If Mexico can't eliminate the cartels, should the US military do the job ?

[Kruska]

Self-Defense. I know leftwingers have trouble wrapping their heads around this simple concept, but it has never been more relevant than right now. Mexican cartels & gangs from other latin-American countries have been killing Americans with fentanyl & other drugs + violence at a rate far surpassing Americans killed in Vietnam.

ACTION is required.

US Military needs to go into Mexico and team up with Mexican military, and destroy the cartels. This should be done with or without the consent of Mexican president Claudia Sheinbaum.

The US military hasn't won a single war that involved asymmetric warfare - not in Vietnam down to Afghanistan and Mali.
Therefore no nation that cares about it's own people would ever ask or allow the US military to come in and thus inflict 10'th of thousands of civilian casualties. aka a Gaza like situation in their own country.

The US military and it's mighty navy has been endlessly screwing around in the Philippines since 1945, and until today neither the Philippine military nor the US military is able to control the South-Philippine sea nor it's island and it's population in it's southern territories.

Therefore only US law enforcement units and e.g. the FBI, etc. might be able to support their Mexican counterparts in their fight against the Cartels. And once more then 100 US enforcement personal would be killed - the US will draw out it's units.

As such the US can only send tons of $$ to Mexico - taking the existing corruption into account, and let the Mexican security forces handle their own internal issue.

 

[Mac-7]

Wrong.
The governments of Mexico, South America, and Central America are all fake, being established by US mercenaries and weapons.
Cartels do not have significant forces, and have to operate by stealth, so if they were not popular, the people would turn them in.
The fact they are not being turned in, shows they are popular.

And there is no evidence of cartels being involved in slavery or prostitution.
It really makes no sense because the cartels can't run businesses like that in the US, and there would be no point in running them in their home country because everyone there is too poor to pay for it.

The narco terrorists kill people

Turn them in to the local police and may be dead the next day

 

[Woodznutz]

Wrong.
The people we need to be worried about are those who try to dictate, like the police and things like Prohibition.
The fact we are run by a dictatorship should be obvious when you look at the cost of health care compared to anywhere else.

Health care is expensive because of the sheer number of sick people, and the fact that we have so damaged our genetics that weird diseases have appeared that require expensive 'specialized' treatments.

 

[Rigby5]

I think you mean 'chemicals'. "Drugs" has a specific meaning here.

No, I mean "drugs" in the meaning here.
For example, the body releases drugs like endorphines as a reward drug.

{...
The opioid system in your body is a set of neurotransmitters your brain naturally produces that enable communication between neurons and activate protein receptors. These neurotransmitters include small proteinlike molecules like enkephalins and endorphins. These molecules regulate a tremendous number of functions in your body, including pain, pleasure, memory, the movements of your digestive system and more.

Opioid neurotransmitters activate receptors that are located in a lot of places in your body, including pain centers in your spinal cord and brain, reward and pleasure centers in your brain, and throughout the neurons in your gut. Normally, opioid neurotransmitters are released in only small quantities in these exact locations, so your body can use this system in a balanced way to regulate itself.
...}

If the body did not naturally make opioids, then they would not have any effect on us.
The artificial drugs work because our body uses them naturally, so we already have receptors for them.

 

[Mac-7]

The US military hasn't won a single war that involved asymmetric warfare - not in Vietnam down to Afghanistan and Mali.
Therefore no nation that cares about it's own people would ever ask or allow the US military to come in and thus inflict 10'th of thousands of civilian casualties.

The US military and it's mighty navy has been endlessly screwing around in the Philippines since 1945, and until today neither the Philippine military nor the US military is able to control the South-Philippine sea nor it's island and it's population in it's southern territories.

Therefore only US law enforcement units and e.g. the FBI, etc. might be able to support their Mexican counterparts in their fight against the Cartels. And once more then 100 US enforcement personal would be killed - the US will draw out it's units.

As such the US can only send tons of $$ to Mexico - taking the existing corruption into account, and let the Mexican security forces handle their own internal issue.

The mexicans cant deal with the narco gangs by themselves

Now the gangs threaten America directly

 

[Rigby5]

The narco terrorists kill people

Turn them in to the local police and may be dead the next day

Wrong.
Unless the police are on the take, you can turn the cartels in secretly.
The reality is that many areas would be starving if not for the cartels feeding them.

 

[Rigby5]

The mexicans cant deal with the narco gangs by themselves

Now the gangs threaten America directly

If the people supported the government, then Mexico could easily deal with the cartels.
The reason the government can't, is that the government is on the take from the cartels, and the cartels have popular support.

How does someone providing what others in the US want, harm anyone?
The only gangs threatening the US directly, are the DEA, BATF, HS, TSA, and all the fascists.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, I mean "drugs" in the meaning here.
For example, the body releases drugs like endorphines as a reward drug.

