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Dear, these are the specific enumerations of those general social Powers:The Congress shall have the powersorry about that; i didn't mean to quibble that point with you.I will try to keep it simple for you, right winger.
We do not have a common offense clause nor general warfare clause in our federal Constitution. We have a Common defense clause and a General welfare clause.
See post #1012 freak.
here is the simplified version:
These are the general social Powers delegated to our federal Congress by We the People:
The Congress shall have the power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;
but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:
Maybe you should include the remainder of the paragraph so you have some context.
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;
but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:
There is nothing ambiguous about the general powers; to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare.
Except general welfare and common defense weren't general powers, they were spending categories just like paying the existing debt. The were limited in the remainder of the paragraph to specific powers that were to be paid for.
Sorry but the Constitution does not say provide for the general welfare at all.These are the general social Powers delegated to our federal Congress:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?
yes, dear, it does.Sorry but the Constitution does not say provide for the general welfare at all.These are the general social Powers delegated to our federal Congress:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
How poor do the poor have to be before they stop eating bon bons and go to work?
Giving the poor money guarantees that they will have more and greater needs to be met next time. They will be more creatively poor next time.
So you are saying that the following clauses are putting a limitation on the three spending items of clause one, to pay debts, provide for defense and general welfare. If that were the case the syntax of the section would make no sense.Yet, the right wing would have us believe social services cost too much with a General Welfare clause, not a common welfare clause.Jesus only wants you sweetie to pay taxes when the taxes go to pay for flaming Napalm to drop on the poor folks in other countries...if that is what you want to believe go for it LOLWhen you take YOUR OWN money and give it to the needy, that's a great thing. When you take other peoples money and give it to the needy and claim credit for yourself, that's liberalism.
By the way I laugh at your term "confiscated" you only use it when the money goes to the poor and the elderly...the Confiscation is Only Good when it goes for KILLINGs
Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,754,886,448,763
The tax and spend clause does not give individual powers, the limiting clauses that follow it do. You're just not very smart, are ya?
Dear, these are the specific enumerations of those general social Powers:The Congress shall have the powersorry about that; i didn't mean to quibble that point with you.See post #1012 freak.
here is the simplified version:
These are the general social Powers delegated to our federal Congress by We the People:
The Congress shall have the power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;
but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:
Maybe you should include the remainder of the paragraph so you have some context.
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;
but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:
There is nothing ambiguous about the general powers; to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare.
Except general welfare and common defense weren't general powers, they were spending categories just like paying the existing debt. The were limited in the remainder of the paragraph to specific powers that were to be paid for.
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;Where are you getting your right wing fantasy from?
Republicans.who actually believes the poor are problematic?
So you are saying that the following clauses are putting a limitation on the three spending items of clause one, to pay debts, provide for defense and general welfare. If that were the case the syntax of the section would make no sense.Yet, the right wing would have us believe social services cost too much with a General Welfare clause, not a common welfare clause.Jesus only wants you sweetie to pay taxes when the taxes go to pay for flaming Napalm to drop on the poor folks in other countries...if that is what you want to believe go for it LOLWhen you take YOUR OWN money and give it to the needy, that's a great thing. When you take other peoples money and give it to the needy and claim credit for yourself, that's liberalism.
By the way I laugh at your term "confiscated" you only use it when the money goes to the poor and the elderly...the Confiscation is Only Good when it goes for KILLINGs
Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,754,886,448,763
The tax and spend clause does not give individual powers, the limiting clauses that follow it do. You're just not very smart, are ya?
Look at clause 2, to borrow Money on the credit of the United States. Clearly that is not a limitation placed on paying debt, providing for defense or providing for general welfare. Also clause 18, the last clause of section is certainly not limiting the spending items listed clause 1. As long as you consider each clause in the section independently, the section makes perfect sense.
The rights solution: Throw the bums onto the street....If they have enough money then they can get a education but if not = fuck you.
That is a sure bet that we will have a much larger lower class and little to no middle class.....All the right cares about is the 1-2% on the top...The right is evil.
We don't have a common offense clause nor a general warfare clause; why can we spend tax monies on alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror, but not the general welfare?Dear, these are the specific enumerations of those general social Powers:The Congress shall have the powersorry about that; i didn't mean to quibble that point with you.
here is the simplified version:
These are the general social Powers delegated to our federal Congress by We the People:
The Congress shall have the power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;
but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:
Maybe you should include the remainder of the paragraph so you have some context.
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;
but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:
There is nothing ambiguous about the general powers; to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare.
Except general welfare and common defense weren't general powers, they were spending categories just like paying the existing debt. The were limited in the remainder of the paragraph to specific powers that were to be paid for.
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;Where are you getting your right wing fantasy from?
I posted where the guy that wrote it says otherwise. So did the folks that debated it in the convention.
I doubt you have the capacity to actually read this, but give it a try.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1: James Madison to Andrew Stevenson
We are supposed to provide for the common defense, not the common offense nor the general warfare.The federal government is supposed to promote the general welfare of the states. Not send everyone a check once a month.
Dear, this says it all: to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United StatesSo you are saying that the following clauses are putting a limitation on the three spending items of clause one, to pay debts, provide for defense and general welfare. If that were the case the syntax of the section would make no sense.Yet, the right wing would have us believe social services cost too much with a General Welfare clause, not a common welfare clause.Jesus only wants you sweetie to pay taxes when the taxes go to pay for flaming Napalm to drop on the poor folks in other countries...if that is what you want to believe go for it LOLWhen you take YOUR OWN money and give it to the needy, that's a great thing. When you take other peoples money and give it to the needy and claim credit for yourself, that's liberalism.
