Is America Ruled By A Socialist?

[Edgetho]

If anyone is free to rewrite the definition of socialism, then anyone is capable of being defined as a socialist. The definition of socialism has always included government control over e means of production and distribution. When I see a president confiscate and nationalize the nation's farmland, I will think that the president is a socialist. Until then, calling Obama a socialist will continue to be the PC way of calling him a kenyan or an n-word... Just another valueless epithet.

Again, it's that 8th Grade education that's screwing you up.

MARXISM is what you're thinking of.

There are dozens of different kinds of socialism. Look it up or...Shut up.

Damn, but libtards are stupid.

Here's a primer for retards -- Types of socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

OK PC, using the definition of socialism, please gives us precise examples that match up with the definition. And please, no cut and paste right wing talking points.

Thank you.

What words actually mean don't matter. Watch what I tell you

Are you referring to the actual words of the socialist in OP vid?

His name is Obama.

 

[Edgetho]

Socialist ideals help the middle class prosper.

" Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.”

But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

It's like Tom Wolfe said in "Land Of The Rococo Marxists"......

"If you can't locate your plumber, it's probably because he's off on a Cruise of the Caribbean with his third wife."

Yeah, Capitalism is just so cruel

 

[ClosedCaption]

so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

OK PC, using the definition of socialism, please gives us precise examples that match up with the definition. And please, no cut and paste right wing talking points.

Thank you.

What words actually mean don't matter. Watch what I tell you

Are you referring to the actual words of the socialist in OP vid?

His name is Obama.

Told ya

 

[PoliticalChic]

If anyone is free to rewrite the definition of socialism, then anyone is capable of being defined as a socialist. The definition of socialism has always included government control over e means of production and distribution. When I see a president confiscate and nationalize the nation's farmland, I will think that the president is a socialist. Until then, calling Obama a socialist will continue to be the PC way of calling him a kenyan or an n-word... Just another valueless epithet.

"The difference between [socialism and fascism] is superficial and purely formal, but it is significant psychologically: it brings the authoritarian nature of a planned economy crudely into the open. The main characteristic of socialism (and of communism) is public ownership of the means of production, and, therefore, the abolition of private property. The right to property is the right of use and disposal. Under fascism, men retain the semblance or pretense of private property, but the government holds total power over its use and disposal." Ayn Rand.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And he meets with muslim terrorists in the white house. Michelle Malikan exposes ANOTHER SCANDAL.

Another White House Play Date with Muslim Jihad

a SOCIALIST AND MUSLIM. I weep.

I appreciate your help in building the OP.

 

[thanatos144]

Socialism is socialism... No matter if Obama uses it or Stalin it has caused more death than any form of government.

 

[midcan5]

Words should have at least some connection to reality, in a broad sense all nations are a mixture of various elements and America has it share of socialism: Social security, welfare, food stamps, military life, government jobs including the elected, job bills, access to healthcare, public: water sewage schools universities, research assistance, road development, farm bill, energy bill, trash disposal, beach support, clean air standards, food inspection, internet development and support, tax supports, lots more I'm sure, all these items are categories of things that support the society and could be looked at as socialism. For the critics of Obama the word is just a meaningless pejorative that has power only among their particular choir. Fill in the background meaning first then thought is unnecessary.

"In 1929 Federal, state, and municipal governments accounted for about 8 percent of all economic activity in the United States. By the 1960s that figure was between 20 and 25 percent, far exceeding that in India, a socialist country. The National Science Foundation reckoned that federal funds were paying for 90 percent of research in aviation and space travel, 65 percent in electrical and electronic devices, 42 percent in Scientific Instruments, 31 percent in machinery, 28 percent in metal alloys, 24 percent in automobiles, and 20 percent in chemicals." William Manchester "The Glory and the Dream" A great summer read for the interested history or political buff.

"Moreover, if we give the matter a moment's thought, we can see that the 20th century morality tale of 'socialism vs. freedom' or 'communism vs. capitalism' is misleading. Capitalism is not a political system; it is a form of economic life, compatible in practice with right wing dictatorships (Chile under Pinochet), left-wing dictatorships (contemporary China), social-democratic monarchies (Sweden), and plutocratic republics (the United States), whether capitalist economies thrive best under conditions of freedom is perhaps more of an open question than we like to think." Tony Judt 'Ill fares the Land' - Another excellent read.
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[JoeBlam]

It's too bad Roe V Wade wasn't in effect in time to have that bastard sucked down a drain.

Liberals are the reason I'm commited to abortion staying legal.

It's just too bad they don't consider retroactively self aborting, to save the planet of course.

More like a black mamba biting him on the foot in that kenyan mud hut he was born in. His mommy couldn't get back to Hawaii fast enough....granny took care of the birff announcements and thought it would never matter. To this day nobody can name the attending physician or nurse that witnessed his arrival in either of the two hospitals he's claimed he was born in.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Socialism is socialism... No matter if Obama uses it or Stalin it has caused more death than any form of government.

You couldn't be more correct~

“Culture is a stubborn opponent. The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198

 

[regent]

Well when all the definitions, cute phrases and attempts to confuse are done and the smoke clears we find most of the world economies are a mixture of socialism and capitalism, and every nation has a system for the redistribution of wealth. We also find that few of us can define socialism beyond the dictionary definition, and some only use Marx's Scientific Socialism as the definition.

 

[kiwiman127]

so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Definition of SOCIALISM

1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

OK PC, using the definition of socialism, please gives us precise examples that match up with the definition. And please, no cut and paste right wing talking points.

