Me irrefutably pointing out your idolatry does not make Jews look bad. It makes you look bad.
If I said it again would it matter?
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If I said it again would it matter?
Catholic. Except we say it with a great deal more respect. But I get that you are a religious nutjob and condemn respect for people of different faith.
Would you like to round us up?
Right. so why are you asking the same questions over and over again? Are you hard of reading?
Even your own scriptures prophesy that all of Israel will be saved. Didn't you read your own book?
Don't you promote as good what God has forbidden? Idolatry, the worship of a man, the celebration of human sacrifice, beguiling the gullible, the very epitome of the talking serpent.
Remember, lying in the name of God will get you eternity in hell, now that you heard the truth.
Carry on.
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Even Leviticus 18:22
I'm giving you rope to hang yourself and you are too stupid to even notice.
Sure you are. lol. You don't know where I am coming from or where I am going. And you act like you can escape the hand of my God in this world or the next? Now who's really stupid?
Tell me more about how YOUR God is going to smite me.
There is no "going to smite you". You brazenly defy the Law that prohibits idolatry and desecrate the teachings of Jesus, the Actual Body of Christ. You are oblivious to the fact that you died and descended into hell in the same day you set aside the law of my God to worship and eat a trinity.
You have been broken by trained personnel, then fitted with collar and chain. Like a lily white cur. You have been "beguiled" into an artificially induced state of mind that resembles a deep sleep.
YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY!
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Tell me more, Rabbi.
So your God is powerless?
Who knew playing golf 200 days a year was hell
Yes, I have done quite well for myself and my family.
When all else fails.........
The holy scriptures are objective in the fact they have existed for over 3500 years and they are based upon the prima facie evidence presented by "eyewitness" accounts. Thus,,,,,,,,,,,,your subjective claim void of any objective evidence, "........I am explaining THE ONLY WAY they could possibly be true....." which is nothing but ad hominem BS opinion.
Eyewitness Accounts: "For we (the apostles of Christ) have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty." -- 2 Peter 1:16
In order to prove the scriptures wrong you must present the objective, testable, repeatable evidence that make these eyewitness accounts impossible. You can no more disprove the supernatural events presented in scripture by attempting to define them with the natural laws of physics than I can prove they did occur using the laws of physics. Super (superior) Natural (to nature).
By your logic or lack thereof....the universe cannot possibly exist because science can't prove the origins of Natural Physics. If you can: use Applied Science to demonstrate the the supposed source of the energy that supposedly exploded and created everything from nothing other than hydrogen and helium 2 gases that somehow (without proof) evolved into physical life forms ..........Proceed, let us see the objective physical experiment using the Laws of physics that demonstrate that creating source of energy. No theories, no assumptions, no speculations about multiple dimensions (circular argument.......as there must be first regardless of the claimed amount of multiple universes).
The natural does not possess the ability to quantity the SuperNatural. So............it is possible.......YOUR FALSE PREMISE is exposed as subjective BS. Because you refuse to accept the evidence of creation being supernatural, does not mean the evidence does not exist based upon the things that are created without physical evidence of origins. The Universe, Life, Love.......none of these existing physical realities can be quantified through application of science. Its called SUPERNATURAL for a reason.
Can I explain the supernatural events found in the holy scriptures? Of course not (unlike your claim, I do not claim to have a super-natural-0-ometer (ghost meter) shoved up my bum that can measure the super natural, which is superior to the natural physical realm)...........but the 95% remaining content of the Holy Scriptures can be tested for truth based upon the science of archaeology and recorded history...........the scriptures have never been broken where they can be tested. Who created God? No one......God is a spirit (not physical (John 4:24) and subject to any natural laws of physics, God is a spirit (Deut. 33:27 is just one of some 73 passages of scripture that declare the Godhead as a supernatural eternally existing entity.
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Jesus did not ascend into HELL...........read your koine greek correctly, Jesus went to preach to the souls in HADES (the resting place/realm of all the dead (the righteous and the unrighteous souls (Luke 16, 23:43, one section for the wicked the other for the righteous souls, Jesus called the righteous section of Hades "Paradise", when He declared the thief would join Him that same day in "PARADISE" the forgiven or righteous are found in the harms of father Abraham in Hades awaiting final judgement -- not HELL (which is reserved for Satan and His minions Both Hades and Death are thrown into Hell with Satan at the judgment (Rev. 20:13-15)
I Peter 3:19..........Jesus went to preach in Hades "through His spirit", not His physical body during the 3 days in the tomb. " ........was quickened by the Spirit (Jesus), and by which He went and preached unto the spirits (the realm of the dead/hades) in prison.........
