Zone1 Is Abortion Murder?

[The Sage of Main Street]

I was once a fetus...you were once a fetus...everybody alive today was once a fetus.

Doesn't that make "fetus" a stage of development? No different than infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, or elderly?

Why is it OK declare "open season" on one stage of development and not others?

Different Strokes for Different Folks

You were also once a sperm cell. That's why the Catholic Church preaches that birth control is murder. The Bible actually gives even masturbation the death penalty in the story of Onan.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Murder is a legal term, but all this legal wrangling and hand wringing does not matter. It's killing human life. It's wrong.

Two Sides, One Emotionalism

People who are inferior in everything else need fake ethics to make them feel superior in what they tell themselves is more important.

Just like touchy-feely Liberals. Hug a fetus, hug a tree.

 

[Thunk]

That's why the Catholic Church preaches that birth control is murder.

Not true.

The catholic church is fine with birth control as long as it prevents conception.

 

[alang1216]

I don't get the Liberals. One minute they're saying that abortion is all about women's rights and the next minute it's about the right to murder your baby. So which is it?

I for one see a significant difference between a fertilized egg and a new born baby. The egg is a sack of DNA, the baby can think and feel and learn. A person is somewhere between the two. But I just speak for me.

 

[JoeB131]

Not true.

The catholic church is fine with birth control as long as it prevents conception.

Actually, no, they still call most birth control a sin.

Catholic Church’s Position on Contraception

Learn more about the Roman Catholic Church’s position on contraception, marriage, procreation, human life and childhood education.

www.sju.edu

in fact, the only contraception the RCC approves of is the Rhythm Method. So when you had a Catholic family with 5 -8 kids, we'd joke that they "had no Rythem"

Naturally, rank and file Catholics pretty much ignore the church on this issue, kind of like they largely ignore the "No Meat on Friday during Lent" rule.

 

[Thunk]

Actually, no, they still call most birth control a sin.

Actually yes. I was born & raised catholic...Roman Catholic. And if the BC prevents conception the catholic church is OK with it. Either that or all the nuns in K-12 were lying to me.

Now they ARE still against pre-marital sex...so that could be a problem.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually yes. I was born & raised catholic...Roman Catholic. And if the BC prevents conception the catholic church is OK with it. Either that or all the nuns in K-12 were lying to me.

Now they ARE still against pre-marital sex...so that could be a problem.

You must have been in a pretty screwed up Catholic School. Maybe your Nuns were Liberation Theologists or something.

Because the Official Church position is that any artificial contraception is considered a sin, even among married couples.

Now, they aren't pushing that position very hard, because it's silly. But it's still their official dogma.

 

[Road Runner]

Should we bring more defective people into the world?

Yeah why not? God doesn't make mistakes. It's your attitude that's defective.

It is the willful killing of a unique life, but it isn't murder until the law makes it murder.

I can agree with you on that part, but it should be considered murder.

Different Strokes for Different Folks

You were also once a sperm cell. That's why the Catholic Church preaches that birth control is murder. The Bible actually gives even masturbation the death penalty in the story of Onan.

How can birth control be considered murder when it prevents pregnancies and there's no baby to begin with.

Not true.

The catholic church is fine with birth control as long as it prevents conception.

Isn't that what Gatorade is?

 

[Thunk]

Because the Official Church position is that any artificial contraception is considered a sin, even among married couples.

Maybe in the 1500's

 

[frigidweirdo]

I don't get the Liberals. One minute they're saying that abortion is all about women's rights and the next minute it's about the right to murder your baby. So which is it?

No, A) because a baby isn't "alive" yet and B) because murder is about killing people who are "alive"

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yeah why not? God doesn't make mistakes. It's your attitude that's defective.



I can agree with you on that part, but it should be considered murder.



How can birth control be considered murder when it prevents pregnancies and there's no baby to begin with.




Isn't that what Gatorade is?

God doesn't make mistakes, so who made hermaphrodites?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Developmental Anomalies Refer To Maternal Or Fetal Health During And After Pregnancy "

* Adultery Euphemism Of Pride Male Demands Female Abort *

Having said that, I still think abortions should be reserved for cases of rape, defect, and of course the mothers life being in danger. Perhaps also cases where the child is a product of adultery.

Too sad and too funny about legal retribution for adultery , though how could one know with certainty in advance ?

Oddly , hue omitted incest , because yearn assessment for legal retribution should not force an abortion on an adolescent brother sister offspring , which would likely be against willful intent of adolescent siblings .

A social civil agreement is made valid through informed consent , while adolescents do not satisfy a classification as knowing adults , such that retribution by society to prescribe abortion in pregnancies resulting from adolescent incest would not be sufficient .

The laws against incest affirm mostly natural disposition between siblings , while the affects upon safety and security to society in terms of financial indemnity from deleterious mutations ensure that civil unions are not available to siblings .

