Zone1 A Great Authority Given Unto the Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ

[TruthNotBS]

You obviously know nothing about me. I was born and raised in a devout Christian home and spent most of my life believing all the things I had been taught. I was even a deacon for a while. Only after retirement did I embark on an in-depth study of the Bible. My reasoning was that a better understanding of what I believed would make me a better Christian and better prepared to help lead others to Christ. The deeper I delved into stories in the bible, the less I was convinced that the faith I held for most of my life was true. Furthermore, if a God did exist, he was not a loving forgiving God as I had always believed. The God of the Bible seemed to be petty and hateful, and not worthy of worship, even if he did exist. I greatly wish I still had the faith I once did. It's wonderful to believe there is an omnipotent being that loves and cares about me and is there to help and protect me. I greatly miss the comfort I felt and would immediately revert to the beliefs I once held, if I could only slightly justify such devotion. Sadly, I can't.

Your faith never relied on a book or amounts to a book or collection of writings. You allowed the letter to kill your faith, when the reality of God, and His Son, doesn't lie in a collection of writings, but in the Life Giving Spirit and Power of Almighty God. God isn't a character in a novel or book, and neither is Jesus Christ. What denomination were you in as a Christian? Did they teach you how to receive the Holy Spirit and His gifts? Were you baptized in the Holy Ghost and Power? This is true:

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Sir, I thought exactly like you, until I had an encounter with the Living God. In the OT, God had to preserve a nation, that would create the appropriate environment for the Son Of God, to incarnate and lay down His life for us. That was of vital importance to God because He didn't want humanity to perish. God can't allow unholiness or that which is impure, within Himself. No contaminants are allowed in God's Mind or Reality. It is burned in fire, purged out into oblivion. All that can exist forever, with God, in a genuine loving relationship must be pure.

Jesus Christ laid down His life, to elevate you, to that pure and unadulterated state of being. You are transformed in Him, into a new creation. Don't let the evil spirits you saw in those videos I embedded in my earlier post, rob you of your relationship with God. Don't let human reasoning undermine your salvation.

 

[BULLDOG]

Your faith never relied on a book or amounts to a book or collection of writings. You allowed the letter to kill your faith, when the reality of God, and His Son, doesn't lie in a collection of writings, but in the Life Giving Spirit and Power of Almighty God. God isn't a character in a novel or book, and neither is Jesus Christ. What denomination were you in as a Christian? Did they teach you how to receive the Holy Spirit and His gifts? Were you baptized in the Holy Ghost and Power? This is true:

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Sir, I thought exactly like you, until I had an encounter with the Living God. In the OT, God had to preserve a nation, that would create the appropriate environment for the Son Of God, to incarnate and lay down His life for us. That was of vital importance to God because He didn't want humanity to perish. God can't allow unholiness or that which is impure, within Himself. No contaminants are allowed in God's Mind or Reality. It is burned in fire, purged out into oblivion. All that can exist forever, with God, in a genuine loving relationship must be pure.

Jesus Christ laid down His life, to elevate you, to that pure and unadulterated state of being. You are transformed in Him, into a new creation. Don't let the evil spirits you saw in those videos I embedded in my earlier post, rob you of your relationship with God. Don't let human reasoning undermine your salvation.

I suppose you can call the Bible a book, or collection of writings if you want to.

 

[SweetSue92]

I keep telling you that my distant relation spoke of these fat people , big as mountains -- dwelling in the Land of Fatties who were were constantly at war with themselves and their neighbours . A violent and unhappy people .

Throwing stones when you have a problem too

As of 2022, approximately 29% of adults in the UK were classified as obese, with 64% being either overweight or obese. The rates have remained relatively stable compared to previous years, but obesity continues to be a significant public health concern.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I suppose you can call the Bible a book, or collection of writings if you want to.

Before any book, you need the guidance of the Holy Spirit, otherwise the book will kill you. The letter without The Spirit kills. Jesus Christ transcends the papyrus, "The Book". God is more than a collection of writings, He is the reality behind the book/s.

The spirit world is real:

Scole Experiments:



Marcello Bacci:



German ITC scientists/researchers:

Ernst Senkowski and Hans Otto Konig...

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ANABELA CARDOSO:

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If demons are real, then maybe God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) and holy angels, are real. Right?

