Human activity & coral reef degradation

[Luddly Neddite]

We should do away with all the coastal cities that are polluting our oceans. Like New York, Los Angles, San Francisco, Seattle, New Orleans...etc....I wonder what it is that they all have in common......Oh, that's right. They're liberal.

Their stench is killing off the coral reefs. Thank the liberals everyone...

Global climate change is taking care of wiping out coastal cities.

 

[westwall]

We should do away with all the coastal cities that are polluting our oceans. Like New York, Los Angles, San Francisco, Seattle, New Orleans...etc....I wonder what it is that they all have in common......Oh, that's right. They're liberal.

Their stench is killing off the coral reefs. Thank the liberals everyone...

Global climate change is taking care of wiping out coastal cities.

How many have gone under?

 

[SSDD]

using chemicals to "stun" tropical fish which, incidentally kills coral as well.

When folks live subsidence lives on the margins of existence, they do stupider things. And their priorities are not the same as Americans who fret about the brutality of staying alive close to nature.

And they don't get played by the pros at WWF... They've got no money to buy lobster lunches for the lawyers.

One should note that the majority of those living subsidence lives "close to nature" are living those lives because environmentalists have blocked electrical generating facilities for one reason or another. Had the electrical generation been allowed, perhaps the coral reefs would be safe from people trying to earn a few cents a day to merely stay alive.

 

[Dot Com]

^ you mean by foisting IMF/World Bank loans onto them to finance it just so their 1% can utilize it? Surely you jest That ponzi scheme is so "yesterday". (see my thread on the Banking industry documentary )

 

[Old Rocks]

using chemicals to "stun" tropical fish which, incidentally kills coral as well.

When folks live subsidence lives on the margins of existence, they do stupider things. And their priorities are not the same as Americans who fret about the brutality of staying alive close to nature.

And they don't get played by the pros at WWF... They've got no money to buy lobster lunches for the lawyers.

One should note that the majority of those living subsidence lives "close to nature" are living those lives because environmentalists have blocked electrical generating facilities for one reason or another. Had the electrical generation been allowed, perhaps the coral reefs would be safe from people trying to earn a few cents a day to merely stay alive.

links?

 

[whitehall]

There is an area that US Sailors once called "Ironbottom Sound" near Savo Island in the South Pacific because there were so many sunken ships after the WW2 Guadalcanal campaign. Every type of ship including oil tankers and huge battleships loaded with ammunition and unbelievable toxic junk including the remains of thousands of humans is lying on the bottom of the once pristine ocean. You would think there would be a no-mans land of toxic sludge today but it's an underwater park visited by scuba tourists and, strangely enough, protected from looting. Harry Truman once authorized the forced removal of native South Pacific Islanders with a phony treaty reminiscent of the worthless paper offered to American Indians so he could test Atomic freaking bombs. The coral reefs were obliterated and today they are back and so are the Bikini Islanders. The freaking school yard whining about the environment by propaganda influenced low information union educated lefties is nothing but an extortion scam intended to destroy the U.S.

 

[flacaltenn]

^ hyperbole much?

come on. lets keep this discussion above board shall we?

That IS above board.. Solid suggestion.. If the UN is so invested in enviro topics, let them TAKE ACTION on cleaning up International Waters and preventing the leakage of trash from 3rd world countries.. Not an impossible or expensive task to be honest about it..

Might make folks more sympathetic to the UN in general...
And you thought it was hyperbole to suggest the UN get off their fat asses and do something?



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[flacaltenn]

^ you mean by foisting IMF/World Bank loans onto them to finance it just so their 1% can utilize it? Surely you jest That ponzi scheme is so yesterday. (see my thread on the Banking industry documentary )

That is enough BullShit to bury the Washington Monument. Loans don't go DIRECTLY to the freakin poor to develop infrastructure in a country. In a FAIR world, there would be benefits for EVERYONE. In corrupt shitholes with tyrants, it might turn out badly. And blaming that on the IMF --- is just childish and driven by anti-capitalist memes of the street pissers.

And AGAIN -- you offer no hope and no solutions and proclaim that everyone else is speaking hyperbole..

 

[jc456]

seriously people, stop treating the ocean like your personal sewer One day, after your long dead and gone, someone will look at the condition of the oceans and wonder why the fucktards from the 21st century treated the oceans as thier personal cesspool.

Coral Triangle | Places | WWF

discuss...

Man Made Reefs Created in the Gulf of Mexico from Non-Producing Oil Platforms - News - Bubblews
Here,

 

[Dot Com]

^ you mean by foisting IMF/World Bank loans onto them to finance it just so their 1% can utilize it? Surely you jest That ponzi scheme is so yesterday. (see my thread on the Banking industry documentary )

That is enough BullShit to bury the Washington Monument. Loans don't go DIRECTLY to the freakin poor to develop infrastructure in a country. In a FAIR world, there would be benefits for EVERYONE. In corrupt shitholes with tyrants, it might turn out badly. And blaming that on the IMF --- is just childish and driven by anti-capitalist memes of the street pissers.

