending Islam has always been a learning experience for me. I'll attempt to explain one concept or another and then marvel at the ignorance and inadequacy of my own interpretation when I look back on it a few months later. The discussion-debate dichotomy exists simply because some people are civil and others are not. Attitudes like yours are conducive to discussion, but any conversation you attempt to have with someone who is closed-minded and arrogant will quickly devolve into a debate or something worse. I try to temper those poor qualities in myself so that discussion is possible, but I don't always succeed. The most we can do is pray for guidance.looks like we have achieved focus, my ishmaelite cousin.
you are certainly no fanatic, and i am feeling that you prostrate yourself before your god at least three times daily.
i look forward to reading your answers to the outrageous interpretations some of the judeo-christian fanatics are giving to specific passages from your holy book as i deliver them into the protection you and i can give this discussion with the help of the holy father
i stress discussion AND NOT debate. i am what i am --- you are what you are --- i respect and revere the oneness that makes us the same yet different --- which puts us on a point of contention i am experiencing.
in my self, i know the Lord YHVH and the Lord Allah to be the same individual using different names with different people.
what say you?
I think that most sincerely religious people attempt to worship Allah, but some miss the mark. He guides whom He wills and leaves others in error, including some who claim to be Muslims.
If you don't mind my asking, are you a practicing Jew? If so, which religious interpretation do you follow? If not, what are you?i say "god is good. god is great. thank you god for paying the freight!"
Baruch Ha Shem! Alla-huh Akbar! Aho Mitakuye Oyasin!
(Lakota: Let it be so for all my relations!)
(isn't free access wonderful? not thirty years ago, we would have been paying by the minute to meet this way online. the next time i go do some online bill paying i intend to become a supporting member of this board. well worth the investment to keep this zoo free.)
the rabbi who made me bar mitzvah, taught that we are all one people and that the racial and cultural strife that we experience in this era is the end result of god's punishing the arrogance of people over the tower of babel. he taught us that to heal this bad karma on all people, we have to realize that the differences in our religions and ways of life evolved because of the scattering of the people and confounding of the tongues and the differing resources available to the different cultures scattered about the globe. recognizing that, we need to embrace each other's traditions, ceremonies and documents in peace, love and joy AND NOT fear, loathing, death and destruction if we people , as a SPECIES are ever to regain grace.
Islam has always had its detractors, so these folks aren't blazing any new trails. I don't think they'd have much interest in Islam if it weren't for their misplaced anger over September 11th.in this particular coagulation of brain farts, the theme is one of fanatic hebrew-christians attacking the whole of islam and in fact it's most holy document as being THE fuel firing arab terrorism against israel and its allies.
the various sects of jews and christians have always been adept at making the bible say as god's truth, whatever truth it was they were selling. it appears that some think they can play the same game with the Qu'ran
(is there something wrong in spelling that "koran"?)
There's nothing wrong with using the "Koran" spelling, but the letters in "Qur'an" seem to correspond more accurately to their Arabic counterparts.
Certainly, but we can all agree that Christians don't have the market cornered as far as injustice is concerned. Some of them do seem to be fond of attempting to whitewash their religion's history, though.the christians have a long and bloody history of killing each other over conflicting interpretations. during the crusades, there were more christians left dead at the hands of other christians all along the routes to the holy land. in the holy land, they killed more christians than muslims.
there is even one account of a group of arab christians who were slaughtered when they came running out to greet the crusaders who they thought had come to liberate them from moslem rule. \
looks like an arab, dresses like an arab, must be an arab. kill it before it multiplies. sound familiar?
This raises a lot of interesting philosophical questions...sadly, i think human society has actually devolved further in its moral value structures and ethical actions than during the middle ages.
in america, sects of orthodox jews have often fought with each other in the streets on holy days because of disagreements in interpretation of torah.
Very well.prepare to receive and speak to the passages that are being posted as proof texts supporting the endemic islamophobia at usmb. i promise they'll be delivered in a readable form without the original poster's vitriol attached.