The blood of Jesus flows backwards through History as well as forward into the future.......if not, all the righteous dead under the law would have no method of salvation via the Law of Moses......sin was carried forward season by season through the practice of animal sacrifice (burnt offerings of goats and bulls) by the royal priesthood of Levites. The Law (of Moses carried no permanent remedy for sin. (Hebrews 9:15,10:1-4). The Blood of Christ (the ultimate sacrifice is the only cure for sin) (Hebrews 9:14)
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When we die, our spirits go to one of two places, spirit paradise or spirit prison. Neither are Hades or Hell. They are the place that spirits await for the resurrection. To one who was hanged on the cross with Jesus, Jesus said:
Luke 23:43
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Jesus tells him that today he would be with him in paradise. Jesus did not go to heaven on that day but went to preach to the spirits that were dead. One of the places of the dead spirits was known as paradise. This is where the faithful dead wait for a glorious resurrection. But the scriptures also speak of Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison. So another place of the dead spirits is spirit prison.
1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Jesus did not ascend to heaven until after he was resurrected. While his body lay in the tomb, he went and preached to the spirits of the dead.
1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
In these latter-days our prophet Joseph F. Smith sought through prayer to understand these things and received the following revelation which is part of our canon of scripture:
Doctrine and Covenants 138
Section 138
A vision given to President Joseph F. Smith in Salt Lake City, Utah, on October 3, 1918. In his opening address at the 89th Semiannual General Conference of the Church, on October 4, 1918, President Smith declared that he had received several divine communications during the previous months. One of these, concerning the Savior’s visit to the spirits of the dead while His body was in the tomb, President Smith had received the previous day. It was written immediately following the close of the conference. On October 31, 1918, it was submitted to the counselors in the First Presidency, the Council of the Twelve, and the Patriarch, and it was unanimously accepted by them.
1–10, President Joseph F. Smith ponders upon the writings of Peter and our Lord’s visit to the spirit world; 11–24, President Smith sees the righteous dead assembled in paradise and Christ’s ministry among them; 25–37, He sees how the preaching of the gospel was organized among the spirits; 38–52, He sees Adam, Eve, and many of the holy prophets in the spirit world who considered their spirit state before their resurrection as a bondage; 53–60, The righteous dead of this day continue their labors in the world of spirits.
1 On the third of October, in the year nineteen hundred and eighteen, I sat in my room pondering over the scriptures;
2 And reflecting upon the great atoning sacrifice that was made by the Son of God, for the redemption of the world;
3 And the great and wonderful love made manifest by the Father and the Son in the coming of the Redeemer into the world;
4 That through his atonement, and by obedience to the principles of the gospel, mankind might be saved.
5 While I was thus engaged, my mind reverted to the writings of the apostle Peter, to the primitive saints scattered abroad throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, and other parts of Asia, where the gospel had been preached after the crucifixion of the Lord.
6 I opened the Bible and read the third and fourth chapters of the first epistle of Peter, and as I read I was greatly impressed, more than I had ever been before, with the following passages:
7 “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
8 “By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
9 “Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” (1 Peter 3:18–20.)
10 “For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1 Peter 4:6.)
11 As I pondered over these things which are written, the eyes of my understanding were opened, and the Spirit of the Lord rested upon me, and I saw the hosts of the dead, both small and great.
12 And there were gathered together in one place an innumerable company of the spirits of the just, who had been faithful in the testimony of Jesus while they lived in mortality;
13 And who had offered sacrifice in the similitude of the great sacrifice of the Son of God, and had suffered tribulation in their Redeemer’s name.
14 All these had departed the mortal life, firm in the hope of a glorious resurrection, through the grace of God the Father and his Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
15 I beheld that they were filled with joy and gladness, and were rejoicing together because the day of their deliverance was at hand.
16 They were assembled awaiting the advent of the Son of God into the spirit world, to declare their redemption from the bands of death.
17 Their sleeping dust was to be restored unto its perfect frame, bone to his bone, and the sinews and the flesh upon them, the spirit and the body to be united never again to be divided, that they might receive a fulness of joy.