 

[BULLDOG]

Before any book, you need the guidance of the Holy Spirit, otherwise the book will kill you. The letter without The Spirit kills. Jesus Christ transcends the papyrus, "The Book". God is more than a collection of writings, He is the reality behind the book/s.

The spirit world is real:

Scole Experiments:



Marcello Bacci:



German ITC scientists/researchers:

Ernst Senkowski and Hans Otto Konig...

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ANABELA CARDOSO:

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If demons are real, then maybe God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) and holy angels, are real. Right?

You bet. You aren't just a nut. You are a religious nut. Sorry. Gotta go. My toaster is talking to me.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You bet. You aren't just a nut. You are a religious nut. Sorry. Gotta go. My toaster is talking to me.

Don't blame God, blame yourself.

 

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You bet. You aren't just a nut. You are a religious nut. Sorry. Gotta go. My toaster is talking to me.

No. A religious nut would have damned you to hell. TruthNotBS was just giving advice. And it was pretty good advice at that. You aren't reading these accounts for meaning. You are reading these accounts critically. Which makes you more of a religious nut than TruthNotBS.

 

[Clyde 154]

The kingdom Jesus leads is already back on Earth, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That's to differentiate the time when Jesus walked the earth in former times. The 2nd coming of the Lord is not just a onetime event. It will be a multiple event. As Onefour1 said, Jesus will first part the Mt. of Olives as stated clearly in Zacharia12:10 and chapter 13:6. We also teach that Jesus will come either before or after to Adam-Ondi_Ahman, the place where Adam dwelt, and the Prophets of old and new shall bring with them the keys of the Priesthood, hand them to Adam who will hand them to the Lord Jesus Christ.
You also seem to forget that after his second coming, there will be still a thousand years the earth will exist in peace as Satan is bound in spirit prison for those thousand years and then let loose again. Since there will be peace on earth for that time period, who will be there? The wicked? No. There will be good people in all the earth that will live in peace and harmony. We believe that all who have lived will be made known so that their baptisms and other ordinances can be performed on earth for them vicariously. 1Cor. 15:29. Why do we believe this? Because it is clear that the only way to Heaven is by way of baptism of water and of the spirit. John 3:5. That is clear. So, what about those who never had a chance to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ even the Law of Moses? Should they be damned forever because they weren't born at the right time and the right place? Such utter ignorance and hatred of people to think this way. So, read 1Peter 3:18-22 and 1Peter 4:5-6 and you will see Onefour1 is correct about the spirits of those who have died without the real opportunity that you have had will get than opportunity. Then, they will be judged because of how they did live under their laws righteously choosing good over evil and how the Lord knows them and knows how they would have lived if they were born at the right place at the right time to have access to His Gospel.
How many times do you have to be presented with these concepts in the Bible before you will unharden your heart and accept the Lord's doctrines and commandments?

The Kingdom never left earth........only its KING. (Acts 1, 2) The Kingdom is the church established by Jesus Christ (Matt. 16). As far as depending among some false prophet? Simply because YOUR CULT "teaches" false doctrine does not make it truth. The Father no loner uses prophets to communicate with His church......He speaks through the record left by the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ and His apostles. (Heb. 1:1-2)


"(God the Father)........Hath in these last days (Acts 2, beginning on the day of Pentecost after the ascension of Jesus Christ accompanied by angels of the Lord in the clouds -- Act 1:11-23, 1 .........by which way He (Jesus) will return in same manner, with a trump sound and ARCH ANGEL to receive His bride the Kingdom/Church and Judge the quick and the dead -- Rev. 1:7-9, 2 Tim. 4:1(Revelation was written by John), with Paul agreeing -- 1 Thess 4:16-17

Anyone claiming to be a prophet or an apostle of Christ is teaching false doctrine. Peter, James, Paul and Jude declare that the Holy Scriptures is all that is required to make the man of God "Perfect".....meaning made whole or complete..........in Doctrine, Teaching, Rebuking/Correction with all righteousness. (2 Peter 1, James 1:25, 2 Tim. 3:16-17, Jude 3). The faith (doctrine) was ONCE for ALL delivered by the saints of the 1st century Jude 3.

Yet you would teach that more prophecy was to come almost 2000 years after doctrine for the church/kingdom was made complete........while a new prophet writes a NEW BIBLE, while appointing Modern Day Apostles? Who do we believe the Holy Bible and the original apostles of Christ........or J. Smith 2000 years removed from the founding of the Kingdom of God?

