Hobby Lobby and the Loss of America's Soul

[Sunshine]

The last I heard, Hobby Lobby is not a church. It's a business.

Another public school educated dumbass that has no clue what the Constitution says. Let me help you out dim.
1st amendment; Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

No mention of ONLY in church. If congress makes a law that prohibits you from practicing your religion, ANYWHERE, that is unconstituional, period.

That’s not at issue.

How exactly does the ACA compel the owners themselves of Hobby Lobby to use contraceptives?

Requiring employers to provide comprehensive health insurance coverage as a form of compensation which may or may not include the administering of contraceptive therapies in no way directly effects the owners, who are free to use contraceptives or not.

What an employer’s employee does with his compensation – regardless its form – is the employee’s business and the employee’s business alone.

Since when does the government get to decide what a company's benefit package includes?

 

[JoeB131]

Another public school educated dumbass that has no clue what the Constitution says. Let me help you out dim.
1st amendment; Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

No mention of ONLY in church. If congress makes a law that prohibits you from practicing your religion, ANYWHERE, that is unconstituional, period.

That’s not at issue.

How exactly does the ACA compel the owners themselves of Hobby Lobby to use contraceptives?

Requiring employers to provide comprehensive health insurance coverage as a form of compensation which may or may not include the administering of contraceptive therapies in no way directly effects the owners, who are free to use contraceptives or not.

What an employer’s employee does with his compensation – regardless its form – is the employee’s business and the employee’s business alone.

Since when does the government get to decide what a company's benefit package includes?

Since always, pretty much.

In the case of health care benefits, it's deducted as a business expense, and the company gets a special tax break for providing them, which givest he government the authority to dictate what should be in a valid plan.

 

[Sunshine]

That’s not at issue.

How exactly does the ACA compel the owners themselves of Hobby Lobby to use contraceptives?

Requiring employers to provide comprehensive health insurance coverage as a form of compensation which may or may not include the administering of contraceptive therapies in no way directly effects the owners, who are free to use contraceptives or not.

What an employer’s employee does with his compensation – regardless its form – is the employee’s business and the employee’s business alone.

Since when does the government get to decide what a company's benefit package includes?

Since always, pretty much.

In the case of health care benefits, it's deducted as a business expense, and the company gets a special tax break for providing them, which givest he government the authority to dictate what should be in a valid plan.

That's ridiculous. That is like saying the government gets to decide what brand of computer a company uses just because it is a business expense. A benefit package is just that. An offering by a company. And deducting a business expense does not give the government the right to come in and dictate how you run your business.

 

[JoeB131]

Since always, pretty much.

In the case of health care benefits, it's deducted as a business expense, and the company gets a special tax break for providing them, which givest he government the authority to dictate what should be in a valid plan.

That's ridiculous. That is like saying the government gets to decide what brand of computer a company uses just because it is a business expense. A benefit package is just that. An offering by a company. And deducting a business expense does not give the government the right to come in and dictate how you run your business.

The government can do exactly that.

Which is why you can expense a Smart Book, but a Wii in the boss's office, not so much.

No one is telling them "how to run their business". In fact, the insurance companies have stated they will pay for the contraception for no additional expense (because contraception is more expensive than Natal Care.)

 

[Sunshine]

Since always, pretty much.

In the case of health care benefits, it's deducted as a business expense, and the company gets a special tax break for providing them, which givest he government the authority to dictate what should be in a valid plan.

That's ridiculous. That is like saying the government gets to decide what brand of computer a company uses just because it is a business expense. A benefit package is just that. An offering by a company. And deducting a business expense does not give the government the right to come in and dictate how you run your business.

The government can do exactly that.

Which is why you can expense a Smart Book, but a Wii in the boss's office, not so much.

No one is telling them "how to run their business". In fact, the insurance companies have stated they will pay for the contraception for no additional expense (because contraception is more expensive than Natal Care.)

And you cannot see the difference in those two things. No wonder you are such a loser.

 

[thanatos144]

Forcing someone to purchase insurance that covers abortion pills is in fact forcing someone to go against thier faith.....But Progressive democrats being the fascists they are don't understand that....