18 While this vast multitude waited and conversed, rejoicing in the hour of their deliverance from the chains of death, the Son of God appeared, declaring liberty to the captives who had been faithful;
19 And there he preached to them the everlasting gospel, the doctrine of the resurrection and the redemption of mankind from the fall, and from individual sins on conditions of repentance.
20 But unto the wicked he did not go, and among the ungodly and the unrepentant who had defiled themselves while in the flesh, his voice was not raised;
21 Neither did the rebellious who rejected the testimonies and the warnings of the ancient prophets behold his presence, nor look upon his face.
22 Where these were, darkness reigned, but among the righteous there was peace;
23 And the saints rejoiced in their redemption, and bowed the knee and acknowledged the Son of God as their Redeemer and Deliverer from death and the chains of hell.
24 Their countenances shone, and the radiance from the presence of the Lord rested upon them, and they sang praises unto his holy name.
25 I marveled, for I understood that the Savior spent about three years in his ministry among the Jews and those of the house of Israel, endeavoring to teach them the everlasting gospel and call them unto repentance;
26 And yet, notwithstanding his mighty works, and miracles, and proclamation of the truth, in great power and authority, there were but few who hearkened to his voice, and rejoiced in his presence, and received salvation at his hands.
27 But his ministry among those who were dead was limited to the brief time intervening between the crucifixion and his resurrection;
28 And I wondered at the words of Peter—wherein he said that the Son of God preached unto the spirits in prison, who sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah—and how it was possible for him to preach to those spirits and perform the necessary labor among them in so short a time.
29 And as I wondered, my eyes were opened, and my understanding quickened, and I perceived that the Lord went not in person among the wicked and the disobedient who had rejected the truth, to teach them;
30 But behold, from among the righteous, he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to all the spirits of men; and thus was the gospel preached to the dead.
31 And the chosen messengers went forth to declare the acceptable day of the Lord and proclaim liberty to the captives who were bound, even unto all who would repent of their sins and receive the gospel.
32 Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, or in transgression, having rejected the prophets.
33 These were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands,
34 And all other principles of the gospel that were necessary for them to know in order to qualify themselves that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
35 And so it was made known among the dead, both small and great, the unrighteous as well as the faithful, that redemption had been wrought through the sacrifice of the Son of God upon the cross.
36 Thus was it made known that our Redeemer spent his time during his sojourn in the world of spirits, instructing and preparing the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh;
37 That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words.
38 Among the great and mighty ones who were assembled in this vast congregation of the righteous were Father Adam, the Ancient of Days and father of all,
39 And our glorious Mother Eve, with many of her faithful daughters who had lived through the ages and worshiped the true and living God.
40 Abel, the first martyr, was there, and his brother Seth, one of the mighty ones, who was in the express image of his father, Adam.
41 Noah, who gave warning of the flood; Shem, the great high priest; Abraham, the father of the faithful; Isaac, Jacob, and Moses, the great law-giver of Israel;
42 And Isaiah, who declared by prophecy that the Redeemer was anointed to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that were bound, were also there.
43 Moreover, Ezekiel, who was shown in vision the great valley of dry bones, which were to be clothed upon with flesh, to come forth again in the resurrection of the dead, living souls;
44 Daniel, who foresaw and foretold the establishment of the kingdom of God in the latter days, never again to be destroyed nor given to other people;
45 Elias, who was with Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration;
46 And Malachi, the prophet who testified of the coming of Elijah—of whom also Moroni spake to the Prophet Joseph Smith, declaring that he should come before the ushering in of the great and dreadful day of the Lord—were also there.
47 The Prophet Elijah was to plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to their fathers,
48 Foreshadowing the great work to be done in the temples of the Lord in the dispensation of the fulness of times, for the redemption of the dead, and the sealing of the children to their parents, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse and utterly wasted at his coming.
49 All these and many more, even the prophets who dwelt among the Nephites and testified of the coming of the Son of God, mingled in the vast assembly and waited for their deliverance,
50 For the dead had looked upon the long absence of their spirits from their bodies as a bondage.
51 These the Lord taught, and gave them power to come forth, after his resurrection from the dead, to enter into his Father’s kingdom, there to be crowned with immortality and eternal life,
52 And continue thenceforth their labor as had been promised by the Lord, and be partakers of all blessings which were held in reserve for them that love him.
53 The Prophet Joseph Smith, and my father, Hyrum Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, and other choice spirits who were reserved to come forth in the fulness of times to take part in laying the foundations of the great latter-day work,
54 Including the building of the temples and the performance of ordinances therein for the redemption of the dead, were also in the spirit world.
