Zone1 Is this in any way kinda "anti-semitic"?

[Carl in Michigan]

And huge blunders and deliberate misdirection .
Such a jolly little Cult Club

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[Lisa558]

Matthew 3:7-12 KJV
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

"is this kinda anti-semitic because jews are cut off from the tree, and god creates children of abraham from the stones, not jews"? Or it is not anti-semitic at all?

Of course it’s antisemitic. There is much in the NT that is antisemitic, inclsuing calling Jews “children of Satan” and “hypocrites who worship in synogogues.”

 

[Lisa558]

Thats great im a big fan of "noahidism" since i cannot be a jew, because im not born one, but every human being can be a noahide.

Yes, in Judaism - unlike Christianity - ALL people regardless of religion will go to Heaven, if they lead good lives.

 

[Meriweather]

Of course it’s antisemitic. There is much in the NT that is antisemitic, inclsuing calling Jews “children of Satan” and “hypocrites who worship in synogogues.”

The reason it is not anti-Semitic is that Jesus was addressing a specific group of those of a political nature who were trolling him--hecklers we would call them today. When a speaker calls out the hecklers in his audience, he is not branding the entire audience who were there to hear what he had to say.

 

[Lisa558]

The reason it is not anti-Semitic is that Jesus was addressing a specific group of those of a political nature who were trolling him--hecklers we would call them today. When a speaker calls out the hecklers in his audience, he is not branding the entire audience who were there to hear what he had to say.

The problem os that it’s been used to condemn ALL Jews for ALL times and is largely the root of antisemitism.

Also, didn’t he say it would be on all their generations? That goes way beyond castigating a small segment of Jews. It’s holding Jews who wouldn’t even be born for 100, 1000, or even 2000 years responsible for others’ actions,

 

[irosie91]

The reason it is not anti-Semitic is that Jesus was addressing a specific group of those of a political nature who were trolling him--hecklers we would call them today. When a speaker calls out the hecklers in his audience, he is not branding the entire audience who were there to hear what he had to say.

where have you been for the past 2000 years----or at least the past 1500 years that comprise the policies of the Catholic Church, clearly based on the silly CONSTANTINE version of "reality"

 

[Meriweather]

The problem os that it’s been used to condemn ALL Jews for ALL times and is largely the root of antisemitism.

Also, didn’t he say it would be on all their generations? That goes way beyond castigating a small segment of Jews. It’s holding Jews who wouldn’t even be born for 100, 1000, or even 2000 years responsible for others’ actions,

Yes, I agree that is how it has been used, but that was not the intent. Proof-texting bits of scripture to make a point is ever a problem, so let's move away from that and consider the whole of scripture. Through all generations, throughout all nations, religions, communities--even through each individual--we are an imperfect people.

I went to Catholic school--and even among the entire parish--we heard time and again that it was we who were responsible for the suffering and crucifixion of Jesus. He laid down his life for everyone all over the concept of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. This wasn't even a new idea in his own time, but in his time it was considered an attack, a blasphemy of Temple sacrifice. If someone, today, were to announce, "Sins are forgiven", the announcement would be equivalent to, "The sun rises in the east."

Perhaps too few, but I suspect all through the centuries, there were always some churches who emphasized our own individual responsibility for the crucifixion. Each religion has its share of hypocrites, sanctimony, etc--then and down through all generations. Jesus died for us--not because of "them".

 

[Meriweather]

where have you been for the past 2000 years----or at least the past 1500 years that comprise the policies of the Catholic Church, clearly based on the silly CONSTANTINE version of "reality"

You give Constantine too much credit--or blame--I'm not sure which.

 

[Lisa558]

Yes, I agree that is how it has been used, but that was not the intent. Proof-texting bits of scripture to make a point is ever a problem, so let's move away from that and consider the whole of scripture. Through all generations, throughout all nations, religions, communities--even through each individual--we are an imperfect people.

I went to Catholic school--and even among the entire parish--we heard time and again that it was we who were responsible for the suffering and crucifixion of Jesus. He laid down his life for everyone all over the concept of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. This wasn't even a new idea in his own time, but in his time it was considered an attack, a blasphemy of Temple sacrifice. If someone, today, were to announce, "Sins are forgiven", the announcement would be equivalent to, "The sun rises in the east."

Perhaps too few, but I suspect all through the centuries, there were always some churches who emphasized our own individual responsibility for the crucifixion. Each religion has its share of hypocrites, sanctimony, etc--then and down through all generations. Jesus died for us--not because of "them".

It’s very different when Catholic schools say “we” when referring to current Catholics for something that happened 2000 years ago, and something else entirely when they say “they” (as in current Jews) are responsible for something that happened. 2000 years ago.

For example, at our Seder we say Gd took “us” out of Egypt, but we do not hold current Egyptians responsible for what Ramses did 3500 years ago. There is no verse in the Hebrew Bible that says “all generations” of Egyptians will be blamed.

And this difference is why I’ve had Catholic School boys yell “Christ killer” at me, and no Jew ever yelled “slaveholder and murderer of the first-born” at an Egyptian.
.

 

[Meriweather]

There is no verse in the Hebrew Bible that says “all generations” of Egyptians will be blamed.

Are all slaveholders today (a continuing practice in all generations) blamed for the practice? Are all hypocrites still held to account for hypocrisy? Do Jews called "Christ killers" hold as much resentment toward their tormentors/bullies today as they did in the past? Again, we are an imperfect people.

