In Support Of A Palestinian State

[flacaltenn]

Hey.. I've got an idea. Let's discuss the OP topic !!!!

Doesn't involve Canaanites or the 1800s.. It's about solutions based on current REALITIES..
It's about blasting away at the NEGATIVITY and PESSIMISM in that Daniel Greenfield piece that this
thread is about..

Is Gaza a template for any realization of a larger Palestinian State? Will forcing a national government on the Palis lead to more infighting? Is there anyway around a struggle for power and a desire for resistance?

That sort of thing. There is NOT another 1000 years to resolve this issue. Clock is ticking. Figure it out..

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[MJB12741]

Hey.. I've got an idea. Let's discuss the OP topic !!!!

Doesn't involve Canaanites or the 1800s.. It's about solutions based on current REALITIES..
It's about blasting away at the NEGATIVITY and PESSIMISM in that Daniel Greenfield piece that this
thread is about..

Is Gaza a template for any realization of a larger Palestinian State? Will forcing a national government on the Palis lead to more infighting? Is there anyway around a struggle for power and a desire for resistance?

That sort of thing. There is NOT another 1000 years to resolve this issue. Clock is ticking. Figure it out..

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  • "Zone 2": Political Forum / Israel and Palestine Forum / Race Relations/Racism Forum / Religion & Ethics Forum / Environment Forum: Baiting and polarizing OP's (Opening Posts), and thread titles risk the thread either being moved or trashed. Keep it relevant, choose wisely. Each post must contain content relevant to the thread subject, in addition to any flame. No trolling. No hit and run flames. No hijacking or derailing threads.

I do not see the OP as negative & pessimistic. I see that as the reality. Any Palestinian State within Israel's reach can only result in two states at endless conflict.

 

[montelatici]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

 

[MJB12741]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

Wrong again. The Palestinians need their own Palestinian State with self determination. Far away from any control by Israel. Wouldn't it be wonderful if some Arab country would want Palestinians?

 

[docmauser1]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

Funny palistanians would want somebody else's state.

 

[MJB12741]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

Funny palistanians would want somebody else's state.

Let us all join together in hope the Palestinians don't force Israel to do what Jordan had to do to establish a lasting peace from the Palesti nians. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[montelatici]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

Funny palistanians would want somebody else's state.

Funny that Jews took Palestine from the Palestinians and renamed it Israel.

 

[MJB12741]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

Funny palistanians would want somebody else's state.

Funny that Jews took Palestine from the Palestinians and renamed it Israel.

Yes, you see, that's when the Jews became the Israelites. Pass it on. 'Atta boy!

 

[montelatici]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

Funny palistanians would want somebody else's state.

Funny that Jews took Palestine from the Palestinians and renamed it Israel.

Yes, you see, that's when the Jews became the Israelites. Pass it on. 'Atta boy!

At best, Israel lasted less than 300 years and ceased to exist in 721 BC. You haven't a clue, have you. Canaan lasted longer and later than Israel there are coins of the Canaanite city of Laodicea bearing the legend, "Of Laodicea, a metropolis in Canaan" from as late as 164 BC.

 

[docmauser1]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

Funny palistanians would want somebody else's state.

Let us all join together in hope the Palestinians don't force Israel to do what Jordan had to do to establish a lasting peace from the Palesti nians. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Amen, bro!!

 

[docmauser1]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

Funny palistanians would want somebody else's state.

Funny that Jews took Palestine from the Palestinians and renamed it Israel.

Palistanians don't know where their palistan is located, of course.

 

[Mindful]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

Funny palistanians would want somebody else's state.

Funny that Jews took Palestine from the Palestinians and renamed it Israel.

Palistanians don't know where their palistan is located, of course.

It's Jordan, isn't it?

 

[MJB12741]

That's why a unified state is the only remaining solution absent ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of one of the parties to the conflict.

Funny palistanians would want somebody else's state.

Funny that Jews took Palestine from the Palestinians and renamed it Israel.

Palistanians don't know where their palistan is located, of course.

It's Jordan, isn't it?

Jordan sure made the right decision in refusing Israel's offer to return the entire West Bank after the 67 war so they could just dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with.

 

[Mindful]

It follows that even a Palestinian state that would fail to meet codified Montevideo expectations could simply declare otherwise, and then act accordingly, "to defend its integrity and independence...."

More than likely, any such "defending" would subsequently involve incessant war and terror against "Occupied Palestine," also known as Israel. The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed in 1964, three years before there supposedly were any "Israeli Occupied Territories." What, then, exactly, was the PLO trying to "liberate?"

Whenever the PA finally decides it is time openly to declare statehood, certain explicit Montevideo standards and corollary criteria of statehood will need to be invoked.

