Zone1 Why was the Resurrection of Jesus Christ Necessary?

[kjw47]

In many of the Christian churches of the day, it is believed that God the Father does not have a body but is only a spirit being. If this were true, then why was it necessary that Jesus Christ rise from the dead and take on and immortal body of flesh and bones? Why is it necessary that all mankind will be resurrected to have an immortal body throughout all eternity?

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Revelation 1:18
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

1 Corinthians 15:53-54
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Why is resurrection so important if God the Father does not have an immortal body as well? Why would Jesus need a resurrected body if perfection is found in God the Father who is a spirit? Why would we all need to resurrect to have an immortal body of flesh and bones? Maybe God the Father himself has an immortal body of flesh and bones as well. We all have a spirit and can say that we are a spirit. But we also have a body. I believe this is the case also with God the Father. After Jesus was resurrected and ascended to heaven to sit on the right hand side of the Father, Paul tells us the following:

Hebrews 1:1-3
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

If Jesus, as an immortal resurrected being with flesh and bones, is the express image of the person of the Father, then wouldn't this imply that the Father too has an immortal body of flesh and bones just as Jesus has? Resurrection seems to be a part of the progression of all to be more perfect like our Lord and Savior and our Father in Heaven. If God the Father does not have an immortal body of flesh and bones, why then was it necessary for the Christ to resurrect and for all mankind to resurrect?

The 144,000( Rev 14:3) go to heaven as spirits( changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation)--No flesh lives in heaven. Spirit beings live in heaven. God allows the good angels to appear as mortal if needed.
The resurrection mentioned at Rev 20 is to the Earth= mortal flesh.

 

[onefour1]

The 144,000( Rev 14:3) go to heaven as spirits( changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation)--No flesh lives in heaven. Spirit beings live in heaven. God allows the good angels to appear as mortal if needed.
The resurrection mentioned at Rev 20 is to the Earth= mortal flesh.

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

The resurrected Lord appeared to his disciples and showed them his resurrected body which consisted of flesh and bones. Is it your opinion that he has since shed his resurrected body? What then was the purpose of his resurrection? If he is still resurrected, then where does he reside if not in heaven? If you believe that he has shed his resurrected body, where do you get this belief from? What is the purpose of the resurrection if no flesh is to inherit the kingdom of heaven? It is true that "flesh and blood" do not inherit the kingdom of heaven, but Jesus had no blood in the resurrection. But he did have "flesh and bones" and was seen ascending to heaven that way by many.

Acts 1:6-11
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Here we learn that the resurrected Jesus ascended into heaven "flesh and bone" and all. Nowhere in scripture does it say that Jesus put off his resurrected immortal body of "flesh and bones". Because of Jesus, we all will be resurrected and live immortally in bodies of "flesh and bones". When Jesus ascended into heaven he ascend unto God our Father in Heaven:

John 20:17
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Revelation 1:17-18
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

1 Corinthians 15:42-44, 52-55
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Christ showed his disciples what all these things mean when he appeared before his disciples as an immortal resurrected being with a body of "flesh and bones". Nowhere in scripture does it teach that Christ will ever put off his immortal body of flesh and bones.

 

[zaangalewa]

Why was the Resurrection of Jesus Christ Necessary?​

Was it necessary? ...

 

[zaangalewa]

I do not give a flying fuck through a rolling fucking donut ...

¿Gospel 0311? The air behind the donut will for sure not become pregnant with this method. Did you never hear the story from bees and flowers and how they make baby flowers?

 

[zaangalewa]

One more time for religious impaired. I DO NOT GIVE FUCK THROUGH A ROLLING FUCKING DONUT IF YOU DISAGREE. YOUR SKY MAN DOES NOT FUCKING EXIST AND HIS BASTARD SON IS FUCKING LIE. TAKE YOUR HOLY MYTH BOOK AND SHOVE IT!!!

Why do you try to "answer" to a problem which is far from your will to be understood and far from your belief?

 

[zaangalewa]

Meriweather

A nice crowd of a[nti]theists here. Massive. But let me say: Somehow strange that no one seems to have a problem to think "suddenly" a complete universe was here - but have the same time the problem to believe in the resurrection (¿should it not only be "surrection"?) of Jesus the Christ. Do they fear their life could not end?