And AGAIN -- you offer no hope and no solutions and proclaim that everyone else is speaking hyperbole..

I see you haven't perused my well-documented banking thread which goes over exactly that

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Tell 'em about the Oregon Oysters!!

 

[Dot Com]

look who is here everyone dblack's debating sidekick Take it outside carbon boi

 

[flacaltenn]

^ you mean by foisting IMF/World Bank loans onto them to finance it just so their 1% can utilize it? Surely you jest That ponzi scheme is so yesterday. (see my thread on the Banking industry documentary )

That is enough BullShit to bury the Washington Monument. Loans don't go DIRECTLY to the freakin poor to develop infrastructure in a country. In a FAIR world, there would be benefits for EVERYONE. In corrupt shitholes with tyrants, it might turn out badly. And blaming that on the IMF --- is just childish and driven by anti-capitalist memes of the street pissers.

And AGAIN -- you offer no hope and no solutions and proclaim that everyone else is speaking hyperbole..

I see you haven't perused my well-documented banking thread which goes over exactly that

Sorry man.. My back-up HazMat suit is at the cleaners. Only one toxic DotCom thread at a time..

 

[waltky]

Mysterious starfish deaths puzzle marine biologists...

Starfish deaths in North America vex scientists
Sun, May 04, 2014 - Scientists are struggling to find the cause of a disease that is killing off numerous species of starfish on both the Pacific and Atlantic coasts of North America, dispatching the five-armed creatures in a particularly gruesome way.

Researchers said on Thursday they have ruled out some possible culprits including fungi, some parasites and certain other microorganisms and are taking a hard look at whether viruses or bacteria may be to blame. The starfish, also called sea stars, are being obliterated by an unexplained wasting disease that causes white lesions to appear before the animal’s body sags and ruptures and it spills out its internal organs. “The magnitude of it is very concerning. There’s the potential that some of these species could actually go extinct,” said Cornell University ecologist Drew Harvell, one of the scientists involved in the loosely organized search for a cause. Harvell said she is concerned because the mysterious pathogen is affecting 18 different species along their entire range.

Pathogens that affect an animal’s range in such a way, like a fungus that has targeted frogs, can be particularly damaging, she said. The disease appeared last year and is showing no indication of abating. “I wish we had a sign that it was petering out, but believe me it definitely is not,” Harvell said. The scientists seem to have more questions than answers.
“What is it that has caused this? Where did it come from? If it’s exotic, how did it get here? Is it something that’s likely to be repeated?” asked Pete Raimondi, chairman of the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the University of California, Santa Cruz. Raimondi expressed concern that the disease that is killing the starfish could be a harbinger of bad things to come for other marine species. “This is a really difficult disease in lots of ways because it’s very virulent,” Raimondi said.

The researchers said that starfish were the victims of previous diseases in past decades that reduced their numbers, but the current one is more serious. The scientists are wondering whether the starfish have been infected by a virus, bacterium or something else unwittingly imported to the region, or whether a pathogen already present somehow became more dangerous, Raimondi added. Scientists prefer to call the animal a sea star rather than a starfish because these marine creatures are not fish, but rather echinoderms, cousins of sand dollars, sea cucumbers and sea urchins. Most have five arms, although some have many more.

They are remarkably durable creatures, and when healthy are able to regenerate lost limbs. They are predators and use suction to pull shells apart to get at the soft body inside. When the shells are pried opened, the starfish pushes its stomach out of its body and into the prey, secreting enzymes that digest the victim’s soft body parts. They are significant predators in their ecosystems, the scientists said. “These animals are really important ecologically. If they do go extinct, or at least ecologically extinct for some period of time, there undoubtedly would be some really huge impacts on the ecosystems that they live in,” Oregon State University marine community ecologist Bruce Menge said.

Starfish deaths in North America vex scientists - Taipei Times

 

[Dot Com]

Coastal Blue Carbon

Do Not Disturb

Coastal salt marshes, mangroves, and seagrass beds are incredibly efficient at absorbing and storing large quantities of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. These habitats contain large stores of carbon accumulated over hundreds to thousands of years. But if we disturb or destroy these coastal areas, enormous amounts of carbon stored in the soil are released back to the atmosphere, contributing to climate change.

This applies to the Eastern Siberian tundra as well

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Mysterious starfish deaths puzzle marine biologists...