Gatestoneinstitute

 

[Mindful]

Also from the Gatestoneinstitute:


Under relevant international law, a true state must always possess the following specific qualifications: (1) a permanent population; (2) a defined territory; (3) a government; and (4) the capacity to enter into relations with other states.

While this contingent condition of prior demilitarization of a Palestinian state may at first sound reassuring, it represents little more than a impotent legal expectation.

For one thing, no new state is ever under any obligation to remain "demilitarized," whatever else it may have actually agreed to during its particular pre-state incarnation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Also from the Gatestoneinstitute:


Under relevant international law, a true state must always possess the following specific qualifications: (1) a permanent population; (2) a defined territory; (3) a government; and (4) the capacity to enter into relations with other states.

While this contingent condition of prior demilitarization of a Palestinian state may at first sound reassuring, it represents little more than a impotent legal expectation.

For one thing, no new state is ever under any obligation to remain "demilitarized," whatever else it may have actually agreed to during its particular pre-state incarnation.

Under relevant international law, a true state must always possess the following specific qualifications: (1) a permanent population; (2) a defined territory; (3) a government; and (4) the capacity to enter into relations with other states.​

Link to where Israel defined its territory. Like a 1948 map of Israel.

 

[Mindful]

Also from the Gatestoneinstitute:


Under relevant international law, a true state must always possess the following specific qualifications: (1) a permanent population; (2) a defined territory; (3) a government; and (4) the capacity to enter into relations with other states.

While this contingent condition of prior demilitarization of a Palestinian state may at first sound reassuring, it represents little more than a impotent legal expectation.

For one thing, no new state is ever under any obligation to remain "demilitarized," whatever else it may have actually agreed to during its particular pre-state incarnation.

Under relevant international law, a true state must always possess the following specific qualifications: (1) a permanent population; (2) a defined territory; (3) a government; and (4) the capacity to enter into relations with other states.​

Link to where Israel defined its territory. Like a 1948 map of Israel.

I'm not playing your game of changing the goalposts.

Foist your sickening obsession on someone else.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It follows that even a Palestinian state that would fail to meet codified Montevideo expectations could simply declare otherwise, and then act accordingly, "to defend its integrity and independence...."

More than likely, any such "defending" would subsequently involve incessant war and terror against "Occupied Palestine," also known as Israel. The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed in 1964, three years before there supposedly were any "Israeli Occupied Territories." What, then, exactly, was the PLO trying to "liberate?"

Whenever the PA finally decides it is time openly to declare statehood, certain explicit Montevideo standards and corollary criteria of statehood will need to be invoked.

Gatestoneinstitute

The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed in 1964, three years before there supposedly were any "Israeli Occupied Territories." What, then, exactly, was the PLO trying to "liberate?"​

1948 occupied Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Also from the Gatestoneinstitute:


Under relevant international law, a true state must always possess the following specific qualifications: (1) a permanent population; (2) a defined territory; (3) a government; and (4) the capacity to enter into relations with other states.

While this contingent condition of prior demilitarization of a Palestinian state may at first sound reassuring, it represents little more than a impotent legal expectation.

For one thing, no new state is ever under any obligation to remain "demilitarized," whatever else it may have actually agreed to during its particular pre-state incarnation.

Under relevant international law, a true state must always possess the following specific qualifications: (1) a permanent population; (2) a defined territory; (3) a government; and (4) the capacity to enter into relations with other states.​

Link to where Israel defined its territory. Like a 1948 map of Israel.

I'm not playing your game of changing the goalposts.

Foist your sickening obsession on someone else.

I quote from your post and you say that I am changing the goalposts?

 

[Hollie]

It follows that even a Palestinian state that would fail to meet codified Montevideo expectations could simply declare otherwise, and then act accordingly, "to defend its integrity and independence...."

More than likely, any such "defending" would subsequently involve incessant war and terror against "Occupied Palestine," also known as Israel. The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed in 1964, three years before there supposedly were any "Israeli Occupied Territories." What, then, exactly, was the PLO trying to "liberate?"

Whenever the PA finally decides it is time openly to declare statehood, certain explicit Montevideo standards and corollary criteria of statehood will need to be invoked.

Gatestoneinstitute

The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed in 1964, three years before there supposedly were any "Israeli Occupied Territories." What, then, exactly, was the PLO trying to "liberate?"​

1948 occupied Palestine.

The PLO was nothing more than just another franchise of Islamic Terrorism Intl., Inc. ™

It doesn't any stretch of imagination or intellect to understand that Islamic terrorist franchises never liberate anyone from anything. All of them have the same habit of imposing their own peculiar version of retrograde theocratic totalitarianism.