 

[zaangalewa]

Atheists are some of the biggest evangelists

Irony? I see Christians believing in god and tolerating other forms of belief - and intolerant atheists believing in nothing. They are aggressively desperated that beliefers in god do not like to share their "knowledge" god not exists, which is indeed also "only" a belief.

 

[luiza]

^I don't have a clue what that means.

It was attempted, Ha ha ha .

As I am sure you know , I regard the subject as one huge hoot --- in modern parlance it became what we now call a Psy Op thanks to Constantine , but after the Essene monk's body was bought by Joseph from Pilate he recovered fully and later spent the back -end of his life preaching in Asia Minor with his eldest son .
He died ca. AD 62 from memory .

Of course Saul , aka Paul , created the initial Hocus Pocus with the Ascension story , knowing that it was a a likely ratings winner to advance belief both among the Romans and the locals . It is most likely that he came to believe his own narratives and was no deliberate scammer .

It distracted from the hard fact that Jesus was an illegitimate caused by his mother having a dalliance with a tall stranger with big flapping wings .
Hardly a promising story line .

All in all, a great early example of Mind Control used for the benefit of the Roman Empire and then Cult Christianity and what became the Vatican .

It bothers me not a jot that so many have found the whole Cult story a more than useful crutch to help them through this incarnation , and compared to many other Cults real Christians have done little harm but much good .
And it seems fine that "every dog has its day " .

 

[zaangalewa]

It was attempted, Ha ha ha .

As I am sure you know , I regard the subject as one huge hoot --- in modern parlance it became what we now call a Psy Op thanks to Constantine , but after the Essene monk's body was bought by Joseph from Pilate he recovered fully and later spent the back -end of his life preaching in Asia Minor with his eldest son .
He died ca. AD 62 from memory .

Of course Saul , aka Paul , created the initial Hocus Pocus with the Ascension story , knowing that it was a a likely ratings winner to advance belief both among the Romans and the locals . It is most likely that he came to believe his own narratives and was no deliberate scammer .

It distracted from the hard fact that Jesus was an illegitimate caused by his mother having a dalliance with a tall stranger with big flapping wings .
Hardly a promising story line .

All in all, a great early example of Mind Control used for the benefit of the Roman Empire and then Cult Christianity and what became the Vatican .

It bothers me not a jot that so many have found the whole Cult story a more than useful crutch to help them through this incarnation , and compared to many other Cults real Christians have done little harm but much good .
And it seems fine that "every dog has its day " .

And when will your master leave the Ukraine with all of your soldiers, slave of Putin? Yesterday could be a good day to do so and to end your stupid, senseless and criminal war on Europe in the Ukraine.

 

[luiza]

And when will your master leave the Ukraine with all of your soldiers, slave of Putin? Yesterday could be a good day to do so and to end your stupid, senseless and criminal war on Europe in the Ukraine.

Uncle Pooters is there converting your Ukraine Nazi brothers and sisters to the path of Christian righteousness .
I have mentioned you to him so do not be surprised if you get a visit from our Spetsnaz Christian Advisers .

 

[zaangalewa]

Uncle Pooters is there converting your Ukraine Nazi brothers and sisters to the path of Christian righteousness .
I have mentioned you to him so do not be surprised if you get a visit from our Spetsnaz Christian Advisers

Russian or US-Russian - to call all Christians idiots because Christians are peaceful is one thing - to be on your own a supporter of cruel and violent atheistic or satanic idiots is another thing. For sure Jesus died not for nothing. And sometimes it could be better to fear god instead to love nothing.

 

[luiza]

And sometimes it could be better to fear god instead to love nothing.

Because you continue to worship your Nazi anti christ , we Christians will march on as to war .
Our Lord Pooters will clear a straight path before him .

You cannot continue only loving blue eyes and blonde hair when God and Pooters stand before you .

 

[zaangalewa]

Because you continue to worship your Nazi anti christ , we Christians will march on as to war .
Our Lord Pooters will clear a straight path before him .

You cannot continue only loving blue eyes and blonde hair when God and Pooters stand before you .

Lass diesen Unsinn einfach sein, Russe.
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Just stop this absurd nonsense, Russian.

You should slowly try to understand and to realize to speak with a real German and not with an absurde US-American who is believing in the own lies.



PS: Russia is a damn big nut that we certainly don't want to crack - but if we're forced to, we'll have to crack it. Unfortunately, you seem to have forgotten what can happen then.