Thank you.

1. "OK PC, using the definition of socialism, ...."
Yours, of course, is the sophomoric obfuscation used to hide the facts.
Fully expected from the inept.

I'll stick with the well-constructed OP above, which includes the words of the socialist President, himself.




2. "....please gives us precise examples that match up with the definition."

Why is it that the most effete of individuals find it necessary to resort to "us"....when they mean "me"?

Oh...I've answered my own question!

“Life is a mystery, everyone must stand alone.” Madonna.





3. "And please, no cut and paste right wing talking points."

As far as you influencing my style…I am immovable, like General Jackson’s Virginians at First Manassas: a veritable stone wall.
If you only had an acquaintance with history…you’d understand that.

There may come a time when you can dictate how and what I post.....but, when that happens, I'll probably be ice skating in Hell.



Based on the caliber of post, you should concentrate on your full-time job, Garden Gnome.

In other words, you have nothing, so you do what you usually do as demonstrated in your closing comment. Way to go!

 

[Darkwind]

If anyone is free to rewrite the definition of socialism, then anyone is capable of being defined as a socialist. The definition of socialism has always included government control over e means of production and distribution. When I see a president confiscate and nationalize the nation's farmland, I will think that the president is a socialist. Until then, calling Obama a socialist will continue to be the PC way of calling him a kenyan or an n-word... Just another valueless epithet.

Ignorance at its best.

There are many differing models of Socialism. When I say car, I am referring to any object that has the general characteristics of an automobile.

When people refer to Obama as a socialist, they are referring to any object that has the general characteristics of a Socialist.

Simply because he has not fully succeeded in turning our economic system and government into a full blown tyrannical socialist state does not mean that he himself is not a socialist.

It is nothing but a word game, with a fine line of semantics being played here.

Barack Obama would be a full blown Socialist if the politics of such would permit it. Instead, he works at the edges and creates transitions in our society that lead toward that final goal.

Want proof?

Affordable Healthcare Act or as it is affectionately referred to, "Obamacare, destroyer of freedom"

 

[NYcarbineer]

My speculation is that the have-your-cake-and-eat-it crowd would like to be able to brag that they voted for a President who is a first, in so very many ways...

......but don't want to admit that they've imposed socialism on this once great nation.



Smell the coffee.

When was America greater than it is now, and why?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The author of this thread rails ad nauseum against socialism in the US, but never once will you find where she commits to declaring what 'socialist' policies in the US she would get rid of,

nor, I doubt, will you find where she's ever even identified specifically what she considers socialism in the US.

 

[FA_Q2]

Obama plugs the socialist lines all the time and talks like he is damn near a communist because it is what the left salivates to hear. That is simply how partisan politics operates. He is not, however, a socialist. His big company payoffs, the ACA and almost all the actual actions he has taken are completely against socialist ideals. He is a statist through and through, supporting more the merger of big business and government than the elimination of business which would be far close to what socialism entails.

 

[FA_Q2]

And he meets with muslim terrorists in the white house. Michelle Malikan exposes ANOTHER SCANDAL.

Another White House Play Date with Muslim Jihad

a SOCIALIST AND MUSLIM. I weep.

And Muslim? Why would that be an issue? Is religion now a prerequisite for office?

 

[FA_Q2]

If anyone is free to rewrite the definition of socialism, then anyone is capable of being defined as a socialist. The definition of socialism has always included government control over e means of production and distribution. When I see a president confiscate and nationalize the nation's farmland, I will think that the president is a socialist. Until then, calling Obama a socialist will continue to be the PC way of calling him a kenyan or an n-word... Just another valueless epithet.

Ignorance at its best.

There are many differing models of Socialism. When I say car, I am referring to any object that has the general characteristics of an automobile.

When people refer to Obama as a socialist, they are referring to any object that has the general characteristics of a Socialist.

Simply because he has not fully succeeded in turning our economic system and government into a full blown tyrannical socialist state does not mean that he himself is not a socialist.

It is nothing but a word game, with a fine line of semantics being played here.

Barack Obama would be a full blown Socialist if the politics of such would permit it. Instead, he works at the edges and creates transitions in our society that lead toward that final goal.

Want proof?

Affordable Healthcare Act or as it is affectionately referred to, "Obamacare, destroyer of freedom"

And the ACA is as far removed from socialism as it is removed from libertarianism. Neither bear any resemblance at all with the ACA. That piece of work is CLEARLY statist.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I would call it a Corporate Socialist

 

[bendog]

These four models should be fairly easy for Americans to understand because we have elements of all of them in our fragmented national health care apparatus. When it comes to treating veterans, we’re Britain or Cuba. For Americans over the age of 65 on Medicare, we’re Canada. For working Americans who get insurance on the job, we’re Germany.

For the 15 percent of the population who have no health insurance, the United States is Cambodia or Burkina Faso or rural India, with access to a doctor available if you can pay the bill out-of-pocket at the time of treatment or if you’re sick enough to be admitted to the emergency ward at the public hospital.

Health Care Systems - Four Basic Models | Physicians for a National Health Program

The overall goal of ACA was to move the 15% uninsured into more or less the German model with the State paying the premiums. But, the dems chose to expand Mediicaid, which doesn't reall do that. Ark is going to use the money to finance private plans people may buy with govt "vouchers." That's probably as close to Germany as it goes. Miss Dems tried, but our tea party governer says Nyet. Bismark's model was termed "state socialism." However, it is not a socialist econ model. Insurence companies may not make profit per se, but they are not govt owned. Statist is probably as close a term as you can get.