55 I observed that they were also among the noble and great ones who were chosen in the beginning to be rulers in the Church of God.
56 Even before they were born, they, with many others, received their first lessons in the world of spirits and were prepared to come forth in the due time of the Lord to labor in his vineyard for the salvation of the souls of men.
57 I beheld that the faithful elders of this dispensation, when they depart from mortal life, continue their labors in the preaching of the gospel of repentance and redemption, through the sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son of God, among those who are in darkness and under the bondage of sin in the great world of the spirits of the dead.
58 The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God,
59 And after they have paid the penalty of their transgressions, and are washed clean, shall receive a reward according to their works, for they are heirs of salvation.
60 Thus was the vision of the redemption of the dead revealed to me, and I bear record, and I know that this record is true, through the blessing of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, even so. Amen.
From this we have learned that Jesus went and organized the faithful dead to go among the unfaithful dead and preach the gospel to the spirits of the dead. Thus even the spirits of the dead have the opportunity to still repent and receive salvation. However, they still need to receive the saving ordinances of the gospel which can only be received in the flesh. Thus we are allowed to be baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost by proxy for the dead and preform all necessary saving ordinances for the dead in our temples. Eventually throughout the millennial era when Christ reigns upon the earth, all the dead will have the opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ and have their ordinances performed and either accept or reject it. The fairness of God to make sure all have the opportunity to hear the gospel and receive the saving ordinances brings great joy to the hearts of all those who have ever lived upon this earth. One such ordinance that can also be performed for the dead in our temples is the sealing power to bind here on earth and have it be bound in heaven. Marriage can also be sealed for those who were not sealed with an eternal marriage.
Luke 23:43
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Jesus tells him that today he would be with him in paradise. Jesus did not go to heaven on that day but went to preach to the spirits that were dead. One of the places of the dead spirits was known as paradise. This is where the faithful dead wait for a glorious resurrection. But the scriptures also speak of Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison. So another place of the dead spirits is spirit prison.
1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Jesus did not ascend to heaven until after he was resurrected. While his body lay in the tomb, he went and preached to the spirits of the dead.
1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
In these latter-days our prophet Joseph F. Smith sought through prayer to understand these things and received the following revelation which is part of our canon of scripture:
Doctrine and Covenants 138
Section 138
A vision given to President Joseph F. Smith in Salt Lake City, Utah, on October 3, 1918. In his opening address at the 89th Semiannual General Conference of the Church, on October 4, 1918, President Smith declared that he had received several divine communications during the previous months. One of these, concerning the Savior’s visit to the spirits of the dead while His body was in the tomb, President Smith had received the previous day. It was written immediately following the close of the conference. On October 31, 1918, it was submitted to the counselors in the First Presidency, the Council of the Twelve, and the Patriarch, and it was unanimously accepted by them.
1–10, President Joseph F. Smith ponders upon the writings of Peter and our Lord’s visit to the spirit world; 11–24, President Smith sees the righteous dead assembled in paradise and Christ’s ministry among them; 25–37, He sees how the preaching of the gospel was organized among the spirits; 38–52, He sees Adam, Eve, and many of the holy prophets in the spirit world who considered their spirit state before their resurrection as a bondage; 53–60, The righteous dead of this day continue their labors in the world of spirits.
1 On the third of October, in the year nineteen hundred and eighteen, I sat in my room pondering over the scriptures;
2 And reflecting upon the great atoning sacrifice that was made by the Son of God, for the redemption of the world;
3 And the great and wonderful love made manifest by the Father and the Son in the coming of the Redeemer into the world;
4 That through his atonement, and by obedience to the principles of the gospel, mankind might be saved.
5 While I was thus engaged, my mind reverted to the writings of the apostle Peter, to the primitive saints scattered abroad throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, and other parts of Asia, where the gospel had been preached after the crucifixion of the Lord.
6 I opened the Bible and read the third and fourth chapters of the first epistle of Peter, and as I read I was greatly impressed, more than I had ever been before, with the following passages:
7 “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
8 “By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
9 “Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” (1 Peter 3:18–20.)
10 “For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1 Peter 4:6.)
11 As I pondered over these things which are written, the eyes of my understanding were opened, and the Spirit of the Lord rested upon me, and I saw the hosts of the dead, both small and great.