{...
The opioid system in your body is a set of neurotransmitters your brain naturally produces that enable communication between neurons and activate protein receptors. These neurotransmitters include small proteinlike molecules like enkephalins and endorphins. These molecules regulate a tremendous number of functions in your body, including pain, pleasure, memory, the movements of your digestive system and more.

Opioid neurotransmitters activate receptors that are located in a lot of places in your body, including pain centers in your spinal cord and brain, reward and pleasure centers in your brain, and throughout the neurons in your gut. Normally, opioid neurotransmitters are released in only small quantities in these exact locations, so your body can use this system in a balanced way to regulate itself.
...}

If the body did not naturally make opioids, then they would not have any effect on us.
The artificial drugs work because our body uses them naturally, so we already have receptors for them.

Thanks. That's a bridge too far for evolutionists (tossing a little troll in there).

 

[Mac-7]

Wrong.
Unless the police are on the take,

They are

 

[Mac-7]

If the people supported the government, then Mexico could easily deal with the cartels.
The reason the government can't, is that the government is on the take from the cartels, and the cartels have popular support.

How does someone providing what others in the US want, harm anyone?
The only gangs threatening the US directly, are the DEA, BATF, HS, TSA, and all the fascists.

Members of the government are on the take

 

[Woodznutz]

If the people supported the government, then Mexico could easily deal with the cartels.
The reason the government can't, is that the government is on the take from the cartels, and the cartels have popular support.

How does someone providing what others in the US want, harm anyone?
The only gangs threatening the US directly, are the DEA, BATF, HS, TSA, and all the fascists.

There's a trail of blood from production to consumption of illegal drugs. You ok with that?

 

[Kruska]

The mexicans cant deal with the narco gangs by themselves

Off course they could - provided the USA would factually support the Mexican security services in the appropriate way.

Now the gangs threaten America directly

No one is stopping the USA from conducting whatever is need in their own country.

 

[Edgetho]

I know they hate America. They tell us every day. That is why they want open borders and golbalism.

They are stupid fucking brainwashed useful idiots.

Yes, but mostly -- scum.

 

[Edgetho]

Members of the government are on the take

You mean -- Like dimocrap scum??

 

[Edgetho]

There's a trail of blood from production to consumption of illegal drugs. You ok with that?

Trump could invent the cure for cancer and dimocrap scum would find fault with it.

Not intended to be a joke -- FACT

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
No animal migrates due to hunting.
The only reason any animal migrates is when there are changing weather conditions that make survival difficult.
Like buffalo and birds.
The main sources of native hunting would be rabbits, deer, and elk, which do not migrate except slight changes in elevation when it snows.

And no, the big native tribes like the Mississippians survived mostly off agriculture.
They were experts in agriculture.
They created corn from little grass like seeds.

{...
The three staples of Native American food are corn, squash, and beans. Other foods that have been used widely in Native American culture include greens, Deer meat, berries, pumpkin, squash, and wild rice.
...}

The native Americans realized that corn, squash, and beans provide all 12 proteins at the same time, so make meat unnecessary. They were not big meat eaters.

Wrong dumbass animals migrate when hunted

The native tribes of north america lived off of hunting there were no mississippians

Corn was develped from grass in CENTRAAL and south america where most natives lived

The Natives in north america survivied off of a staple of meat requiring them to migrate and fight other humansd to survive

 

[IM2]

End the American organized crime cartels.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Open borders means more wealth is generated inside the US, so is good for everyone.
It also means that those who we steal from south of the border, are free to "follow the money" that we take from them.

Globalism only has to prevent needless wars.
Has no down side.
All the wars the US started were wrong, expensive, and paid for by taxes on the people.
We have to stop that.

It increases no wealth

We stole nothing

 

[Edgetho]

The mexicans cant deal with the narco gangs by themselves

Now the gangs threaten America directly

The Mexican government ARE the Cartels. If not on paper, in reality. The Cartels say 'Shit' and their government says , "What color?"

The Cartels Own the Mexican government. And the entirety of Mexico. Nothing happens in that Country without their permission.

 

[Edgetho]

Wrong dumbass animals migrate when hunted

The native tribes of north america lived off of hunting there were no mississippians

Corn was develped from grass in CENTRAAL and south america where most natives lived

The Natives in north america survivied off of a staple of meat requiring them to migrate and fight other humansd to survive

The Indigenous people of North, South and Central America had institutionalized cannibalism. Humans require Amino Acids to survive and other than a few rabbits and turkeys here and there, they had no Animal Husbandry. None.

And when they settled in an area, the resident Deer, Buffalo, Antelope, etc, etc were killed out in a matter of days if not hours. So, they ate other humans. It's just a fact. Human Beings can not live exclusively on vegetation. Even today, with all the modern advances in synthesizing protein, it can't be done without severe health consequences.

Archeological digs have proven beyond ANY doubt, that migrating natives on this continent brought with them captured humans as a food source. It's just a fact. They even found migrating Aztec tribes in California with captured Priests and Spanish missionaries in tow as a food source.

Don't wanna talk about it? Nobody does; but it doesn't change the facts