 

[onefour1]

The Kingdom never left earth........only its KING. (Acts 1, 2) The Kingdom is the church established by Jesus Christ (Matt. 16). As far as depending among some false prophet? Simply because YOUR CULT "teaches" false doctrine does not make it truth. The Father no loner uses prophets to communicate with His church......He speaks through the record left by the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ and His apostles. (Heb. 1:1-2)


"(God the Father)........Hath in these last days (Acts 2, beginning on the day of Pentecost after the ascension of Jesus Christ accompanied by angels of the Lord in the clouds -- Act 1:11-23, 1 .........by which way He (Jesus) will return in same manner, with a trump sound and ARCH ANGEL to receive His bride the Kingdom/Church and Judge the quick and the dead -- Rev. 1:7-9, 2 Tim. 4:1(Revelation was written by John), with Paul agreeing -- 1 Thess 4:16-17

Anyone claiming to be a prophet or an apostle of Christ is teaching false doctrine. Peter, James, Paul and Jude declare that the Holy Scriptures is all that is required to make the man of God "Perfect".....meaning made whole or complete..........in Doctrine, Teaching, Rebuking/Correction with all righteousness. (2 Peter 1, James 1:25, 2 Tim. 3:16-17, Jude 3). The faith (doctrine) was ONCE for ALL delivered by the saints of the 1st century Jude 3.

Yet you would teach that more prophecy was to come almost 2000 years after doctrine for the church/kingdom was made complete........while a new prophet writes a NEW BIBLE, while appointing Modern Day Apostles? Who do we believe the Holy Bible and the original apostles of Christ........or J. Smith 2000 years removed from the founding of the Kingdom of God?

After Jesus was crucified and ascended into heaven and after Judas Iscariot betrayed the Christ and killed himself, a new Apostle named Mathias was called to fill Judas' position. Apostles were to remain in the church for the perfecting of the saints and the work of ministry and for the edifying of the body of Christ until we all come to a unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

Ephesians 4:11-16
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

So I ask you Clyde, has the church of Christ reached the status of a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ? If not, then we should still see apostles and prophets in the church of Jesus Christ. None of the verses in your post above show that there should not be apostles and prophets in the church of Jesus Christ. Paul clearly taught to the Ephesians that there should be apostles and prophets until we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

 

[dudmuck]

After Jesus was crucified and ascended into heaven and after Judas Iscariot betrayed the Christ and killed himself, a new Apostle named Mathias was called to fill Judas' position. Apostles were to remain in the church for the perfecting of the saints and the work of ministry and for the edifying of the body of Christ until we all come to a unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

Ephesians 4:11-16
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

So I ask you Clyde, has the church of Christ reached the status of a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ? If not, then we should still see apostles and prophets in the church of Jesus Christ. None of the verses in your post above show that there should not be apostles and prophets in the church of Jesus Christ. Paul clearly taught to the Ephesians that there should be apostles and prophets until we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

Paul himself didnt learn from the apostles, so how could unity ever come from that?

 

[onefour1]

Paul himself didnt learn from the apostles, so how could unity ever come from that?

Paul was an apostle himself. See Romans 1:1 and Galatians 1:1. How do you know that Paul didn't learn from other apostles as well?

 

[dudmuck]

Paul was an apostle himself. See Romans 1:1 and Galatians 1:1. How do you know that Paul didn't learn from other apostles as well?

are you referring to Paul himself as evidence that Paul is an Apostle?

How Paul met the apostles is described here. Paul declined to learn from them. The result of this is a discrepancy of salvation by faith alone vs faith and works.

 

[Clyde 154]

After Jesus was crucified and ascended into heaven and after Judas Iscariot betrayed the Christ and killed himself, a new Apostle named Mathias was called to fill Judas' position. Apostles were to remain in the church for the perfecting of the saints and the work of ministry and for the edifying of the body of Christ until we all come to a unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

Ephesians 4:11-16
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

So I ask you Clyde, has the church of Christ reached the status of a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ? If not, then we should still see apostles and prophets in the church of Jesus Christ. None of the verses in your post above show that there should not be apostles and prophets in the church of Jesus Christ. Paul clearly taught to the Ephesians that there should be apostles and prophets until we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

What? Can't read simple English? You continue to spin and argue in circles, the Word never contradicts itself. The church is mature, no longer a child requiring divine guidance.........GROW UP and stop PLAYING CHURCH. (1 Cor. 13:8-13), "When I was a child I spoke as a child (church of latter day saints).....when I became a man (complete, whole/ TELEIOS), I put away childish things...............now abide Faith, Hope and Love........."