12 And there were gathered together in one place an innumerable company of the spirits of the just, who had been faithful in the testimony of Jesus while they lived in mortality;
13 And who had offered sacrifice in the similitude of the great sacrifice of the Son of God, and had suffered tribulation in their Redeemer’s name.
14 All these had departed the mortal life, firm in the hope of a glorious resurrection, through the grace of God the Father and his Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
15 I beheld that they were filled with joy and gladness, and were rejoicing together because the day of their deliverance was at hand.
16 They were assembled awaiting the advent of the Son of God into the spirit world, to declare their redemption from the bands of death.
17 Their sleeping dust was to be restored unto its perfect frame, bone to his bone, and the sinews and the flesh upon them, the spirit and the body to be united never again to be divided, that they might receive a fulness of joy.
18 While this vast multitude waited and conversed, rejoicing in the hour of their deliverance from the chains of death, the Son of God appeared, declaring liberty to the captives who had been faithful;
19 And there he preached to them the everlasting gospel, the doctrine of the resurrection and the redemption of mankind from the fall, and from individual sins on conditions of repentance.
20 But unto the wicked he did not go, and among the ungodly and the unrepentant who had defiled themselves while in the flesh, his voice was not raised;
21 Neither did the rebellious who rejected the testimonies and the warnings of the ancient prophets behold his presence, nor look upon his face.
22 Where these were, darkness reigned, but among the righteous there was peace;
23 And the saints rejoiced in their redemption, and bowed the knee and acknowledged the Son of God as their Redeemer and Deliverer from death and the chains of hell.
24 Their countenances shone, and the radiance from the presence of the Lord rested upon them, and they sang praises unto his holy name.
25 I marveled, for I understood that the Savior spent about three years in his ministry among the Jews and those of the house of Israel, endeavoring to teach them the everlasting gospel and call them unto repentance;
26 And yet, notwithstanding his mighty works, and miracles, and proclamation of the truth, in great power and authority, there were but few who hearkened to his voice, and rejoiced in his presence, and received salvation at his hands.
27 But his ministry among those who were dead was limited to the brief time intervening between the crucifixion and his resurrection;
28 And I wondered at the words of Peter—wherein he said that the Son of God preached unto the spirits in prison, who sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah—and how it was possible for him to preach to those spirits and perform the necessary labor among them in so short a time.
29 And as I wondered, my eyes were opened, and my understanding quickened, and I perceived that the Lord went not in person among the wicked and the disobedient who had rejected the truth, to teach them;
30 But behold, from among the righteous, he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to all the spirits of men; and thus was the gospel preached to the dead.
31 And the chosen messengers went forth to declare the acceptable day of the Lord and proclaim liberty to the captives who were bound, even unto all who would repent of their sins and receive the gospel.
32 Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, or in transgression, having rejected the prophets.
33 These were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands,
34 And all other principles of the gospel that were necessary for them to know in order to qualify themselves that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
35 And so it was made known among the dead, both small and great, the unrighteous as well as the faithful, that redemption had been wrought through the sacrifice of the Son of God upon the cross.
36 Thus was it made known that our Redeemer spent his time during his sojourn in the world of spirits, instructing and preparing the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh;
37 That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words.
38 Among the great and mighty ones who were assembled in this vast congregation of the righteous were Father Adam, the Ancient of Days and father of all,
39 And our glorious Mother Eve, with many of her faithful daughters who had lived through the ages and worshiped the true and living God.
40 Abel, the first martyr, was there, and his brother Seth, one of the mighty ones, who was in the express image of his father, Adam.
41 Noah, who gave warning of the flood; Shem, the great high priest; Abraham, the father of the faithful; Isaac, Jacob, and Moses, the great law-giver of Israel;
42 And Isaiah, who declared by prophecy that the Redeemer was anointed to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that were bound, were also there.
43 Moreover, Ezekiel, who was shown in vision the great valley of dry bones, which were to be clothed upon with flesh, to come forth again in the resurrection of the dead, living souls;
44 Daniel, who foresaw and foretold the establishment of the kingdom of God in the latter days, never again to be destroyed nor given to other people;
45 Elias, who was with Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration;
46 And Malachi, the prophet who testified of the coming of Elijah—of whom also Moroni spake to the Prophet Joseph Smith, declaring that he should come before the ushering in of the great and dreadful day of the Lord—were also there.
