Interesting: Righties are not upset about Jared Kushner & Staff using a Private Server

[Auld Phart]

Hillary has nothing to laugh about.

she spent over a billion dollars of her backers money, to lose to a man even less qualified than her.

(and to be less qualified than her takes some doing)

as her book goes #1... she gets to say whatever she wants now, the way she wants to say it AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace... by either resigning, being impeached or taken away in a straight jacket.

oh yaaaaaaaa.............. i'm sure she is having a real good time now watching,waiting...anticipating.

AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace...

true

because she failed in her lifes dream miserably, 50 years or so working campaigns, and beat by an amateur.

lol.... she reached great heights & without fred drumf bankrolling her start.

She 'reached great heights' by hanging on to Bills coattails, and running on his popularity.

Hell, she had to carpetbag from Arkansas to NY to win an election.

And Trump reached "great heights" by riding the popularity of a reality TV show geared to dumb people.

Are you sorry you voted for him?

 

[playtime]

gotta believe that 'eh? i don't blame ya. it's all you got. hillary is the one who will have the last laugh when trump goes down... & he will..

Hillary has nothing to laugh about.

she spent over a billion dollars of her backers money, to lose to a man even less qualified than her.

(and to be less qualified than her takes some doing)

as her book goes #1... she gets to say whatever she wants now, the way she wants to say it AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace... by either resigning, being impeached or taken away in a straight jacket.

oh yaaaaaaaa.............. i'm sure she is having a real good time now watching,waiting...anticipating.

AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace...

true

because she failed in her lifes dream miserably, 50 years or so working campaigns, and beat by an amateur.

lol.... she reached great heights & without fred drumf bankrolling her start.

She 'reached great heights' by hanging on to Bills coattails, and running on his popularity.

Hell, she had to carpetbag from Arkansas to NY to win an election.

yes... that's right.... she didn't earn any degrees or be involved with anything on her own b4 even meeting her first & only husband.. her life didn't didn't even begin until that meeting.... unlike the whores that latched onto captain crazy pants unless he bought them with money he would have never had if it weren't for daddy's seed $.

fact.

 

[playtime]

& last i heard, the question was raised as to whether any of the emails received or sent by trump's klan was classified info, so far.... no comment.

unlike hillary who never knowingly received or fwd any. a teeny tiny (C) embedded in the few that were circulated never had the big blazing official CLASSIFIED header on any of them.

unlike hillary who never knowingly received or fwd any.

well unless you are hitlery, there is no fking way you can make this statement with a straight face or tripping, but son, this is hilarious bubba. see this is the extreme tactic of the left. wow. Now you personally know what Hitlery knew and knows. when did you have the probes on her brain to know these thoughts? wow just fking wow.

Playtime thinks he's hitlery. wow.

lol.... says the dude sporting a cartoon spinach eating strong man.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

& last i heard, the question was raised as to whether any of the emails received or sent by trump's klan was classified info, so far.... no comment.

unlike hillary who never knowingly received or fwd any. a teeny tiny (C) embedded in the few that were circulated never had the big blazing official CLASSIFIED header on any of them.

unlike hillary who never knowingly received or fwd any.

well unless you are hitlery, there is no fking way you can make this statement with a straight face or tripping, but son, this is hilarious bubba. see this is the extreme tactic of the left. wow. Now you personally know what Hitlery knew and knows. when did you have the probes on her brain to know these thoughts? wow just fking wow.

uh-huh. every bit of what was investigated showed that. it was the conclusion of everybody involved. tutt tutt if you don't like it.

just like you won't be enjoying it when all the conspiracy ( not 'collusion' ) will be put to light & captain crazy pants et al will be doing a perp walk sort o' speak.

tic tock....

what was the conclusion on the 33k of emails that were deleted?

Here, let me Google that for you.... you rest....:

"
In late 2014, the State Department asked Clinton and other former secretaries of state to hand over any work-related emails they may have.

By then, Clinton had already "deleted some [emails] over time as an ordinary user would," FBI Director James Comey told lawmakers at a July congressional hearing.

And she tasked her legal team to determine which of the roughly 60,000 emails still on her server were work-related.

"Clinton told the FBI that she directed her legal team to provide any work-related or arguably work-related emails to State; however she did not participate in the development of the specific process to be used or in discussions of the locations of where her emails might exist," the FBI concluded in its investigative summary of the case.