Study, Rightly divide the word of Truth (2 Tim. 2:15)

Yes..........the church of Christ provides all that is necessary for the man of God to be "PERFECT"(2 Tim. 3:16:17, 1 Cor. 13:10)..........The perfect Law of Liberty (James 1:25). All the Apostles are in agreement from Peter to Paul and James as all use the same Greek word for Perfect, TELEIOS which means to be made whole or complete.

The Holy Spirit is addressing the PERFECT LAW, not the perfect man, all men sin (1 John 1:8-10), you are liars if say you have not sinned..........this PERFECT LAW OF LIBERTY holds the authority to save all of mankind through the sacrificial blood of the Lamb of God.........Jesus Christ........as the Christ has taken the sins of the worlds upon Himself, there is nothing remaining to be offered as a sacrifice to forgive sin (1 Peter 2:24)

The FAITH....... CHURCH/KINGDOM.....i.e, the Church of Christ (Matthew 16) was made whole/complete/mature/TELEIOS..........by the saints of the 1st century, ONCE DELIVERED (Jude 3)

Its impossible to add unto a Law that is already PERFECT........thus, its impossible for NEW revelations that add unto the perfect........such as the supposed Book of Mormon........2 thousand years after perfection has been achieved. Its false doctrine.....lies and deceit from those who self profess to be angels/messengers of light (2 Cor. 11:14)


The Law is Perfect and gives us all that is required pertaining to life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3)

 

[Cougarbear]

The Kingdom never left earth........only its KING. (Acts 1, 2) The Kingdom is the church established by Jesus Christ (Matt. 16). As far as depending among some false prophet? Simply because YOUR CULT "teaches" false doctrine does not make it truth. The Father no loner uses prophets to communicate with His church......He speaks through the record left by the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ and His apostles. (Heb. 1:1-2)


"(God the Father)........Hath in these last days (Acts 2, beginning on the day of Pentecost after the ascension of Jesus Christ accompanied by angels of the Lord in the clouds -- Act 1:11-23, 1 .........by which way He (Jesus) will return in same manner, with a trump sound and ARCH ANGEL to receive His bride the Kingdom/Church and Judge the quick and the dead -- Rev. 1:7-9, 2 Tim. 4:1(Revelation was written by John), with Paul agreeing -- 1 Thess 4:16-17

Anyone claiming to be a prophet or an apostle of Christ is teaching false doctrine. Peter, James, Paul ae, Teaching, Rebuking/Correction with all righteousness. (2 Peter 1, James 1:25, 2 Tim. 3:16-17, Jude 3). The faith (doctrine) was ONCE for ALL delivered by the saints of the 1st century Jude 3.

Yet you would teach that more prophecy was to come almost 2000 years after doctrine for the church/kingdom was made complete........while a new prophet writes a NEW BIBLE, while appointing Modern Day Apostles? Who do we believe the Holy Bible and the original apostles of Christ........or J. Smith 2000 years removed from the founding of the Kingdom of God?

Oh, it left!!! The Holy Ghost hasn't been around this world from about 100 AD to 1820 AD when the heavens were reopened and the Lord called a prophet to open this, the last dispensation before the fullness of times. The Priesthood Authority was restored again in 1829. The Kingdom of the earth was restored April 6th, 1830. And, your lost doctrine has been restored.

No, the Bible does not claim it's the only scripture to be studied and followed. So, read Isaiah 29 and ask yourself, what book do you have that is to be opened in the last days that is a marvelous work and a wonder? Do you have it? The one that was shown to learned men like your scholars and priests that they could not understand and read it? Do you have this fullness of the Gospel book? NO YOU DON"T! Thus, your Church continues in darkness and the dark ages.

Your interpretation doesn't even make sense. All it says is that Jesus came in the past few years and spoke to the people. This verse doesn't even talk about the Apostles whom Jesus called to be his mouth piece after he was gone and resurrected. And, nothing about the Holy Ghost here either. So, why did you lie and put in something about his apostles and the Holy Spirit in Hebrews 1:1-2? You totally butchered the verses.