Starfish deaths in North America vex scientists
Sun, May 04, 2014 - Scientists are struggling to find the cause of a disease that is killing off numerous species of starfish on both the Pacific and Atlantic coasts of North America, dispatching the five-armed creatures in a particularly gruesome way.

Researchers said on Thursday they have ruled out some possible culprits including fungi, some parasites and certain other microorganisms and are taking a hard look at whether viruses or bacteria may be to blame. The starfish, also called sea stars, are being obliterated by an unexplained wasting disease that causes white lesions to appear before the animal’s body sags and ruptures and it spills out its internal organs. “The magnitude of it is very concerning. There’s the potential that some of these species could actually go extinct,” said Cornell University ecologist Drew Harvell, one of the scientists involved in the loosely organized search for a cause. Harvell said she is concerned because the mysterious pathogen is affecting 18 different species along their entire range.

Pathogens that affect an animal’s range in such a way, like a fungus that has targeted frogs, can be particularly damaging, she said. The disease appeared last year and is showing no indication of abating. “I wish we had a sign that it was petering out, but believe me it definitely is not,” Harvell said. The scientists seem to have more questions than answers.
“What is it that has caused this? Where did it come from? If it’s exotic, how did it get here? Is it something that’s likely to be repeated?” asked Pete Raimondi, chairman of the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the University of California, Santa Cruz. Raimondi expressed concern that the disease that is killing the starfish could be a harbinger of bad things to come for other marine species. “This is a really difficult disease in lots of ways because it’s very virulent,” Raimondi said.

The researchers said that starfish were the victims of previous diseases in past decades that reduced their numbers, but the current one is more serious. The scientists are wondering whether the starfish have been infected by a virus, bacterium or something else unwittingly imported to the region, or whether a pathogen already present somehow became more dangerous, Raimondi added. Scientists prefer to call the animal a sea star rather than a starfish because these marine creatures are not fish, but rather echinoderms, cousins of sand dollars, sea cucumbers and sea urchins. Most have five arms, although some have many more.

They are remarkably durable creatures, and when healthy are able to regenerate lost limbs. They are predators and use suction to pull shells apart to get at the soft body inside. When the shells are pried opened, the starfish pushes its stomach out of its body and into the prey, secreting enzymes that digest the victim’s soft body parts. They are significant predators in their ecosystems, the scientists said. “These animals are really important ecologically. If they do go extinct, or at least ecologically extinct for some period of time, there undoubtedly would be some really huge impacts on the ecosystems that they live in,” Oregon State University marine community ecologist Bruce Menge said.

Starfish deaths in North America vex scientists - Taipei Times

CO2 causes disease... girls, music, disease, heartbreak...they all go together.

 

[Dot Com]

you think this is all a game!!! The oceans & estuaries are > just something purty to look at

 

[flacaltenn]

Coastal Blue Carbon

Do Not Disturb

Coastal salt marshes, mangroves, and seagrass beds are incredibly efficient at absorbing and storing large quantities of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. These habitats contain large stores of carbon accumulated over hundreds to thousands of years. But if we disturb or destroy these coastal areas, enormous amounts of carbon stored in the soil are released back to the atmosphere, contributing to climate change.

This applies to the Eastern Siberian tundra as well

Are you not aware that all life on the planet is Carbon based? Is this news to you?
NATURE is recycling 25 TIMES more CO2 than man..

I don't know why you are troubled by the NATURAL carbon cycle of a Mangrove swamp..
Know what ?? You build a new dam.. Flood entire valleys with water. That hydro project becomes a CO2 SOURCE for centuries. NEW hydro is more of a GHGas emitter than a lot of fossil generators.. But it was ONCE the darling favored power source of the enviros.

 

[flacaltenn]

If that link really was from NOAA -- they are writing in Dr Seuss fashion to communicate with the minds of mush..

These habitats contain large stores of carbon accumulated over hundreds to thousands of years. But if we disturb or destroy these coastal areas, enormous amounts of carbon stored in the soil are released back to the atmosphere, contributing to climate change.

CARBON doesn't fly up into the atmos. Unless it's fly ash or emissions from fires. And if you "disturb" a marsh and CO2 comes out --- it would have come out eventually. These public servants are so bound up with non-scientific dogma and lingo -- that what they write is dribble..

This CRUSADE to confuse Carbon with CO2 is making them appear to be morons..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Coastal Blue Carbon

Do Not Disturb

Coastal salt marshes, mangroves, and seagrass beds are incredibly efficient at absorbing and storing large quantities of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. These habitats contain large stores of carbon accumulated over hundreds to thousands of years. But if we disturb or destroy these coastal areas, enormous amounts of carbon stored in the soil are released back to the atmosphere, contributing to climate change.

This applies to the Eastern Siberian tundra as well