Manonthestreet
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Our co fired a guy who had been employed for 4-5 yrs for simply not mentioning something on his physical. Sounded like an honest oversight. He was well liked and did exellent work....
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Can you kindly provide an example of how you have been antagonized??It is the in your face attitude. Fags want to antagonize everybody, then they are whining that Jesus was forgiving etc....Private businesses should be allowed to discriminate. I would never use or except a job from a business that does that, but I wouldn't want to take away their right to do business with who they want either.
My question is for LBGT people: why do you want to use or work at a place you aren't welcome? If you are gay why do you want a job or get your wedding cake at Holy Spirit Bakery?
This isn't a 70 years ago and there is one bakery or a few employers there are many in most areas.
Ok so a mass murderer is forgiven as long as he repents before he dies? But someone who is gay and follows his heart shouldn't be forgiven? You would rather hire a repentant mass murderer then a unrepentant gay person? Sorry to put it in those terms but that is the logical conclusion to that argument.
The Constitution is the Constitution. It contains many passages. Read itThe Bible is the Bible . It contains many passages. Read itThat opens a whole other can of worms. If you say I'm allowed to ignore those teachings that don't fit your political narrative you just admitted to use religion as a cover for them. Kind of the point of the question but glad to have it confirmed.Simple, the Bible is bigger than JesusSo your stance is as long as your sexual preference is a secret I have no problem? To 2 and 3 you didn't answer at all. How do you reconcile Jesus teachings concerning forgiveness with refusing to hire gay people? That was the question.Are those sinners running around and are in your face yelling "I am an adulterer" or "I am a liar?" If your answer is no to those then you already have your answer to your question. I did not address re-marrying because it has different criteria.1. I understand that the Bible says homosexual sex is a sin, but what about other sins like lying, adultery, or re-marrying? Would you refuse to hire someone who had violated the Commandments?
To your #2 and #3 questions the answer is the same. Quit the "in your face" attitude and everything will be just fine.
Including when your religion is Climatology or Communism.Religious freedom doesn't include making others follow the "rules" of your religion....that sharia law.
Ok so a mass murderer is forgiven as long as he repents before he dies? But someone who is gay and follows his heart shouldn't be forgiven? You would rather hire a repentant mass murderer then a unrepentant gay person? Sorry to put it in those terms but that is the logical conclusion to that argument.
You invoked the teachings of Jesus on forgiveness...and I informed you that you were mistaken.
My religion doesn't require that I hire, or refuse to hire either. But the government should also not force me to hire either. Jesus chose to eat with sinners, and he didn't rebuke those who chose not to do so. A person with deeply held religious convictions should not be forced by the government to embrace sin, or be forced to invite sin into their business. Whether that is paying for abortion or contraception, or hiring people who engage in behavior the owners religious beliefs codify as sinful.
That is religious freedom.
It's not like we just made this stuff up last year...it has been a part of our religion for millenia. The prohibitions against homosexuality are recorded in the very first book of the Bible...Genesis 19:4-5 and continue through out the Old Testament and into the New...Jesus reiterated the proclamations that God had made them male and female...and that a man should leave his father and mother and be joined with his wife. There isn't any room for discussion in that statement.
Religious freedom doesn't include making others follow the "rules" of your religion....that sharia law.
If a religious person chooses to overlook sin that is completely different than being forced to embrace sin by the government.
It's what you get when you choose to have a secular government, as opposed to one where a religion gets to make the laws of the land.
A secular government that must not infringe religious freedom.
I hate religion and even I can see how you are ignoring how is failure to repent (stop practicing homosexuality) disqualifies him from working at a religious institution that abhors the practice.Ok so a mass murderer is forgiven as long as he repents before he dies? But someone who is gay and follows his heart shouldn't be forgiven? You would rather hire a repentant mass murderer then a unrepentant gay person? Sorry to put it in those terms but that is the logical conclusion to that argument.
This misses the point.Why would anyone mention their sexual preference to an employer?
Religious freedom doesn't include making others follow the "rules" of your religion....that sharia law.
I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I expect the same consideration.
Maybe he saw the Gay Pride Parade on the internet.Can you kindly provide an example of how you have been antagonized??It is the in your face attitude. Fags want to antagonize everybody, then they are whining that Jesus was forgiving etc....Private businesses should be allowed to discriminate. I would never use or except a job from a business that does that, but I wouldn't want to take away their right to do business with who they want either.
My question is for LBGT people: why do you want to use or work at a place you aren't welcome? If you are gay why do you want a job or get your wedding cake at Holy Spirit Bakery?
This isn't a 70 years ago and there is one bakery or a few employers there are many in most areas.
Which version? There are many.The Bible is the Bible . It contains many passages. Read itThat opens a whole other can of worms. If you say I'm allowed to ignore those teachings that don't fit your political narrative you just admitted to use religion as a cover for them. Kind of the point of the question but glad to have it confirmed.Simple, the Bible is bigger than JesusSo your stance is as long as your sexual preference is a secret I have no problem? To 2 and 3 you didn't answer at all. How do you reconcile Jesus teachings concerning forgiveness with refusing to hire gay people? That was the question.Are those sinners running around and are in your face yelling "I am an adulterer" or "I am a liar?" If your answer is no to those then you already have your answer to your question. I did not address re-marrying because it has different criteria.1. I understand that the Bible says homosexual sex is a sin, but what about other sins like lying, adultery, or re-marrying? Would you refuse to hire someone who had violated the Commandments?
To your #2 and #3 questions the answer is the same. Quit the "in your face" attitude and everything will be just fine.
Ignorant nonsense.wjmacguffin ... Let me turn that around for you...should liars and adulterers (those who remarry would also be classified as adulterous) be given special protections under the law?
If a religious person chooses to overlook sin that is completely different than being forced to embrace sin by the government.
Those are not religions.
Define a "secular" business.You are not forced to operate a secular business that would require you by law to violate your religious beliefs.
You have the right to own a gun, that doesn't come with the right to murder people with it.
You have a right to practice your religion, that doesn't come with the right to break other laws in the process.
Needless to say you’ll get no honest responses from the most on the religious right – you’ll get only lies, ignorance, and fallacies.I'm liberal more than anything else, but I like to reach out and try to understand the POV of conservatives so I don't think y'all are one big lump.
In light of the White House's directive reversing anti-discrimination employment rules for gay folks, I was hoping some religious conservatives could help me understand by answering a few questions. (Or, since I know this site, call me an idiotic libturd who hates America.)
1. I understand that the Bible says homosexual sex is a sin, but what about other sins like lying, adultery, or re-marrying? Would you refuse to hire someone who had violated the Commandments?
2. It seems to me that Christ spent most of his time with sinners. How do you reconcile forgiveness and love that Jesus preached with wanting to keep your work free from sinners?
3. Do you feel that hiring someone gay violates your faith? If so, why?
(NOTE: I am not addressing the whole "gay wedding cake" clusterfuck. This is about supporting the White House saying employers can fire or refuse to hire someone based on religion.)
As usual, I'll give respect when respect is shown. Thanks!
Let me see if I can help to screw your head on the right way.wjmacguffin ... Let me turn that around for you...should liars and adulterers (those who remarry would also be classified as adulterous) be given special protections under the law?
If a religious person chooses to overlook sin that is completely different than being forced to embrace sin by the government.
Dhaaaaa...Laws against discrimination, dude!!You have the right to own a gun, that doesn't come with the right to murder people with it.
You have a right to practice your religion, that doesn't come with the right to break other laws in the process.
What law am I violating?