Your patriarch is by the way a slave of Putin, slave of Putin. I have to warn all Russians that your patriarch had been once a member of Putin's KGB and became with the grace of Putin an oligarch with $2.7 billion private assets. The god of your patriarch is Putin.

And if you should be an US-Russian then you should be aware that Trump and his dilettants have not any chance against Putin's professional wrong spinners of the world.

 

[Meriweather]

Meriweather

A nice crowd of a[nti]theists here. Massive. But let me say: Somehow strange that no one seems to have a problem to think "suddenly" a complete universe was here - but have the same time the problem to believe in the resurrection (¿should it not only be "surrection"?) of Jesus the Christ. Do they fear their life could not end?

Two types of atheists: Those who have nothing against God or people of faith, but they, in all truth, hold no belief in God. The militant atheist clearly has a beef with God and people of faith. They ignore the goodness, love, and beauty of God and His creation and--often more zealously than people of faith-- bitterly and ferociously exhume with loathing and revulsion what they see as excrement against both the Creator and Creation. And, like a dog, they roll in it.

 

[onefour1]

Was it necessary? ...

From the perspective of a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the answer is a definite YES!! God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ both have immortal resurrected bodies of flesh and bones and it has been revealed in latter day scripture that there is more joy in having an eternal body than not.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:33-34
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.

So, in order to have a fulness of joy, it is necessary for us all to be resurrected.

 

[kjw47]

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

The resurrected Lord appeared to his disciples and showed them his resurrected body which consisted of flesh and bones. Is it your opinion that he has since shed his resurrected body? What then was the purpose of his resurrection? If he is still resurrected, then where does he reside if not in heaven? If you believe that he has shed his resurrected body, where do you get this belief from? What is the purpose of the resurrection if no flesh is to inherit the kingdom of heaven? It is true that "flesh and blood" do not inherit the kingdom of heaven, but Jesus had no blood in the resurrection. But he did have "flesh and bones" and was seen ascending to heaven that way by many.

Acts 1:6-11
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Here we learn that the resurrected Jesus ascended into heaven "flesh and bone" and all. Nowhere in scripture does it say that Jesus put off his resurrected immortal body of "flesh and bones". Because of Jesus, we all will be resurrected and live immortally in bodies of "flesh and bones". When Jesus ascended into heaven he ascend unto God our Father in Heaven:

John 20:17
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Revelation 1:17-18
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

1 Corinthians 15:42-44, 52-55
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Christ showed his disciples what all these things mean when he appeared before his disciples as an immortal resurrected being with a body of "flesh and bones". Nowhere in scripture does it teach that Christ will ever put off his immortal body of flesh and bones.

Jesus appeared behind a locked door-mortal flesh cannot do that. Being Gods son can appear as mortal whenever he desires because God has 100% trust in him.
Jesus was raised uncorruptable, Put to death in the flesh, raised a spirit.

 

[onefour1]

Jesus appeared behind a locked door-mortal flesh cannot do that. Being Gods son can appear as mortal whenever he desires because God has 100% trust in him.
Jesus was raised uncorruptable, Put to death in the flesh, raised a spirit.

Who is saying that it was mortal flesh? It was immortal flesh and bones. The capacity of an immortal resurrected being of flesh and bones is not the same as that of mortal being of flesh and blood. Yes, Jesus with his immortal body of flesh and bones walked through the locked door. Immortal bodies have greater powers than mortal bodies.

 

[zaangalewa]

From the perspective of a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the answer is a definite YES!!

You try to baptize dead people - so I do not see in you Christians.

God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ both have immortal resurrected bodies of flesh and bones and it has been revealed in latter day scripture that there is more joy in having an eternal body than not.