Comey testified that the FBI "didn't find any evidence of evil intent and intent to obstruct justice.""

- ABC

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

as her book goes #1... she gets to say whatever she wants now, the way she wants to say it AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace... by either resigning, being impeached or taken away in a straight jacket.

oh yaaaaaaaa.............. i'm sure she is having a real good time now watching,waiting...anticipating.

AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace...

true

because she failed in her lifes dream miserably, 50 years or so working campaigns, and beat by an amateur.

lol.... she reached great heights & without fred drumf bankrolling her start.

She 'reached great heights' by hanging on to Bills coattails, and running on his popularity.

Hell, she had to carpetbag from Arkansas to NY to win an election.

And Trump reached "great heights" by riding the popularity of a reality TV show geared to dumb people.

yes, his accomplishments. glad you see the difference.

Are you suggesting Hilary had no accomplishments? you know, she is more educated , talented, and successful than most people here or most people you will ever meet. From whence comes this jealous, snide attack?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

as her book goes #1... she gets to say whatever she wants now, the way she wants to say it AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace... by either resigning, being impeached or taken away in a straight jacket.

oh yaaaaaaaa.............. i'm sure she is having a real good time now watching,waiting...anticipating.

AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace...

true

because she failed in her lifes dream miserably, 50 years or so working campaigns, and beat by an amateur.

lol.... she reached great heights & without fred drumf bankrolling her start.

She 'reached great heights' by hanging on to Bills coattails, and running on his popularity.

Hell, she had to carpetbag from Arkansas to NY to win an election.

And Trump reached "great heights" by riding the popularity of a reality TV show geared to dumb people.

Are you sorry you voted for him?

No.

 

[easyt65]

Have the liberals provided any evidence that Kushner

- Illegally stored To Secret Information on un-authorized, un-encrypted, un-secured servers, like Hillary did?

- Has illegally refused to comply with the FOIA and Federal Records Act, like Hillary did...more than 15,000 times?

- Has illegally granted persons who have no security clearances access to Top Secret information, as Hillary did?

- Ignored subpoenas calling for him to turn over all his financial documents / records / files / devices, the way Hillary deleted e-mails / files, BleachBit her server, destroyed devices with hammers, removed sim cards, and only turned in a few of her devices?

Yeah, I didn't think so...

 

[Auld Phart]

Hillary has nothing to laugh about.

she spent over a billion dollars of her backers money, to lose to a man even less qualified than her.

(and to be less qualified than her takes some doing)

as her book goes #1... she gets to say whatever she wants now, the way she wants to say it AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace... by either resigning, being impeached or taken away in a straight jacket.

oh yaaaaaaaa.............. i'm sure she is having a real good time now watching,waiting...anticipating.

AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace...

true

because she failed in her lifes dream miserably, 50 years or so working campaigns, and beat by an amateur.

lol.... she reached great heights & without fred drumf bankrolling her start.

She 'reached great heights' by hanging on to Bills coattails, and running on his popularity.

Hell, she had to carpetbag from Arkansas to NY to win an election.

yes... that's right.... she didn't earn any degrees or be involved with anything on her own b4 even meeting her first & only husband.. her life didn't didn't even begin until that meeting.... unlike the whores that latched onto captain crazy pants unless he bought them with money he would have never had if it weren't for daddy's seed $.

fact.

what degrees did she achieve before she met Bill?

Law?

I heard somewhere she didn't pass the bar til she was married and living in Arkansas.

Let me know when one of 'captain crazy pants' ex wives run for office, and win because they were married to him.

 

[Auld Phart]

true

because she failed in her lifes dream miserably, 50 years or so working campaigns, and beat by an amateur.

lol.... she reached great heights & without fred drumf bankrolling her start.

She 'reached great heights' by hanging on to Bills coattails, and running on his popularity.

Hell, she had to carpetbag from Arkansas to NY to win an election.

And Trump reached "great heights" by riding the popularity of a reality TV show geared to dumb people.

Are you sorry you voted for him?

No.

You're not sorry you voted for Trump?

You sure sound like it

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We couldn't get past a day during the election slamming Clinton about private servers...OMG

I call it: First excuse Fake News

The Brazenness of Trump's White House Staff Using Private Email

“Presidential son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner has corresponded with other administration officials about White House matters through a private email account set up during the transition last December,” Dawsey wrote. “Kushner and his wife, Ivanka Trump, set up their private family domain late last year before moving to Washington from New York, according to people with knowledge of events as well as publicly available internet registration records.”