By the way I laugh at your term "confiscated" you only use it when the money goes to the poor and the elderly...the Confiscation is Only Good when it goes for KILLINGs
Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,754,886,448,763
The tax and spend clause does not give individual powers, the limiting clauses that follow it do. You're just not very smart, are ya?
Look at clause 2, to borrow Money on the credit of the United States. Clearly that is not a limitation placed on paying debt, providing for defense or providing for general welfare. Also clause 18, the last clause of section is certainly not limiting the spending items listed clause 1. As long as you consider each clause in the section independently, the section makes perfect sense.
There is no clause 2 in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 it reads as follows:
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
The remainder of the Section are known as the limiting clauses, each one starts "to provide, meaning to pay for, or to promote a subject/s by providing. Madison explained "Common Defense" and "General Welfare" are mere objects of the limiting clauses.
Read Federalist 45 and the letter in the link and read how Madison explained it in his own words.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1: James Madison to Andrew Stevenson
Then decide to believe what you've been told or what the guy that wrote it says.
Why can we pay for a war on drugs, but not the general welfare?The rights solution: Throw the bums onto the street....If they have enough money then they can get a education but if not = fuck you.
That is a sure bet that we will have a much larger lower class and little to no middle class.....All the right cares about is the 1-2% on the top...The right is evil.
No dimwit, the rights solution is for the federal government to stop sucking 25+% of the countries life blood to waste on inefficient and largely ineffective bullshit programs so the States can have the money available to take care of their own.
You people really believe by cutting education for the poor, cutting job training, doing away with workers protections and just throwing people onto the cold hard street is going to make them not poor? lol...
You'll have 10 times as many poor with this mindset.
What we need to focus on is rebuilding a middle class and we do this by 1. Enforcing antitrust laws the keep the richest from running the little guy out of the market and 2. Moving more of the wealth into the hands of more people by either increasing wages(minimum wage or some kind of pay to the lowest worker like law) or more education/high paying skills for more Americans.
When is, AI going to replace CEOs?You people really believe by cutting education for the poor, cutting job training, doing away with workers protections and just throwing people onto the cold hard street is going to make them not poor? lol...
You'll have 10 times as many poor with this mindset.
What we need to focus on is rebuilding a middle class and we do this by 1. Enforcing antitrust laws the keep the richest from running the little guy out of the market and 2. Moving more of the wealth into the hands of more people by either increasing wages(minimum wage or some kind of pay to the lowest worker like law) or more education/high paying skills for more Americans.
Did you ever ask yourself why jobs moved overseas in the first place? Ever ask yourself why employers are replacing people with machines?
Forcing employers to pay more for labor only accelerates that problem.
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We don't have a common offense clause nor a general warfare clause; why can we spend tax monies on alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror, but not the general welfare?Dear, these are the specific enumerations of those general social Powers:The Congress shall have the powerMaybe you should include the remainder of the paragraph so you have some context.
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;
but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:
There is nothing ambiguous about the general powers; to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare.
Except general welfare and common defense weren't general powers, they were spending categories just like paying the existing debt. The were limited in the remainder of the paragraph to specific powers that were to be paid for.
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;Where are you getting your right wing fantasy from?
I posted where the guy that wrote it says otherwise. So did the folks that debated it in the convention.
I doubt you have the capacity to actually read this, but give it a try.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1: James Madison to Andrew Stevenson
Why can we pay for a war on drugs, but not the general welfare?The rights solution: Throw the bums onto the street....If they have enough money then they can get a education but if not = fuck you.
That is a sure bet that we will have a much larger lower class and little to no middle class.....All the right cares about is the 1-2% on the top...The right is evil.
No dimwit, the rights solution is for the federal government to stop sucking 25+% of the countries life blood to waste on inefficient and largely ineffective bullshit programs so the States can have the money available to take care of their own.
I have noticed that the drug war provides for the general badfare, not the general welfare. We do not have a common offense clause nor a general warfare clause.We don't have a common offense clause nor a general warfare clause; why can we spend tax monies on alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror, but not the general welfare?Dear, these are the specific enumerations of those general social Powers:The Congress shall have the power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;
but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:
There is nothing ambiguous about the general powers; to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare.
Except general welfare and common defense weren't general powers, they were spending categories just like paying the existing debt. The were limited in the remainder of the paragraph to specific powers that were to be paid for.
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;Where are you getting your right wing fantasy from?
I posted where the guy that wrote it says otherwise. So did the folks that debated it in the convention.
I doubt you have the capacity to actually read this, but give it a try.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1: James Madison to Andrew Stevenson
There are a lot of powers granted toward the General Welfare:
To borrow money and pay the Nations debts
To regulate commerce between our Nation and Foreign Nations
To regulate commerce between the States
To regulate commerce with Indian Tribes
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization
To establish a uniform rule for bankruptcies
To coin money and regulate its value
To regulate the value of foreign coin
To fix the standards of weights and measures
To provide for the punishment of the counterfeiting of securities
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting money
To establish Post Offices
To establish Post roads
To Promote the sciences and useful arts by providing patents and copyrights.
To constitute courts inferior to the Supreme Court
To define and punish Piracies and felonies on the high seas
To punish offenses against the Law of Nations
If you notice they are all to benefit the Union as a whole, none are directed at individual States or the People which are States responsibilities.
James Madison the father of our Constitution explained it this way:
The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. James Madison Federalist 45
That was the understanding of the people who initially ratified the Constitution, if you want it done differently, see Article 5.