Bullies are looking for a reaction, it gives them a feeling of power. I know because I work both with bullies and those bullied. Do you know what quiets and has bullies walking away? Staying calm, looking them in the eye and saying, "Why would you ever say anything like that?" It takes the spotlight off the person being bullied, and squarely back on the bully.

Take heart that Jews do not bully Egyptians. Perhaps that will be true of Christians and Jews one day. Meanwhile, keep in mind that the Catholic faith does not teach "Jews killed Jesus". We are well aware of the number who flocked to hear Jesus speak, and the number who were close followers of his. We are also aware there were Pharisees who liked Jesus, and those he liked as well.

 

[Lisa558]

Are all slaveholders today (a continuing practice in all generations) blamed for the practice? Are all hypocrites still held to account for hypocrisy? Do Jews called "Christ killers" hold as much resentment toward their tormentors/bullies today as they did in the past? Again, we are an imperfect people.

Bullies are looking for a reaction, it gives them a feeling of power. I know because I work both with bullies and those bullied. Do you know what quiets and has bullies walking away? Staying calm, looking them in the eye and saying, "Why would you ever say anything like that?" It takes the spotlight off the person being bullied, and squarely back on the bully.

Take heart that Jews do not bully Egyptians. Perhaps that will be true of Christians and Jews one day. Meanwhile, keep in mind that the Catholic faith does not teach "Jews killed Jesus". We are well aware of the number who flocked to hear Jesus speak, and the number who were close followers of his. We are also aware there were Pharisees who liked Jesus, and those he liked as well.

As far as how to deal with bullies, that’s known for adults. The most disarming tactic, I’ve found, is a laugh.

But that’s a lot to expect from an elementary school child, tormented on the sidewalk in front of his or her house, by being called a “Christ killer.” Or not being allowed in a house owned by Catholics. Or having her Shabbat candles blown out with the f-word said. The Catholic Schools where I grew up churned out the Jew-haters bigtime.

 

[Lisa558]

Are all slaveholders today (a continuing practice in all generations) blamed for the practice? Are all hypocrites still held to account for hypocrisy? Do Jews called "Christ killers" hold as much resentment toward their tormentors/bullies today as they did in the past? Again, we are an imperfect people.

Bullies are looking for a reaction, it gives them a feeling of power. I know because I work both with bullies and those bullied. Do you know what quiets and has bullies walking away? Staying calm, looking them in the eye and saying, "Why would you ever say anything like that?" It takes the spotlight off the person being bullied, and squarely back on the bully.

Take heart that Jews do not bully Egyptians. Perhaps that will be true of Christians and Jews one day. Meanwhile, keep in mind that the Catholic faith does not teach "Jews killed Jesus". We are well aware of the number who flocked to hear Jesus speak, and the number who were close followers of his. We are also aware there were Pharisees who liked Jesus, and those he liked as well.

P.S. The Catholic schools do not teach that Jews killed Jesus at the present time, but they did all the way up until the mid-60s. The antisemitism in my childhood neighborhood was so pronounced that it was a big reason my parents moved. I couldn’t even draw chalk on the sidewalk without some kid mocking me about being Jewish, or Israel.

 

[Meriweather]

But that’s a lot to expect from an elementary school child, tormented on the sidewalk in front of his or her house, by being called a “Christ killer.” Or not being allowed in a house owned by Catholics. Or having her Shabbat candles blown out with the f-word said. The Catholic Schools where I grew up churned out the Jew-haters bigtime.

P.S. The Catholic schools do not teach that Jews killed Jesus at the present time, but they did all the way up until the mid-60s. The antisemitism in my childhood neighborhood was so pronounced that it was a big reason my parents moved. I couldn’t even draw chalk on the sidewalk without some kid mocking me about being Jewish, or Israel.

I am sorry for all of that. Is the same going on today? Hopefully, all of that is in the past, but not being of the Jewish faith, I don't know.

 

[Lisa558]

I am sorry for all of that. Is the same going on today? Hopefully, all of that is in the past, but not being of the Jewish faith, I don't know.

Hopefully not.

Now Jewish students are hit in college, with the pro-HAMAS liberal universities allowing their brainwashed and indoctrinated youth to march around chanting “Death to Jews” and blocking Jewish kids from going to class.

 

[irosie91]

The problem os that it’s been used to condemn ALL Jews for ALL times and is largely the root of antisemitism.

Also, didn’t he say it would be on all their generations? That goes way beyond castigating a small segment of Jews. It’s holding Jews who wouldn’t even be born for 100, 1000, or even 2000 years responsible for others’ actions,

more than that ----^^^ the incident of "pharisees" calling for the crucifixion of Jesus is SO UNLIKELY---that it's inclusion in
the NT is clearly a machination of Constantine. It was the Pharisees who absolutely rejected crucifixion for ANYONE.

 

[irosie91]

I am sorry for all of that. Is the same going on today? Hopefully, all of that is in the past, but not being of the Jewish faith, I don't know.

A really good book for the effect of the great grandmother on
one's mind is CHILDHOOD AND SOCIETY. Erik Erikson. For the
SLUR "christkiller" try visiting Greenpoint, Brooklyn

 

[Meriweather]

For the
SLUR "christkiller" try visiting Greenpoint, Brooklyn

Why?

 

[irosie91]

Why?

I plead DA FIFTH

 

[Meriweather]

I plead DA FIFTH

Not necessary unless accused of a crime. I've made no such accusation.

 

[luiza]

Infinity preferable to the cult of Islam

You have preferences ?
Or, are you just captivated by the several quaint old Cult Conspiracies?
They certainly show you how people used to think before Science and Reason evolved .