Private account, not private server.

Private Email Server ..

Who owns it?

Crixus is saying gubermentrment server

I see. Ergo, the Kushner's are not using a private server.

 

[jc456]

Hillary has nothing to laugh about.

she spent over a billion dollars of her backers money, to lose to a man even less qualified than her.

(and to be less qualified than her takes some doing)

as her book goes #1... she gets to say whatever she wants now, the way she wants to say it AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace... by either resigning, being impeached or taken away in a straight jacket.

oh yaaaaaaaa.............. i'm sure she is having a real good time now watching,waiting...anticipating.

AND she won't be the one that will be leaving a presidency in disgrace...

true

because she failed in her lifes dream miserably, 50 years or so working campaigns, and beat by an amateur.

lol.... she reached great heights & without fred drumf bankrolling her start.

She 'reached great heights' by hanging on to Bills coattails, and running on his popularity.

Hell, she had to carpetbag from Arkansas to NY to win an election.

yes... that's right.... she didn't earn any degrees or be involved with anything on her own b4 even meeting her first & only husband.. her life didn't didn't even begin until that meeting.... unlike the whores that latched onto captain crazy pants unless he bought them with money he would have never had if it weren't for daddy's seed $.

fact.

you shouldn't talk about her husband like that. D'OH. she knew who he was.

 

[otto105]

We couldn't get past a day during the election slamming Clinton about private servers...OMG

I call it: First excuse Fake News

The Brazenness of Trump's White House Staff Using Private Email

“Presidential son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner has corresponded with other administration officials about White House matters through a private email account set up during the transition last December,” Dawsey wrote. “Kushner and his wife, Ivanka Trump, set up their private family domain late last year before moving to Washington from New York, according to people with knowledge of events as well as publicly available internet registration records.”

According to the NY voter rolls...Janet Kusxhner is married to some guy named Ivan.

 

[jc456]

& last i heard, the question was raised as to whether any of the emails received or sent by trump's klan was classified info, so far.... no comment.

unlike hillary who never knowingly received or fwd any. a teeny tiny (C) embedded in the few that were circulated never had the big blazing official CLASSIFIED header on any of them.

unlike hillary who never knowingly received or fwd any.

well unless you are hitlery, there is no fking way you can make this statement with a straight face or tripping, but son, this is hilarious bubba. see this is the extreme tactic of the left. wow. Now you personally know what Hitlery knew and knows. when did you have the probes on her brain to know these thoughts? wow just fking wow.

Playtime thinks he's hitlery. wow.

lol.... says the dude sporting a cartoon spinach eating strong man.

 

[jc456]

& last i heard, the question was raised as to whether any of the emails received or sent by trump's klan was classified info, so far.... no comment.

unlike hillary who never knowingly received or fwd any. a teeny tiny (C) embedded in the few that were circulated never had the big blazing official CLASSIFIED header on any of them.

unlike hillary who never knowingly received or fwd any.

well unless you are hitlery, there is no fking way you can make this statement with a straight face or tripping, but son, this is hilarious bubba. see this is the extreme tactic of the left. wow. Now you personally know what Hitlery knew and knows. when did you have the probes on her brain to know these thoughts? wow just fking wow.

uh-huh. every bit of what was investigated showed that. it was the conclusion of everybody involved. tutt tutt if you don't like it.

just like you won't be enjoying it when all the conspiracy ( not 'collusion' ) will be put to light & captain crazy pants et al will be doing a perp walk sort o' speak.

tic tock....

what was the conclusion on the 33k of emails that were deleted?

Here, let me Google that for you.... you rest....:

"
In late 2014, the State Department asked Clinton and other former secretaries of state to hand over any work-related emails they may have.

By then, Clinton had already "deleted some [emails] over time as an ordinary user would," FBI Director James Comey told lawmakers at a July congressional hearing.

And she tasked her legal team to determine which of the roughly 60,000 emails still on her server were work-related.

"Clinton told the FBI that she directed her legal team to provide any work-related or arguably work-related emails to State; however she did not participate in the development of the specific process to be used or in discussions of the locations of where her emails might exist," the FBI concluded in its investigative summary of the case.

Comey testified that the FBI "didn't find any evidence of evil intent and intent to obstruct justice.""

- ABC

funny what my google found:

From FBI fragments, a question: Did Team Clinton destroy evidence under subpoena?

