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80zephyr said:
Psychological gobbledygook to confuse the gullible. It appears to work.

So, let me ask again, what about anorexics? They view themselves as fat, should we also support them by trying to dissuade them from eating?

Transsexualism and anorexia are both examples of body dysphoria.
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You certainly don’t disappoint! I said that you were unwilling to learn anything that might undermine the basis of your belief – that trans people are just mentally ill- and you proved me right. I suggested that there are underlying biological causes or gender dysphoria and you want nothing of that. You called it :gobbledygook to confuse the gullible. "
Willfully ignorant is more accurate

I will add that even if gender dysphoria is entirely psychological, that is not an excuse to disparage and demean trans people as you seem to revel doing, Clearly those of you who are invested in believing that they are just mentally ill treat them and talk about them differently then others with mental health issues. So either way you’re a bigot , Calling them mentally ill does not really provide you with much cover.

This anorexia thing is just another distraction -another logical fallacy -this time a red herring employed to avoid an honest discussion about trans people . You’re doing the same thing here as you did when you interjected the topic of polygamy into the discussion on gay marriage

True, Transsexualism and anorexia are both examples of body dysphoria but with different cause and different approaches to treatment. The anorexic does in fact have a distorted body image. The trans person likely is in touch with the essence who they really are on some level. But again, I understand your reluctance to actually consider any such esoteric viewpoint because it threatens everything that you thought that you know-and desperately need to believe- about gender.

I’m going to guess that your question asking if we should dissuade those with anorexia from eating is another attempt to set up one of your appeal to hypocrisy logical fallacies. You encourage an anorexic to eat and you encourage the trans person to explore their gender identity. Come back when your ready to have an honest, adult discussion of the topic-which I think will be never
 
TheProgressivePatriot said:
You certainly don’t disappoint! I said that you were unwilling to learn anything that might undermine the basis of your belief – that trans people are just mentally ill- and you proved me right. I suggested that there are underlying biological causes or gender dysphoria and you want nothing of that. You called it :gobbledygook to confuse the gullible. "
Willfully ignorant is more accurate

I will add that even if gender dysphoria is entirely psychological, that is not an excuse to disparage and demean trans people as you seem to revel doing, Clearly those of you who are invested in believing that they are just mentally ill treat them and talk about them differently then others with mental health issues. So either way you’re a bigot , Calling them mentally ill does not really provide you with much cover.

This anorexia thing is just another distraction -another logical fallacy -this time a red herring employed to avoid an honest discussion about trans people . You’re doing the same thing here as you did when you interjected the topic of polygamy into the discussion on gay marriage

True, Transsexualism and anorexia are both examples of body dysphoria but with different cause and different approaches to treatment. The anorexic does in fact have a distorted body image. The trans person likely is in touch with the essence who they really are on some level. But again, I understand your reluctance to actually consider any such esoteric viewpoint because it threatens everything that you thought that you know-and desperately need to believe- about gender.

I’m going to guess that your question asking if we should dissuade those with anorexia from eating is another attempt to set up one of your appeal to hypocrisy logical fallacies. You encourage an anorexic to eat and you encourage the trans person to explore their gender identity. Come back when your ready to have an honest, adult discussion of the topic-which I think will be never
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Lol. There is no biological reason for transsexualism. But lets say there is. So what? Since changing from a man to a woman(or vice versa) is fraught with medical complications, it would be so much better if medical science would try to find a cure rather than wallpapering over a problem.

The "anorexia thing" is not a distraction but a logical comparison of two similar problems. Trans-abled and trans racial are yet two more examples of people believing they are something they are not.

You charge that I "revel in demeaning" trans people. Horseshit. That is the typical response of a leftist when they are confronted with facts they don't like.
 
80zephyr said:
Lol. There is no biological reason for transsexualism. But lets say there is. So what? Since changing from a man to a woman(or vice versa) is fraught with medical complications, it would be so much better if medical science would try to find a cure rather than wallpapering over a problem.

The "anorexia thing" is not a distraction but a logical comparison of two similar problems. Trans-abled and trans racial are yet two more examples of people believing they are something they are not.

You charge that I "revel in demeaning" trans people. Horseshit. That is the typical response of a leftist when they are confronted with facts they don't like.
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My god! You are insufferable!! Just repeating that there is no biological reason for transsexualism” does not make it true , but it does make you look rather foolish as does your suggestion that they should find a cure rather than transition people. If you ever bother to pick up a piece of literature on the subject, you would know that the types of biological factors that I’m referring to cannot be altered. You would also know that transitioning is no so much changing one gender into another but rather, aligning their outward physiology with their inner gender and identity . But I’m sure that none of that interests you. I suspect that you’re too terrified to even consider it. Because it up ends everything that you must believe about gender.

Then you whine about anorexia not being a distraction while at the same time you throw in two other …..DISTRACTIONS. all predicated on your faulty and ignorant understanding of transsexuality .