This is far from this what I think. I am an agnostics. I don't know what or who god is. I'm only able to understand what others and I sense (=wahrnehmen, perceive) and what others and I think (in sense of philosophy). First of all created god everything "out of nothing" how we say. This is not an essential belief but no one found up to now any other solution. "Nothing" is in this context able to be a real nothing (if a nothing is able to be real at all), a philosophical construct or just simple something what we are (¿still?) not able to think about because our current body and/or existence in space and time (¿delusions?) give us no possibility to do so. This is no problem because god loves us and is no liar. So I'm sure we can find explanations for everything - but not explanations for god. He is what He is - or She is what She is - or They are what they are ... neverthelless in Jesus the Christ god became a helpless part of His own creation as everything else in this creation also is more or less an helpless part of this creation. But it needs the whole creation for us to exist and in Jesus god shows to us that he is with us - totally with us - also in our most darkest hours and in our dying. Fortunatelly God came to us and we praised and honored him, gave him our riches, made him to the imperator of the world ... ahm ... ¿We crucified god like a criminal on a cross? ... Ooops ... Typically "we" I would say. “Know thyself and the God before thee" I would like to say now in analogy to the oracle in Delphi “Know thyself and the God within you".

Doctrine and Covenants 93:33-34
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.

So, in order to have a fulness of joy, it is necessary for us all to be resurrected.

For me this is not necessary. The Greek "underworld" - to live as a shadow - would not be nice but if so why not? If god decides to let me not exist after my death any longer then this is absolutely okay for me. If god will do so he will have reasons for to do so. And I'm sure if he will decide to do so then this will be the very best at all.

What do I not like? I would not like to go to Walhall for example. The whole time to be drunken and to be amused and to go to war afterwards is not a kind of heaven for me. Indeed was Walhall only a drunken crazy idea as a reaction to the Christian "concept" heaven or hell. I had by the way also a problem if I would come to heaven - but this I do not like to discuss now. I think the history in which we live now not needs such sophisticated discussions. If I will come to heaven god knows what will be my plan to do there. As far as I understand him currently he may perhaps think I will have not really the courage to do what I think about in abstract terms - and I fear he would be right if he would think so. I always needed god in my life and he always helped. So perhaps he will also help me to come to heaven and to find a home there where I'm able to live. Hope hopefully will die last.



Who has never dreamed of happiness
When winter's farewell approaches?
Who has never rhymed in love?
Whenever spring came?
For in all of us blooms
The longing for the one,
Of which we think,
It is happiness
The great love
The day comes,
When we understand,
Being, how beautiful you are.

...

A song goes around the world,
A song that you like.
The melody reaches the stars.
Each of us loves to hear it.
The song sings of love,
The song sings of loyalty,
And it will never fade away,
It will be sung forever.
Even if time flies,
The song will remain forever.

 

[onefour1]

You try to baptize dead people - so I do not see in you Christians.

That's funny because the Apostle Paul in his sermon to the Corinthians defended the idea of the resurrection by saying why baptize for the dead if the dead rise not at all? In other words, why do we bother baptizing our dead if there is no resurrection?

1 Corinthians 15:29
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

Baptism for the dead has always been an ordinance of the true church of Jesus Christ. It is only through apostasy that these teachings were lost among the many false Christians churches of our day. If you understand that between the time of Christ's death and his resurrection that he went among the dead and preached to them, then you would understand that they still have the opportunity of receiving his gospel. Yet Jesus has required of those who wish to enter the kingdom of heaven to be baptized. The spirits of the dead who Christ taught cannot without a body be baptized. Thus baptism for the dead by proxy was established in the early church. Baptism is a saving ordinance that all must receive in order to be saved into the kingdom of heaven.

1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

John 3:5
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Yes, it has always been a practice among the true church of Jesus Christ.

This is far from this what I think. I am an agnostics. I don't know what or who god is. I'm only able to understand what others and I sense (=wahrnehmen, perceive) and what others and I think (in sense of philosophy). First of all created god everything "out of nothing" how we say. This is not an essential belief but no one found up to now any other solution. "Nothing" is in this context able to be a real nothing (if a nothing is able to be real at all), a philosophical construct or just simple something what we are (¿still?) not able to think about because our current body and/or existence in space and time (¿delusions?) give us no possibility to do so. This is no problem because god loves us and is no liar. So I'm sure we can find explanations for everything - but not explanations for god. He is what He is - or She is what She is - or They are what they are ... neverthelless in Jesus the Christ god became a helpless part of His own creation as everything else in this creation also is more or less an helpless part of this creation. But it needs the whole creation for us to exist and in Jesus god shows to us that he is with us - totally with us - also in our most darkest hours and in our dying. Fortunatelly God came to us and we praised and honored him, gave him our riches, made him to the imperator of the world ... ahm ... ¿We crucified god like a criminal on a cross? ... Ooops ... Typically "we" I would say. “Know thyself and the God before thee" I would like to say now in analogy to the oracle in Delphi “Know thyself and the God within you".