We understand. We just don't care. NOBODY'S religion should matter more than anyone else's.

And FYI, that's not a fascist tenet, a government that's blind with respect to religion is of the Liberal Faith.

They are not blind to a faith they are actively attacking it. You fascists make me sick.

 

[JoeB131]

That's ridiculous. That is like saying the government gets to decide what brand of computer a company uses just because it is a business expense. A benefit package is just that. An offering by a company. And deducting a business expense does not give the government the right to come in and dictate how you run your business.

The government can do exactly that.

Which is why you can expense a Smart Book, but a Wii in the boss's office, not so much.

No one is telling them "how to run their business". In fact, the insurance companies have stated they will pay for the contraception for no additional expense (because contraception is more expensive than Natal Care.)

And you cannot see the difference in those two things. No wonder you are such a loser.

Not at all... although I did notice you changed your AVI from the kneeling girl.

Anyway, point being, once you grabbed that tax credit with both hands, you really don't have any business complaining about what is in it.

Hobby Lobby needs to sit down, shut up, pay for contraception and stop trying to push their sky pixie on their employees.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Since when does the government get to decide what a company's benefit package includes?

Since always, pretty much.

In the case of health care benefits, it's deducted as a business expense, and the company gets a special tax break for providing them, which givest he government the authority to dictate what should be in a valid plan.

That's ridiculous. That is like saying the government gets to decide what brand of computer a company uses just because it is a business expense. A benefit package is just that. An offering by a company. And deducting a business expense does not give the government the right to come in and dictate how you run your business.

Health care coverage is different because our choices in coverage are pretty much limited to an employers group health plan provided by self or spouse. Besides, if your company is going to lease you a car as part of a compensation package, the expectation is that the car will meet certain government minimum standards and minimum standards is what puts the 'value' in Value Added Compensation.

If you feel strongly enough about changing the standards in the law, write your CongressMonkey.... Until then, buckle up and obey the law, religious objections be damned.

When Religious Law pushes Civil Law, Democracy pays a price.

American history is living proof of that. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXY1_F5YkoM]Paper Lace-The Night Chicago Died - YouTube[/ame]

Do any of you Monkeys remember when the blue-haired old Christian biddies banded together politically to prohibit the sale of liquid party supplies?
Good times for gun sales... Good times.​

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[Sunshine]

Since always, pretty much.

In the case of health care benefits, it's deducted as a business expense, and the company gets a special tax break for providing them, which givest he government the authority to dictate what should be in a valid plan.

That's ridiculous. That is like saying the government gets to decide what brand of computer a company uses just because it is a business expense. A benefit package is just that. An offering by a company. And deducting a business expense does not give the government the right to come in and dictate how you run your business.

Health care coverage is different because our choices in coverage are pretty much limited to an employers group health plan provided by self or spouse. Besides, if your company is going to lease you a car as part of a compensation package, the expectation is that the car will meet certain government minimum standards and minimum standards is what puts the 'value' in Value Added Compensation.

If you feel strongly enough about changing the standards in the law, write your CongressMonkey.... Until then, buckle up and obey the law, religious objections be damned.

When Religious Law pushes Civil Law, Democracy pays a price.

American history is living proof of that. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXY1_F5YkoM]Paper Lace-The Night Chicago Died - YouTube[/ame]

Do any of you Monkeys remember when the blue-haired old Christian biddies banded together politically to prohibit the sale of liquid party supplies?
Good times for gun sales... Good times.​

[SIZE="-3"]`[/SIZE]​

Birth control is not 'health care.' Quite the contrary. Contraceptive pills and IUDs have been shown to actually CAUSE medical problems. Serious life threatening medical problems. Costly medical problems. If health care is the issue, then every insurance plan and Medicaid needs to stop buying pills. Same if health care costs are the issue. And your chose is not limited. You can always buy private insurance. OR y ou can start and HSA. Oh wait, this is America where people get to screw without consequences.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

That’s not at issue.