"Nine days after the attack, on Sept. 20, 2012, the House Subcommittee on National Security, Homeland Defense, and Foreign Operations, which is part of the larger Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, sent a document request to Clinton, who was still Secretary of State. It was a broad request, intended to cover anything written or recorded in any way that might have something to do with Benghazi. It without question covered emails. The State Department produced some material in response, but never any emails from Clinton.

Several months later, on Aug. 1, 2013, the Oversight Committee issued a subpoena covering the documents asked for, but not received, after the Sept. 20, 2012 request.

In May, 2014, the House Select Committee on Benghazi was formed. On July 23, 2014, the State Department agreed to produce records to the committee. The FBI report picks up the story from there:"

I know you're going, Damn, where'd he find that google was supposed to get rid of that.

 

[iceberg]

true

because she failed in her lifes dream miserably, 50 years or so working campaigns, and beat by an amateur.

lol.... she reached great heights & without fred drumf bankrolling her start.

She 'reached great heights' by hanging on to Bills coattails, and running on his popularity.

Hell, she had to carpetbag from Arkansas to NY to win an election.

And Trump reached "great heights" by riding the popularity of a reality TV show geared to dumb people.

yes, his accomplishments. glad you see the difference.

Are you suggesting Hilary had no accomplishments? you know, she is more educated , talented, and successful than most people here or most people you will ever meet. From whence comes this jealous, snide attack?

she's also a bigger bitch than most women will ever be.

let's not leave that accomplishment out.

 

[NightFox]

We couldn't get past a day during the election slamming Clinton about private servers...OMG

I call it: First excuse Fake News

The Brazenness of Trump's White House Staff Using Private Email

“Presidential son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner has corresponded with other administration officials about White House matters through a private email account set up during the transition last December,” Dawsey wrote. “Kushner and his wife, Ivanka Trump, set up their private family domain late last year before moving to Washington from New York, according to people with knowledge of events as well as publicly available internet registration records.”

Private account, not private server.

Private Email Server ..

they are not using their own server. they are using like a gmail account or some other account where they don't control the server, unless i mis-read something.

Distinction without a difference, PRIVATE is the operative word as in NOT Federal Government owned, managed (i.e. subject to Federal Government information security and systems administrative policy & control) and approved.

gmail is hosted on PRIVATE servers as in privately owned and managed and in context NOT Federal Government approved.

in other words, if the feds want access to the e-mail, they can get it. i can go nuke my entire account on my own *.personalaccount.net that i have for myself, but my hosting provider will have all my records and can turn them over to them if needed.

in other words, they can't do things like run bleach bit, or lose 33k mails so no comparison really except to giggle and think this is the same.

Not really, any PRIVATE mail hosting provider can choose to nuke mailboxes and their entire contents and history at their own discretion and are under no obligations (other than contractual obligations ) to keep any historical data, if gmail were (for example) used by a business then Federal, State and Local retention laws would apply but the responsibility for compliance is on the business that's using the service not on the mail hosting provider.

yes a private one could. i said this and you're just moving words around. however, their backups should still have the mail/account history there.

I'm not trying to "move your words around", I'm trying to interpret what you said and it appeared that you were attempting to distinguish between the Queen of Corruptions use of a mail server that she owned & managed and WH staffers using private mail hosting services (you used the example of GMAIL), from a federal government perspective there is NO difference. If that wasn't your contention then I misread what you were trying to say and I apologize.

i did not say much of what you're saying i said so i'll move on. i never said google or a hosting provider was under obligation to make sure the accounts/customers comply. but they will have the mail if called for.

now i can hire a hoster that is a friend and get roughly the same as having a private server - but the hosting provider is now balls down to be responsible for their customers stated "private" needs.

The only obligation any mail hosting provider has is what is stated in its terms of service or what is specified under contract, that's why using personal mail accounts hosted on them to conduct business is a problem not only for government employees but also for employees of any business that has a rational information systems policy.

 

[iceberg]

Private account, not private server.

Private Email Server ..

they are not using their own server. they are using like a gmail account or some other account where they don't control the server, unless i mis-read something.

Distinction without a difference, PRIVATE is the operative word as in NOT Federal Government owned, managed (i.e. subject to Federal Government information security and systems administrative policy & control) and approved.

gmail is hosted on PRIVATE servers as in privately owned and managed and in context NOT Federal Government approved.

in other words, if the feds want access to the e-mail, they can get it. i can go nuke my entire account on my own *.personalaccount.net that i have for myself, but my hosting provider will have all my records and can turn them over to them if needed.

in other words, they can't do things like run bleach bit, or lose 33k mails so no comparison really except to giggle and think this is the same.