 

[Clyde 154]

Oh, it left!!! The Holy Ghost hasn't been around this world from about 100 AD to 1820 AD when the heavens were reopened and the Lord called a prophet to open this, the last dispensation before the fullness of times. The Priesthood Authority was restored again in 1829. The Kingdom of the earth was restored April 6th, 1830. And, your lost doctrine has been restored.

No, the Bible does not claim it's the only scripture to be studied and followed. So, read Isaiah 29 and ask yourself, what book do you have that is to be opened in the last days that is a marvelous work and a wonder? Do you have it? The one that was shown to learned men like your scholars and priests that they could not understand and read it? Do you have this fullness of the Gospel book? NO YOU DON"T! Thus, your Church continues in darkness and the dark ages.

Your interpretation doesn't even make sense. All it says is that Jesus came in the past few years and spoke to the people. This verse doesn't even talk about the Apostles whom Jesus called to be his mouth piece after he was gone and resurrected. And, nothing about the Holy Ghost here either. So, why did you lie and put in something about his apostles and the Holy Spirit in Hebrews 1:1-2? You totally butchered the verses.

More dogs barking with no teeth.

There is NO private INTERPRETATION. Private interpretation is forbidden 2 Peter 1:20......the Book, Chapters and Verses were presented in all their contextual integrity. No where will you read the inspired scriptures to contradict themselves as your false cult does....... ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired of God. 2 Tim. 3:16-17 You must twist the scriptures in order to mold them around your false cults doctrine.

Question? How can the book of morons add unto THE "PERFECT" LAW OF LIBERTY (James 1:25)......The New Testament of Christ Jesus....The Doctrine found in the 1st century AD? The faith ONCE FOR ALL delivered by the saints of the 1st century (Jude 3) Perfection: A state of being without flaw. The morons must think the Word of God was flawed.....even through they copied verbatim from the King James Translation (errors of transcription and all" Make's one wonder why an antiquated translation from the middle ages was used instead of a Modern Translation? Is your god not capable of using a Modern English translation?

Another question? Have the morons ever found the moon people they say existed?

The Inhabitants of the Moon & Sun

Joseph Smith and Brigham Young both taught that there are people living on the Sun and Moon.

www.mormoninfographics.com

 

[Cougarbear]

More dogs barking with no teeth.

There is NO private INTERPRETATION. Private interpretation is forbidden 2 Peter 1:20......the Book, Chapters and Verses were presented in all their contextual integrity. No where will you read the inspired scriptures to contradict themselves as your false cult does....... ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired of God. 2 Tim. 3:16-17 You must twist the scriptures in order to mold them around your false cults doctrine.

Question? How can the book of morons add unto THE "PERFECT" LAW OF LIBERTY (James 1:25)......The New Testament of Christ Jesus....The Doctrine found in the 1st century AD? The faith ONCE FOR ALL delivered by the saints of the 1st century (Jude 3) Perfection: A state of being without flaw. The morons must think the Word of God was flawed.....even through they copied verbatim from the King James Translation (errors of transcription and all" Make's one wonder why an antiquated translation from the middle ages was used instead of a Modern Translation? Is your god not capable of using a Modern English translation?

Another question? Have the morons ever found the moon people they say existed?

The Inhabitants of the Moon & Sun

Joseph Smith and Brigham Young both taught that there are people living on the Sun and Moon.

www.mormoninfographics.com

Then stop saying your interpretation is the only one. You have no authority nor power to interpret anything of God. So, quit twisting the scriptures to fit your unfulfilled gospel. Why would anyone use a modern translation of our lousy English slang and say it still is correct? Now, here is the real truth about "Private Interpretation." No one has the right to say their interpretation is the correct one. Not you nor me. We have the right to understand the scriptures by seeking out Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus Christ and receive our answers personally from the Holy Ghost. We simply have a fuller understanding of the scriptures because we have current day apostles and prophets. We have the 70 also that Jesus established. I can tell you that Jesus never established the Cardinals or Arch Bishops or even Popes. He established Prophets, apostles, the 70's (Evangelists) and the priesthoods after the order of Melchizedek and Aaron. There is nothing in the order of the Church to have orders of the Franciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, Carmelites and Jesuits. Not even Monastic, Mendicant and Canons Regular. Nothing in the Bible has those. Why did your church make up those orders of the priesthood?

As far as the perfect law of liberty, tell us what it is? Tell us in detail what it is?