How exactly does the ACA compel the owners themselves of Hobby Lobby to use contraceptives?

Requiring employers to provide comprehensive health insurance coverage as a form of compensation which may or may not include the administering of contraceptive therapies in no way directly effects the owners, who are free to use contraceptives or not.

What an employer’s employee does with his compensation – regardless its form – is the employee’s business and the employee’s business alone.

Since when does the government get to decide what a company's benefit package includes?

Since always, pretty much.

In the case of health care benefits, it's deducted as a business expense, and the company gets a special tax break for providing them, which givest he government the authority to dictate what should be in a valid plan.

How collossally fucking stupid. You don't get tax breaks for providing benefits you stupid asshat.

 

[JoeB131]

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How collossally fucking stupid. You don't get tax breaks for providing benefits you stupid asshat.

Uh, yeah, actually, you do. YOu can deduct them as business expenses...

Archive: State Programs to Subsidize or Reduce the Cost of Health Insurance for Small Businesses

 

[AVG-JOE]

That's ridiculous. That is like saying the government gets to decide what brand of computer a company uses just because it is a business expense. A benefit package is just that. An offering by a company. And deducting a business expense does not give the government the right to come in and dictate how you run your business.

Health care coverage is different because our choices in coverage are pretty much limited to an employers group health plan provided by self or spouse. Besides, if your company is going to lease you a car as part of a compensation package, the expectation is that the car will meet certain government minimum standards and minimum standards is what puts the 'value' in Value Added Compensation.

If you feel strongly enough about changing the standards in the law, write your CongressMonkey.... Until then, buckle up and obey the law, religious objections be damned.

When Religious Law pushes Civil Law, Democracy pays a price.

American history is living proof of that. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXY1_F5YkoM]Paper Lace-The Night Chicago Died - YouTube[/ame]

Do any of you Monkeys remember when the blue-haired old Christian biddies banded together politically to prohibit the sale of liquid party supplies?
Good times for gun sales... Good times.​

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Birth control is not 'health care.' Quite the contrary. Contraceptive pills and IUDs have been shown to actually CAUSE medical problems. Serious life threatening medical problems. Costly medical problems. If health care is the issue, then every insurance plan and Medicaid needs to stop buying pills. Same if health care costs are the issue. And your chose is not limited. You can always buy private insurance. OR y ou can start and HSA. Oh wait, this is America where people get to screw without consequences.

According to the current code of Civil Law, it is.
I happen to agree with that law and I'll vote and communicate with my CongressMonkey accordingly.

WYGD?​

 

[Ravi]

That's ridiculous. That is like saying the government gets to decide what brand of computer a company uses just because it is a business expense. A benefit package is just that. An offering by a company. And deducting a business expense does not give the government the right to come in and dictate how you run your business.

Health care coverage is different because our choices in coverage are pretty much limited to an employers group health plan provided by self or spouse. Besides, if your company is going to lease you a car as part of a compensation package, the expectation is that the car will meet certain government minimum standards and minimum standards is what puts the 'value' in Value Added Compensation.

If you feel strongly enough about changing the standards in the law, write your CongressMonkey.... Until then, buckle up and obey the law, religious objections be damned.

When Religious Law pushes Civil Law, Democracy pays a price.

American history is living proof of that. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXY1_F5YkoM]Paper Lace-The Night Chicago Died - YouTube[/ame]

Do any of you Monkeys remember when the blue-haired old Christian biddies banded together politically to prohibit the sale of liquid party supplies?
Good times for gun sales... Good times.​

[SIZE="-3"]`[/SIZE]​

Birth control is not 'health care.' Quite the contrary. Contraceptive pills and IUDs have been shown to actually CAUSE medical problems. Serious life threatening medical problems. Costly medical problems. If health care is the issue, then every insurance plan and Medicaid needs to stop buying pills. Same if health care costs are the issue. And your chose is not limited. You can always buy private insurance. OR y ou can start and HSA. Oh wait, this is America where people get to screw without consequences.