It has been revealed through a prophet in these latter days that God does not create out of nothing. The matter that exists in the universe is eternal has always existed. In fact, the intelligences of the universe are self-existing and were never created or made. They have always existed. God has organized the elements into worlds and has organized our intelligences with matter into spirits and then into bodies of flesh and bones.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:29, 33-34
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34 And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.

In fact, God, as an exalted, glorified, immortal man has given birth to our spirits through the process of procreation. We are literally the offspring of God.

Acts 17:29
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

God is the literal Father of our spirits.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Because our intelligences are self-existent and could not be created or made, God could not create us to be perfect. We are what we are. This is why God has to bring about the perfection in mankind in another way. By coming to this earth and taking on mortality, we have the opportunity to learn and experience good from evil. God has given us free will because in order for us to truly become good beings in and of ourselves, we must choose goodness of our own free will and choice. God knew we would make mistakes because of our imperfection but still provided a means whereby we could progress by learning good from evil. God also provided a means whereby we can repent and be forgiven of our bad decisions and be cleansed from our wickedness. Jesus was a perfect being who upon coming to this life never once sinned. Yet he took upon himself the punishment for the sins of all mankind. This was an extreme unjust punishment upon the Son of God because he did not deserve any punishment. Because of this severe punishment that he took upon himself, he was deserving of a recompense. He was not only to be recompensed for is sufferings but also to the extent of his sufferings. His recompense was that he could forgive the sins of those who would repent and this covers all mankind. No only did the Christ bring forgiveness of sin but he also brought immortality unto all mankind through the resurrection of the dead.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For me this is not necessary. The Greek "underworld" - to live as a shadow - would not be nice but if so why not? If god decides to let me not exist after my death any longer then this is absolutely okay for me. If god will do so he will have reasons for to do so. And I'm sure if he will decide to do so then this will be the very best at all.

As stated above, I believe that our intelligence is self-existing and eternal. It cannot be destroyed or annihilated but will always exist. God never completely destroys Satan and his minions because of this. We are all eternal in nature and will always exist. God give us free will so that we can choose whatever eternal existence we wish to have. Those willing to live by the law of heaven will be able to inherit heaven. Those unwilling to abide a heavenly law will need to go to a lesser kingdom where they are willing to abide by that law. Most all of the kingdoms will be better than mortal life on this earth. It is just the degree of greatness that you are willing to accept.

What do I not like? I would not like to go to Walhall for example. The whole time to be drunken and to be amused and to go to war afterwards is not a kind of heaven for me. Indeed was Walhall only a drunken crazy idea as a reaction to the Christian "concept" heaven or hell. I had by the way also a problem if I would come to heaven - but this I do not like to discuss now. I think the history in which we live now not needs such sophisticated discussions. If I will come to heaven god knows what will be my plan to do there. As far as I understand him currently he may perhaps think I will have not really the courage to do what I think about in abstract terms - and I fear he would be right if he would think so. I always needed god in my life and he always helped. So perhaps he will also help me to come to heaven and to find a home there where I'm able to live. Hope hopefully will die last.



Who has never dreamed of happiness
When winter's farewell approaches?
Who has never rhymed in love?
Whenever spring came?
For in all of us blooms
The longing for the one,
Of which we think,
It is happiness
The great love
The day comes,
When we understand,
Being, how beautiful you are.

...

A song goes around the world,
A song that you like.
The melody reaches the stars.
Each of us loves to hear it.
The song sings of love,
The song sings of loyalty,
And it will never fade away,
It will be sung forever.
Even if time flies,
The song will remain forever.

We are soon approaching the second coming of our Savior on this earth. He will then bring in a time of peace and joy which will continue for 1000 years. May we all prepare for this great day of the Lord is my hope for my fellow humans on this earth.

 

[zaangalewa]

That's funny ...

No - that's not funny. It's more than only damned ugly to baptize dead people. The dead not only deserve to be left in peace - they are also completely dead and only god decides with them together whatever could have to be decided. Only when ultimate justice is restored will they finally be called by God. And only love is able to overbridge all spaces and times and universes - and not any blasphemic institutional nonsense made by a spiritual charlatan is able to do so. Do not play with powers you are not able to understand, weirdo.