And you most certainly demean the trans people, if in no other way , by refusing to acknowledge the reality of their condition and the need for proper gender affirming care. Suggesting that they be cured is cruel and idiotic. You made it clear that you do not support equal rights for gays so I find it hard to believe that you would for trans people. I'm finding you to be very annoying and disingenuous
 
80zephyr said:
Lol. There is no biological reason for transsexualism. But lets say there is. So what? Since changing from a man to a woman(or vice versa) is fraught with medical complications, it would be so much better if medical science would try to find a cure rather than wallpapering over a problem.

The "anorexia thing" is not a distraction but a logical comparison of two similar problems. Trans-abled and trans racial are yet two more examples of people believing they are something they are not.

You charge that I "revel in demeaning" trans people. Horseshit. That is the typical response of a leftist when they are confronted with facts they don't like.
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  • Gene Variants:
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  • Estrogen and Androgen Pathways:
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    • Prenatal Hormone Exposure:
      Prenatal exposure to hormones, particularly testosterone, is believed to play a role in the development of the brain and reproductive organs, and some researchers suggest that differences in prenatal hormone exposure may contribute to transgender identity.
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d0gbreath said:
50 years ago, the closets were full, used for protection.
But dadgummit, them there freaks are diffrent. The must be hated and persecuted. Jesus would've wanted it that way.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Please pardon us if we don't value it as much as you do.

Fifty years ago, I finished high school without a single teacher or peer trying to talk me into believing I was actually a boy.

Never even knew a single person whose experience was any different from mine.

These days, it's FASHIONABLE to think you were born in the wrong body.




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TheProgressivePatriot said:
My god! You are insufferable!! Just repeating that there is no biological reason for transsexualism” does not make it true , but it does make you look rather foolish as does your suggestion that they should find a cure rather than transition people. If you ever bother to pick up a piece of literature on the subject, you would know that the types of biological factors that I’m referring to cannot be altered. You would also know that transitioning is no so much changing one gender into another but rather, aligning their outward physiology with their inner gender and identity . But I’m sure that none of that interests you. I suspect that you’re too terrified to even consider it. Because it up ends everything that you must believe about gender.

Then you whine about anorexia not being a distraction while at the same time you throw in two other …..DISTRACTIONS. all predicated on your faulty and ignorant understanding of transsexuality .

And you most certainly demean the trans people, if in no other way , by refusing to acknowledge the reality of their condition and the need for proper gender affirming care. Suggesting that they be cured is cruel and idiotic. You made it clear that you do not support equal rights for gays so I find it hard to believe that you would for trans people. I'm finding you to be very annoying and disingenuous
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Your ability to deny reality is also very annoying and disingenuous. So there's that.

Something like 80% of the children that claim to be transsexual grow out of it. If its genetic, that wouldn't be happening.
 
TheProgressivePatriot said:
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Trans Genes? | Center for the Advanced Study of Human Paleobiology | Columbian College of Arts & Sciences | The George Washington University

On February 26, 2020, the Idaho state House passed a bill banning transgender female athletes from participating in school sports on female teams.
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I get a huge kick outta these "studies". They use the words "may", "could", "might", etc.. Never anything definitive. My belief is most of these studies are political.
 
80zephyr said:
Your ability to deny reality is also very annoying and disingenuous. So there's that.

Something like 80% of the children that claim to be transsexual grow out of it. If its genetic, that wouldn't be happening.
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I would need to see documentation of that statistic. Even if true, it means that at least 20% -for what ever reason- do not grow out of it. But they all need support and care while they are struggling to discover who they are – which you are not willing to afford them , Rather , you attitude is that they should just get over it. When denied adequate suppert and understanding they become self destructive, You have blood on your hands I am not the one denying reality
 
80zephyr said:
I get a huge kick outta these "studies". They use the words "may", "could", "might", etc.. Never anything definitive. My belief is most of these studies are political.
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I don’t get any kick at all from you science denying , anti-intellectual , low information Jadrools who arrogantly proclaim that you know, beyond a doubt- without having done any research whatsoever-that there is no biological basis for it. The studies at least are honest and acknowledge that there are some grey areas ‘ In any case, as I pointed out earlier , insisting that it’s a mental illness does not absolve you. You are still a bigot. You marginalize and denigrate people who are different and trying to find their way in life because of your own insecurities and fears
 
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TheProgressivePatriot said:
I would need to see documentation of that statistic. Even if true, it means that at least 20% -for what ever reason- do not grow out of it. But they all need support and care while they are struggling to discover who they are – which you are not willing to afford them , Rather , you attitude is that they should just get over it. When denied adequate suppert and understanding they become self destructive, You have blood on your hands I am not the one denying reality
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The stat is real. Now, if 80% of confused kids figure it out, it leaves about 20% that need serious help. Tell me, what other condition where a person denies reality would you believe?
 