All prescription drugs have side effects, twit. Quit with the hysteria.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That's ridiculous. That is like saying the government gets to decide what brand of computer a company uses just because it is a business expense. A benefit package is just that. An offering by a company. And deducting a business expense does not give the government the right to come in and dictate how you run your business.

Health care coverage is different because our choices in coverage are pretty much limited to an employers group health plan provided by self or spouse. Besides, if your company is going to lease you a car as part of a compensation package, the expectation is that the car will meet certain government minimum standards and minimum standards is what puts the 'value' in Value Added Compensation.

If you feel strongly enough about changing the standards in the law, write your CongressMonkey.... Until then, buckle up and obey the law, religious objections be damned.

When Religious Law pushes Civil Law, Democracy pays a price.

American history is living proof of that. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXY1_F5YkoM]Paper Lace-The Night Chicago Died - YouTube[/ame]

Do any of you Monkeys remember when the blue-haired old Christian biddies banded together politically to prohibit the sale of liquid party supplies?
Good times for gun sales... Good times.​

[SIZE="-3"]`[/SIZE]​

Birth control is not 'health care.' Quite the contrary. Contraceptive pills and IUDs have been shown to actually CAUSE medical problems. Serious life threatening medical problems. Costly medical problems. If health care is the issue, then every insurance plan and Medicaid needs to stop buying pills. Same if health care costs are the issue. And your chose is not limited. You can always buy private insurance. OR y ou can start and HSA. Oh wait, this is America where people get to screw without consequences.

Nonsense, birth control is indeed healthcare.

An employee is entitled to use his health insurance compensation as he sees fit, the same as salary compensation, free of interference from the employer. The Commerce Clause authorizes Congress to regulate wages and compensation. See US v. Darby (1941).

Your objection to the requirement is subjective and partisan, having nothing to do with the facts of law and public policy, as already accurately explained to you.

 

[jtpr312]

Forcing someone to purchase insurance that covers abortion pills is in fact forcing someone to go against thier faith.....But Progressive democrats being the fascists they are don't understand that....

We understand. We just don't care. NOBODY'S religion should matter more than anyone else's.

And FYI, that's not a fascist tenet, a government that's blind with respect to religion is of the Liberal Faith.

And this my unAmerican little shit, is the number 1 reason we will never allow you leftsit scumbags to disarm us. We KNOW you don't give a crap about other people's rights, that's obvious. That is the mark of you Godless, leftist, scumbags, just like it was the mark of your heroes Mao and Stalin. And here's some FYI for you. A govt that would use force and threats of punishment to break it's own Constitution IS the very epitome of a Facist govt. Maybe you're ignorant of what the 1st Amendment says, so I'll educate you on the relevent portion here. 1st Amendment; Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Now when Congress passes a law forcing people to go against their faith by providing aborticants to others, that IS Congress making law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Freaking traitorous scumbags all of you leftsits.

 

[jtpr312]

The last I heard, Hobby Lobby is not a church. It's a business.

Another public school educated dumbass that has no clue what the Constitution says. Let me help you out dim.
1st amendment; Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

No mention of ONLY in church. If congress makes a law that prohibits you from practicing your religion, ANYWHERE, that is unconstituional, period.

What law did Congress make regarding Hobby Lobby's insurance plan?

Another American dumbass. You probably vote also don't you? You and people like you are the reason I believe they need to test people on civics, American history, reading comprehension, 20th century world history and current event prior to allowing them to get a voter's registration card. We allow clueless idiots to vote and then we wonder why we have the quality of leadership that we do. Congress passed, and the pos president signed into law, what we have come to call "obamacare" but is in reality called The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Under this law, employers MUST pay for their employees to recieve aborticants and birth control even if doing so is against the relgious beliefs of these employers, which is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment's Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. If you are forced by law to engage in actions that are contricitory to the practicing of your faith, you have lost your 1st Amendment rights.