The deleterious mutations of inbreeding arises from affinity of homologous codons in cross mutation of female female haploids .

The deleterious mutations of inbreeding from affinity of homologous codons in cross mutation of male female haploids is minimal and recombination is not deleterious so long as the offspring is male and not female .

A brother sister , or a father daughter , or a mother son offspring might remand a prescription for abortion unless the offspring is to be male .


* Eponymous Patriarchal Emphasis Of Genetic Religion *

Lot's daughters - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

During the escape from Sodom, Lot's wife turns into a pillar of salt. Lot and his daughters take shelter in Zoar, but afterwards go up into the mountains to live in a cave. Concerned for their father having descendants, one evening, Lot's eldest daughter gets Lot drunk and has sex with him without his knowledge. The following night, the younger daughter does the same. They both become pregnant; the older daughter gives birth to Moab, while the younger daughter gives birth to Ammon.[6]


* May Hem *

Zone1 - Made In The Image Of Goad

" Made In The Image Of Goad " * Explanation Required * The hue mammon ape makes a claim that it is made in the image of goad , yet what are the implications of such a claim ?

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[Road Runner]

God doesn't make mistakes, so who made hermaphrodites?

God did and I'm sure that He had a reason for it too.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" State Legitimate Interest In Equal Protection With A Us Citizen Requires Live Birth "

* Revere And Endear The Citizen As Everything Possible Is Alienable In Nature *

No, A) because a baby isn't "alive" yet and B) because murder is about killing people who are "alive"

The constitutional basis for abortion is not a question of " when does life begin ? " , rather the constitutional basis for abortion is a question of " when does a state interest begin ? " .

A legitimate interest of a state begins with a citizen , while a live birth requirement is the only non incidental requirement to become a citizen and the enumerated rite of equal protection with a citizen necessarily requires live birth .

That is abortion is a non enumerated rite because a legitimate state interest in providing an enumerated rite of equal protection with a citizen does not begin until a live birth requirement has been satisfied .

In lieu of a live birth requirement , based upon an ability for a fetus to survive an imminent live birth at post natural viability , roe v wade imposed that parturition was relative and that states could proscribe abortion in third trimester based upon a potential for a fetus to obtain a rite to life , which roe v wade referred to as a potential life - from a perspective of a state .

The all eat toe , whom wrote the majority opinion of dobbs decision along with its sedition against us 14th . 9th , 1st and 10th amendments , issued the following dumbfounded comments as if anyone should need to explain a logically of course deduction to a supreme court justice :

https://supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf
" Although the Court acknowledged that States had a legitimate interest in protecting “potential life,” it found that this interest could not justify any restriction on pre-viability abortions.

Demand Any Nomination For Us Supreme Court Justice Explain Blackmun ' Logically Of Course ' Statement From Roe V Wade

" Demand Any Nomination For Us Supreme Court Justice Explain Blackmun ' Logically Of Course ' Statement From Roe V Wade " * On Behalf Of Pro Choice Republican Constitutionalism * The next nominee for us supreme court should be asked to explain the following statement from justice blackmun whom...

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[DukeU]

God doesn't make mistakes, so who made hermaphrodites?

Mankind's sin caused all imperfection in the universe.

Anything else.

 

[frigidweirdo]

God did and I'm sure that He had a reason for it too.

Such as.... to thwart right wingers' views on biology?

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe in the 1500's

Nope, that was the position when I went to HS in the 1970s... and it's still the position today.

That most Catholics ignore it and don't even talk about it in confessional really is besides the point. It's like all those other silly shit that is in Catholicism like exorcisms and papal infallibility, which are still in the dogma, but they don't like to talk about it because it makes them look silly.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Cloisters "

* Asceticism Of Chasity *

Nope, that was the position when I went to HS in the 1970s... and it's still the position today.
That most Catholics ignore it and don't even talk about it in confessional really is besides the point. It's like all those other silly shit that is in Catholicism like exorcisms and papal infallibility, which are still in the dogma, but they don't like to talk about it because it makes them look silly.

 

[martybegan]

Yeah why not? God doesn't make mistakes. It's your attitude that's defective.



I can agree with you on that part, but it should be considered murder.



How can birth control be considered murder when it prevents pregnancies and there's no baby to begin with.




Isn't that what Gatorade is?

Not in my opinion, of course I fight between my moral views and my "intrusive government sucks" views.

To me a ban on birth control abortions at 10-12 weeks is my sweet spot.

 

[JoeB131]

Not in my opinion, of course I fight between my moral views and my "intrusive government sucks" views.

To me a ban on birth control abortions at 10-12 weeks is my sweet spot.

I couldn't imagine government more instrusive than that.

Who is going to be appointed as the "Dead Fetus Inspector"?