zaangalewa
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Take a book. Read it.
Zone1 Why was the Resurrection of Jesus Christ Necessary?
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Take a book. Read it.
zaangalewa
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When Jesus will open the door and say "come" then I will answer something like "¿Ooops? ... ¿Now? ... ¿Really? ... Okay!".
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1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
I guess the dead are not so dead after all. Jesus went among them and preached his gospel. The body dies but the spirits of the dead are very much alive and this is all according to Peter the chief apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. Right there in the Bible.
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I have taken a book and read it. It is called the Doctrine and Covenants. It contains the revelations of God to his church in these last days.
Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
Try reading it sometime.
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The dead are dead. Absolutely dead. You can call no one back into life - except on reason of a wrong diagnose what's a terrible situation which hopefully no one will have to suffer. And if you could do so then you had to live in fear of yourselve. Let it be! Let the dead live in peace! And never forget: You are not Jesus! You are not god! Do not try to touch the tree of life if you do not want to feel the unpleasant side of the guardian and archangel Michael.
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Making things up never make a truth.
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Some weeks ago I had to say to my Lutheran grandson he should not take serios his religious education teacher. "No one knows the apocalypse", I said to him, "also not your teacher. Do not trust in his words". ... Furthermore I said to him: "I am only a simple Catholic - not a religious teacher. But from my point of view many of us Christians suffer from an excess of apocalypse and a lack of Christmas."
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Ich steh an deiner Krippen hier,
o Jesu, du mein Leben;
ich komme, bring und schenke dir,
was du mir hast gegeben.
Nimm hin, es ist mein Geist und Sinn,
Herz, Seel und Mut, nimm alles hin
und laß dir’s wohlgefallen.
Da ich noch nicht geboren war,
da bist du mir geboren
und hast mich dir zu eigen gar,
eh ich dich kannt, erkoren.
Eh ich durch deine Hand gemacht,
da hast du schon bei dir bedacht,
wie du mein wolltest werden.
Ich lag in tiefster Todesnacht,
du warest meine Sonne,
die Sonne, die mir zugebracht
Licht, Leben, Freud und Wonne.
O Sonne, die das werte Licht
des Glaubens in mir zugericht’,
wie schön sind deine Strahlen!
Ich sehe dich mit Freuden an
und kann mich nicht satt sehen;
und weil ich nun nichts weiter kann,
bleib ich anbetend stehen.
O daß mein Sinn ein Abgrund wär
und meine Seel ein weites Meer,
daß ich dich möchte fassen!
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I stand here at your manger,
O Jesus, my life;
I come, bring and give you
what you have given me.
Receive, it is my spirit and mind,
heart, soul and courage, take it all
and let it please you.
When I was not yet born,
you were born to me
and made me your own,
before I knew you.
Before I was made by your hand
thou hadst already considered with thee
how you wanted to become mine.
I lay in the deepest night of death,
you were my sun,
the sun that brought me
Light, life, joy and bliss.
O sun, which the precious light
of faith in me,
how beautiful are your rays!
I look at you with joy
and cannot see enough of you;
and because I can do nothing else,
I remain standing in adoration.
Oh that my mind were an abyss
and my soul a wide sea,
that I might grasp you!
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You do not ask for the pleasures of the world
nor after the pleasures of the body;
you have set yourself with us,
to suffer in our stead,
seeking my soul's glory
through misery and wretchedness;
I will not deny you this.
But one thing, I hope,
my Redeemer, you will not deny me:
that I may carry you for and for
in, with and on me.
So let me be your crib;
come, come and rest with me
You and all your joys.
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Du fragest nicht nach Lust der Welt
noch nach des Leibes Freuden;
du hast dich bei uns eingestellt,
an unsrer Statt zu leiden,
suchst meiner Seele Herrlichkeit
durch Elend und Armseligkeit;
das will ich dir nicht wehren.
Eins aber, hoff ich, wirst du mir,
mein Heiland, nicht versagen:
daß ich dich möge für und für
in, bei und an mir tragen.
So laß mich doch dein Kripplein sein;
komm, komm und lege bei mir ein
dich und all deine Freuden.
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Death is nothing more than the separation of our bodies from our spirits. Our bodies die but our spirits are immortal, they live forever. The good thing about the resurrection is that our bodies also will rise again and they will live forever again once they are joined with our spirit to become immortal. You are right that I cannot bring them back to life, but our Lord Jesus can and will bring all of us back to life through the resurrection of the dead. I like that you said, "let the dead LIVE in peace!". That is exactly what I've been telling you. They do live! Their spirits are very much alive and eventually they will be reconciled to their bodies to become immortal forever more. Christ went and preached unto the spirits of the dead and organized his church among them. For them to be baptized they must receive it by proxy. All mankind will hear and have the chance to receive the gospel and have a chance at entering the kingdom of heaven.
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Revelation 1:18
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
What was it that made Christ to be dead? Was it not that his body died. His spirit continued to live and he went among the spirits that were dead and taught his gospel.