 

[JoeB131]

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And this my unAmerican little shit, is the number 1 reason we will never allow you leftsit scumbags to disarm us. We KNOW you don't give a crap about other people's rights, that's obvious. That is the mark of you Godless, leftist, scumbags, just like it was the mark of your heroes Mao and Stalin. And here's some FYI for you. A govt that would use force and threats of punishment to break it's own Constitution IS the very epitome of a Facist govt. Maybe you're ignorant of what the 1st Amendment says, so I'll educate you on the relevent portion here. 1st Amendment; Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Now when Congress passes a law forcing people to go against their faith by providing aborticants to others, that IS Congress making law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Freaking traitorous scumbags all of you leftsits.

If they feel that strongly about it, they should shut down their business.

The minute they claimed they were entitled to a tax break from the government for providing health care to their employees, they were subject to whatever the government considered valid insurance coverage. Sorry.

 

[JoeB131]

No it's not a stretch at all first off, and secondly, it's more than birth control, (which is against the practices of the papist faith), it is providing aborticants, which is against the entire Christian faith. If your faith is against aborticants and birth control and you are forced to participate in the distribution of them, that is prohibiting you from exercising your religion. My faith says life begins at the moment of conception, therefore to make me participate in the distribution of aborticants, goes against the practice of my faith. This is just one example of why I'm glad that as an employer, I will not hire anyone that isn't a conservative, bible believing Christian.

You think Christians aren't out there having abortions just like secular folks?

 

[jtpr312]

The last I heard, Hobby Lobby is not a church. It's a business.

Another public school educated dumbass that has no clue what the Constitution says. Let me help you out dim.
1st amendment; Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

No mention of ONLY in church. If congress makes a law that prohibits you from practicing your religion, ANYWHERE, that is unconstituional, period.

That’s not at issue.

How exactly does the ACA compel the owners themselves of Hobby Lobby to use contraceptives? Typical of the Godless liberal, stuck on stupid. Let me help you out Dim. Number 1. It's not just a question of contreceptives at issue here, it is aborticants also. Number 2. It's not a question of us, meaing Christians and Catholics, who are the ones who have a big problem with the contreceptives, taking them or using them, it's the fact that we are being forced to pay for them and help distribute them. We beleive life starts at the moment of conception, therefore forcing us to provide and pay for aborticants is asking us to participate in murder according to our faith.


Requiring employers to provide comprehensive health insurance coverage as a form of compensation which may or may not include the administering of contraceptive therapies in no way directly effects the owners, who are free to use contraceptives or not. Again, get out of the stupid gear son. It is NOT just about contraceptives, which actually I think if you want them you should pony up the cash and freeaking buy them, it's about aborticants, which again, to a christian, is asking us to pay to end a life.

What an employer’s employee does with his compensation – regardless its form – is the employee’s business and the employee’s business alone. NOT IF THE EMPLOYER IS PAYING THE FREAKING BILL. What part of that do you leftist a-holes find so hard to comprehend? Furthermore, why is that you leftists think other people should be forced to pay your freaking way in life? God you freaking people are worthless parasites.

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[jtpr312]

The last I heard, Hobby Lobby is not a church. It's a business.

Another public school educated dumbass that has no clue what the Constitution says. Let me help you out dim.
1st amendment; Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

No mention of ONLY in church. If congress makes a law that prohibits you from practicing your religion, ANYWHERE, that is unconstituional, period.

You simpleton. Any law that makes an exemption for a religion, is respecting an establishment. No one is forcing anyone to take birth control. The law provides a baseline of what is to be provided. That's it. Wrong dumbass. You have shown you don't even have a freaking clue what the establishment clause even means. Nobody may be forcing them to take aborticants, but they are forcing them to pay for the distibution of them, meaning they are being prohibited from exercising their religion.

Do Quakers taxes, in part, support military interventions? Is the tax dollars of Jews used, in part, to subsidize pig farms? Are the tax dollars of Muslims, in part, used to negotiate shell fishing management? Freaking moron. We aren't talking about tax money dumbass, we are talking about EMPLOYER provided and EMPOYER paid for services. See the differnce dumbass. I know you leftists have a hard time understanding this, but not everyone's money belongs to the govt. You're a fucking nitwit. Lol, from the dumbass that doesn't know the difference between tax money and corporate/private money.

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