TheProgressivePatriot said:
I don’t get any kick at all from you science denying , anti-intellectual , low information Jadrools who arrogantly proclaim that you know, beyond a doubt- without having done any research whatsoever-that there is no biological basis for it. The studies at least are honest and acknowledge that there are some grey areas ‘ In any case, as I pointed out earlier , insisting that it’s a mental illness does not absolve you. You are still a bigot. You marginalize and denigrate people who are different and trying to find their way in life because of your own insecurities and fears
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I have marginalized and denigrated no one. That is happening only in your mind, because you need to feel this way toward me to make you feel good about yourself. Reality and facts are not bigotry, they simply are.
 
80zephyr said:
I have marginalized and denigrated no one. That is happening only in your mind, because you need to feel this way toward me to make you feel good about yourself. Reality and facts are not bigotry, they simply are.
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I feel just fine about myself Bud, Trying to make this about me is just another of your diversionary tactics to avoid a serious discussion of the issues -much like your parade of logical fallacies from appeals to hypocrisy to red herrings to non sequiturs .

On this thread-which was about same sex marriage and which you derailed by interjected the transsexual issue you have taken numerous idiotic, and bigoted positions

  • You stubbornly maintained that gay couples should not be allowed to marry because they cant produce children which is so wrong a=on a number of levels
  • You claimed that if gays are allowed to marry then polygamy should be legal while ignoring and denying the significant difference in terms of social and legal issues
  • You stupidly and offensively claimed that liberals want to normalize pedophilia
  • You continue to insist that gender dysphoria is a mental illness and that there is no biological basis for it- despite being presented with extensive evidence to the contrary
  • You have compared transpeople -who you disparagingly call “trannies” -to anorexics because they both involve body image issues while ignoring the stark differences
  • You suggested than trans people could be medically “cured” while ignoring and denying the fact that evidence shows would not be possible due to the fact there are immutable characteristic like genetic makeup and brain structure
  • Your entire tone has been that of ridicule and marginalization towards the LGBT community and if you dare claim that you support equal rights for them you will be called out as a liar,
  • Throughout you have repeatedly attempted to gaslight me by claiming that I am denying reality while it is you who is out of touch….or just playing some sick game.
One thing that you’re right about .Reality and facts are not bigotry. But you do not have the facts on your side and your reality is nothing short of bizarre.

My work is done here . You have been exposed for what you are. A bigot
 
80zephyr said:
The stat is real. Now, if 80% of confused kids figure it out, it leaves about 20% that need serious help. Tell me, what other condition where a person denies reality would you believe?
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I have serious doubts about that stat, but let’s say its real. So what is your point exactly? What does it indicate for treatment, not knowing which ones with later decide that they are not trans? Here’s an idea. Just treat them all like they’re all crazy. Try to “cure” them and never suggest that maybe they are really transgender ? . Then wait and watch. The ones who kill themselves are the real trans kids. It’s kind of like throwing someone who is suspected of being a witch into a pond with a rock tied to her . If she drowns she is not a witch. Tell us how you would treat a child with gender dysphoria
 
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TheProgressivePatriot said:
I feel just fine about myself Bud, Trying to make this about me is just another of your diversionary tactics to avoid a serious discussion of the issues -much like your parade of logical fallacies from appeals to hypocrisy to red herrings to non sequiturs .

On this thread-which was about same sex marriage and which you derailed by interjected the transsexual issue you have taken numerous idiotic, and bigoted positions

  • You stubbornly maintained that gay couples should not be allowed to marry because they cant produce children which is so wrong a=on a number of levels
  • You claimed that if gays are allowed to marry then polygamy should be legal while ignoring and denying the significant difference in terms of social and legal issues
  • You stupidly and offensively claimed that liberals want to normalize pedophilia
  • You continue to insist that gender dysphoria is a mental illness and that there is no biological basis for it- despite being presented with extensive evidence to the contrary
  • You have compared transpeople -who you disparagingly call “trannies” -to anorexics because they both involve body image issues while ignoring the stark differences
  • You suggested than trans people could be medically “cured” while ignoring and denying the fact that evidence shows would not be possible due to the fact there are immutable characteristic like genetic makeup and brain structure
  • Your entire tone has been that of ridicule and marginalization towards the LGBT community and if you dare claim that you support equal rights for them you will be called out as a liar,
  • Throughout you have repeatedly attempted to gaslight me by claiming that I am denying reality while it is you who is out of touch….or just playing some sick game.
One thing that you’re right about .Reality and facts are not bigotry. But you do not have the facts on your side and your reality is nothing short of bizarre.

My work is done here . You have been exposed for what you are. A bigot
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Oh please just quit with this "disagree" crap https://www.usmessageboard.com/members/ohpleasejustquit.83053/

Do you have a functioning brain that would allow you to do any thing other that respond with an emoji? What the fuck do you disagree with?. I nailed him and you know it
 
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