1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
So Christ's death was the separation of his body from his spirit. His body was dead. But once he was resurrected he spoke to John the revelator and and said, "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." By this he is saying that his body is alive again and coupled again with his spirit as a resurrected immortal being. He declares that he was dead but now is alive forever more! This has reference to his immortal resurrection to never lay down his body again! He doesn't wear his body like a cheap suit that he puts on and off. He is now immortal and will never lay down his body again. Nowhere in scripture does it tell us that he sheds his immortal resurrected body again! In fact it tells us that we all will eventually resurrect and become immortal with bodies of flesh and bones. I'm not making this up but it is you making up the idea that Jesus jumps in and out of mortality at his will. Show me where that is in the scriptures.
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Well we can know the things that have been revealed regarding the apocalypse! For example, Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation.
zaangalewa
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Where was you a million years ago?
zaangalewa
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And I thought some compassionate Roman idiot had stabbed him in the side of the heart with a lance, so that blood and water flowed out, to be sure that this wretched terrorist had really died. And he really died. And someone cried „Gott ist tot! Gott bleibt tot! Und wir haben ihn getötet.“ Ahm, sorry: “God is dead! God remains dead! And we have killed him.”
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To the choirmaster: according to The Doe of the Dawn. A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, from the words of my groaning? O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer, and by night, but I find no rest. Yet you are holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel. In you our fathers trusted; they trusted, and you delivered them. To you they cried and were rescued; in you they trusted and were not put to shame. But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by mankind and despised by the people. All who see me mock me; they make mouths at me; they wag their heads; “He trusts in the Lord; let him deliver him; let him rescue him, for he delights in him!” Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mother’s breasts. On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mother’s womb you have been my God. Be not far from me, for trouble is near, and there is none to help. Many bulls encompass me; strong bulls of Bashan surround me; they open wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax; it is melted within my breast; my strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to my jaws; you lay me in the dust of death. For dogs encompass me; a company of evildoers encircles me; they have pierced my hands and feet — I can count all my bones — they stare and gloat over me; they divide my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots. But you, O Lord, do not be far off! O you my help, come quickly to my aid! Deliver my soul from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dog! Save me from the mouth of the lion! You have rescued me from the horns of the wild oxen! I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will praise you: You who fear the Lord, praise him! All you offspring of Jacob, glorify him, and stand in awe of him, all you offspring of Israel! For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the afflicted, and he has not hidden his face from him, but has heard, when he cried to him. From you comes my praise in the great congregation; my vows I will perform before those who fear him. The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the Lord! May your hearts live forever! All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before you. For kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations. All the prosperous of the earth eat and worship; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, even the one who could not keep himself alive. Posterity shall serve him; it shall be told of the Lord to the coming generation; they shall come and proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn, that he has done it.
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I was among the sons of God who shouted for joy.
Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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You speak of the cause of the separation of our Lord's body from his spirit. There can be many causes of the separation but eventually at death the spirit separates from the body.
Luke 23:46
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
kjw47
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Symbolism speaking to ones in Hades-Hades= the Grave, none can hear or speak.
The bible does not say he does not lay down his body.
Spirit beings live in heaven, not flesh.
zaangalewa
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The really astonishing thing in this context is not this lie and is also not the real meta-physical background "before" the universe started to exist. The real astonishing thing is I could ask my good all friend Merlin ... ahm sorry: Alkuin ... ¿or was it Catweazle? ... however ... if I will ask him to go back a million years and to wipe you out of this universe - better to say to make it impossible that you will be born here - then you indeed would not exist for me and you never had existed and will never exist. ... oh ... one moment ... ¿really?
So my good old 13.8 billion years old comrade - what about to become an adult and to let it be to try to tell me bullshit?
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You zaangalewa, were there also. Your spirit existed before you were born. Just study what happened to those who fought with Michael in the war in heaven. They eventually became mortal and needed the blood of the lamb to overcome the devil and were subject to death.
Revelation 12:7-11
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
You and I both were on Michael's side and fought against Satan and his minions before the foundation of this earth. Satan and his minions were cast out of heaven into this earth and were denied the opportunity to ever receive bodies of flesh and bone. You and I and all mankind were allowed to receive bodies of flesh and bone along with all who are born into this life. We must overcome Satan by the blood of the lamb and by our testimonies. Eventually we will die but thanks be to the lamb we will resurrect and have an immortal body of flesh and bones for all eternity. We are the spirit children of our Father in Heaven and existed as such before the foundation of this world.
Acts 17:29
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Ephesians 1:3-5
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
We are spiritual brothers by being the very offspring of God our Heavenly Father.
zaangalewa
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No, you are an anti-brother who speaks continuously nonsense by using the bible like toilet paper. You can use the marginal notes we once made also in other ways. As a booster seat e.g. All around you are the spirits of the future of the universe. Tell me what they say to you. You don't know? Then let me tell you: They tell you exactly n-o-t-h-i-n-g ! And exactly the same they told your beloved fake-prophet - what was his name? - ¿Joseph Smith? And you try to justify the nonsense which you continuously speak out with "god" - ah sorry: the bible in your "own" interpretation. The bible was not written to produce mistakes - the textes of the bible - and far not only this textes - show us something. The bible is an expression of our spiritual home and not the expression of a battlefield.
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zaangalewa
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Sorry - aber wie kann eigentlich einer einen so saublöden Superblödsinn von sich geben?
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Sorry - but how can someone make such super stupid nonsense?
I never fought with you and Michael against a Mr. Satan and his ¿what? before god created the world.
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The Gsopel is what it is.