Not really, any PRIVATE mail hosting provider can choose to nuke mailboxes and their entire contents and history at their own discretion and are under no obligations (other than contractual obligations ) to keep any historical data, if gmail were (for example) used by a business then Federal, State and Local retention laws would apply but the responsibility for compliance is on the business that's using the service not on the mail hosting provider.

yes a private one could. i said this and you're just moving words around. however, their backups should still have the mail/account history there.

I'm not trying to "move your words around", I'm trying to interpret what you said and it appeared that you were attempting to distinguish between the Queen of Corruptions use of a mail server that she owned & managed and WH staffers using private mail hosting services (you used the example of GMAIL), from a federal government perspective there is NO difference. If that wasn't your contention then I misread what you were trying to say and I apologize.

i did not say much of what you're saying i said so i'll move on. i never said google or a hosting provider was under obligation to make sure the accounts/customers comply. but they will have the mail if called for.

now i can hire a hoster that is a friend and get roughly the same as having a private server - but the hosting provider is now balls down to be responsible for their customers stated "private" needs.

The only obligation any mail hosting provider has is what is stated in its terms of service or what is specified under contract, that's why using personal mail accounts hosted on them to conduct business is a problem not only for government employees but also for employees of any business that has a rational information systems policy.

i may just have my guard up around here - apologies back if i do.

you're right that the overall retention policies are up to the provider, i believe. however, even if i delete my mail from my account, the record is still going through the server and wiping out your tracks on a hosted solution isn't really "possible".

if the feds own the server and all around it, they have their own retention policy.

the only way to really hide yourself is to own your own server and then you control all facets of it - except for who you may have sent mail to. that would still be "pullable" if i knew who to ask/look for.

 

[jc456]

Private account, not private server.

Private Email Server ..

they are not using their own server. they are using like a gmail account or some other account where they don't control the server, unless i mis-read something.

Distinction without a difference, PRIVATE is the operative word as in NOT Federal Government owned, managed (i.e. subject to Federal Government information security and systems administrative policy & control) and approved.

gmail is hosted on PRIVATE servers as in privately owned and managed and in context NOT Federal Government approved.

in other words, if the feds want access to the e-mail, they can get it. i can go nuke my entire account on my own *.personalaccount.net that i have for myself, but my hosting provider will have all my records and can turn them over to them if needed.

in other words, they can't do things like run bleach bit, or lose 33k mails so no comparison really except to giggle and think this is the same.

Not really, any PRIVATE mail hosting provider can choose to nuke mailboxes and their entire contents and history at their own discretion and are under no obligations (other than contractual obligations ) to keep any historical data, if gmail were (for example) used by a business then Federal, State and Local retention laws would apply but the responsibility for compliance is on the business that's using the service not on the mail hosting provider.

yes a private one could. i said this and you're just moving words around. however, their backups should still have the mail/account history there.

I'm not trying to "move your words around", I'm trying to interpret what you said and it appeared that you were attempting to distinguish between the Queen of Corruptions use of a mail server that she owned & managed and WH staffers using private mail hosting services (you used the example of GMAIL), from a federal government perspective there is NO difference. If that wasn't your contention then I misread what you were trying to say and I apologize.

i did not say much of what you're saying i said so i'll move on. i never said google or a hosting provider was under obligation to make sure the accounts/customers comply. but they will have the mail if called for.

now i can hire a hoster that is a friend and get roughly the same as having a private server - but the hosting provider is now balls down to be responsible for their customers stated "private" needs.

The only obligation any mail hosting provider has is what is stated in its terms of service or what is specified under contract, that's why using personal mail accounts hosted on them to conduct business is a problem not only for government employees but also for employees of any business that has a rational information systems policy.

well I think at contention is if private email in itself is illegal for use by a sworn in person of government. what's your answer?

 

[jc456]

Private Email Server ..

they are not using their own server. they are using like a gmail account or some other account where they don't control the server, unless i mis-read something.

Distinction without a difference, PRIVATE is the operative word as in NOT Federal Government owned, managed (i.e. subject to Federal Government information security and systems administrative policy & control) and approved.

gmail is hosted on PRIVATE servers as in privately owned and managed and in context NOT Federal Government approved.

in other words, if the feds want access to the e-mail, they can get it. i can go nuke my entire account on my own *.personalaccount.net that i have for myself, but my hosting provider will have all my records and can turn them over to them if needed.

in other words, they can't do things like run bleach bit, or lose 33k mails so no comparison really except to giggle and think this is the same.

Not really, any PRIVATE mail hosting provider can choose to nuke mailboxes and their entire contents and history at their own discretion and are under no obligations (other than contractual obligations ) to keep any historical data, if gmail were (for example) used by a business then Federal, State and Local retention laws would apply but the responsibility for compliance is on the business that's using the service not on the mail hosting provider.

yes a private one could. i said this and you're just moving words around. however, their backups should still have the mail/account history there.

I'm not trying to "move your words around", I'm trying to interpret what you said and it appeared that you were attempting to distinguish between the Queen of Corruptions use of a mail server that she owned & managed and WH staffers using private mail hosting services (you used the example of GMAIL), from a federal government perspective there is NO difference. If that wasn't your contention then I misread what you were trying to say and I apologize.

i did not say much of what you're saying i said so i'll move on. i never said google or a hosting provider was under obligation to make sure the accounts/customers comply. but they will have the mail if called for.

now i can hire a hoster that is a friend and get roughly the same as having a private server - but the hosting provider is now balls down to be responsible for their customers stated "private" needs.

The only obligation any mail hosting provider has is what is stated in its terms of service or what is specified under contract, that's why using personal mail accounts hosted on them to conduct business is a problem not only for government employees but also for employees of any business that has a rational information systems policy.

i may just have my guard up around here - apologies back if i do.

you're right that the overall retention policies are up to the provider, i believe. however, even if i delete my mail from my account, the record is still going through the server and wiping out your tracks on a hosted solution isn't really "possible".

if the feds own the server and all around it, they have their own retention policy.

the only way to really hide yourself is to own your own server and then you control all facets of it - except for who you may have sent mail to. that would still be "pullable" if i knew who to ask/look for.

well I think that even on a private server that even if you delete an email, it still is on that server's hard disk somewhere. Now, bleachbitting it would destroy some contents of the hard drive. and that is what hitlery had done. just saying.

 

[iceberg]

Private Email Server ..

they are not using their own server. they are using like a gmail account or some other account where they don't control the server, unless i mis-read something.

Distinction without a difference, PRIVATE is the operative word as in NOT Federal Government owned, managed (i.e. subject to Federal Government information security and systems administrative policy & control) and approved.

gmail is hosted on PRIVATE servers as in privately owned and managed and in context NOT Federal Government approved.

in other words, if the feds want access to the e-mail, they can get it. i can go nuke my entire account on my own *.personalaccount.net that i have for myself, but my hosting provider will have all my records and can turn them over to them if needed.

in other words, they can't do things like run bleach bit, or lose 33k mails so no comparison really except to giggle and think this is the same.

Not really, any PRIVATE mail hosting provider can choose to nuke mailboxes and their entire contents and history at their own discretion and are under no obligations (other than contractual obligations ) to keep any historical data, if gmail were (for example) used by a business then Federal, State and Local retention laws would apply but the responsibility for compliance is on the business that's using the service not on the mail hosting provider.

yes a private one could. i said this and you're just moving words around. however, their backups should still have the mail/account history there.

I'm not trying to "move your words around", I'm trying to interpret what you said and it appeared that you were attempting to distinguish between the Queen of Corruptions use of a mail server that she owned & managed and WH staffers using private mail hosting services (you used the example of GMAIL), from a federal government perspective there is NO difference. If that wasn't your contention then I misread what you were trying to say and I apologize.

i did not say much of what you're saying i said so i'll move on. i never said google or a hosting provider was under obligation to make sure the accounts/customers comply. but they will have the mail if called for.

now i can hire a hoster that is a friend and get roughly the same as having a private server - but the hosting provider is now balls down to be responsible for their customers stated "private" needs.

The only obligation any mail hosting provider has is what is stated in its terms of service or what is specified under contract, that's why using personal mail accounts hosted on them to conduct business is a problem not only for government employees but also for employees of any business that has a rational information systems policy.

well I think at contention is if private email in itself is illegal for use by a sworn in person of government. what's your answer?

i don't think it's illegal to own/run the server but if they do, they are required to cc or include a gov alias for record of the e-mail.

they need to just make it illegal and lose the gray area.