47 The Prophet Elijah was to plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to their fathers,
48 Foreshadowing the great work to be done in the temples of the Lord in the dispensation of the fulness of times, for the redemption of the dead, and the sealing of the children to their parents, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse and utterly wasted at his coming.
49 All these and many more, even the prophets who dwelt among the Nephites and testified of the coming of the Son of God, mingled in the vast assembly and waited for their deliverance,
50 For the dead had looked upon the long absence of their spirits from their bodies as a bondage.
51 These the Lord taught, and gave them power to come forth, after his resurrection from the dead, to enter into his Father’s kingdom, there to be crowned with immortality and eternal life,
52 And continue thenceforth their labor as had been promised by the Lord, and be partakers of all blessings which were held in reserve for them that love him.
53 The Prophet Joseph Smith, and my father, Hyrum Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, and other choice spirits who were reserved to come forth in the fulness of times to take part in laying the foundations of the great latter-day work,
54 Including the building of the temples and the performance of ordinances therein for the redemption of the dead, were also in the spirit world.
55 I observed that they were also among the noble and great ones who were chosen in the beginning to be rulers in the Church of God.
56 Even before they were born, they, with many others, received their first lessons in the world of spirits and were prepared to come forth in the due time of the Lord to labor in his vineyard for the salvation of the souls of men.
57 I beheld that the faithful elders of this dispensation, when they depart from mortal life, continue their labors in the preaching of the gospel of repentance and redemption, through the sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son of God, among those who are in darkness and under the bondage of sin in the great world of the spirits of the dead.
58 The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God,
59 And after they have paid the penalty of their transgressions, and are washed clean, shall receive a reward according to their works, for they are heirs of salvation.
60 Thus was the vision of the redemption of the dead revealed to me, and I bear record, and I know that this record is true, through the blessing of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, even so. Amen.
From this we have learned that Jesus went and organized the faithful dead to go among the unfaithful dead and preach the gospel to the spirits of the dead. Thus even the spirits of the dead have the opportunity to still repent and receive salvation. However, they still need to receive the saving ordinances of the gospel which can only be received in the flesh. Thus we are allowed to be baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost by proxy for the dead and preform all necessary saving ordinances for the dead in our temples. Eventually throughout the millennial era when Christ reigns upon the earth, all the dead will have the opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ and have their ordinances performed and either accept or reject it. The fairness of God to make sure all have the opportunity to hear the gospel and receive the saving ordinances brings great joy to the hearts of all those who have ever lived upon this earth. One such ordinance that can also be performed for the dead in our temples is the sealing power to bind here on earth and have it be bound in heaven. Marriage can also be sealed for those who were not sealed with an eternal marriage.
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Of course JESUS lied to the thief on the cross........He (Jesus) went to heaven while the thief went to Hades?
The Holy Scriptures are lying, your cult cannot possibly misrepresent the scriptures in order to mold its doctrine in order to agree with the scriptures. Jesus declared, "Truly, I say to you (the thief) TODAY I will be with you in paradise........" -- Luke 23:33 Jesus never mentioned Heaven....but Peter explained just where the Christ went while His body was in the tomb. "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for unrighteous, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive IN THE SPIRIT, in which (THE SPIRIT) He went and proclaimed (taught, instructed, preached.......in the Koine Greek) TO THE SPIRITS IN PRISON -- 1 Peter 3: 18-19 (Hades the realm of the dead -- Rev. 20:14 This is known as the 2nd death).
Clearly Hades is the realm of the dead that are imprisoned until judgment day
.........in order for there to be a 2nd death, there must be a 1st death (everyone dies (Heb. 9:27.........once.... the 1st is a physical death, just like Jesus died physically, He alone was the 1st to conquer death, then comes the 2nd death.....Hell for those who did not obey along with their master Satan. (Rev. 20)
Jesus did not ascend into Heaven until 40 days after His resurrection, Acts 1:3 You lied when you "opined" new scripture into existence that has never existed, Jesus never went to Heaven at death, His spirit went to Hades to preach to those in prison awaiting judgment day. (Luke 16)
).........He did not ascend into Heaven at death.........His spirit went to Hades to preach to the dead. (Luke 16) while His flesh remained in the tomb, Jesus did not arise to walk among the Apostles for 40 days until the 3rd day after His physical death. When He came out of the tomb He was flesh and blood not a spirit (Luke 24:39).
When Jesus comes back to earth from Heaven it will not be to establish a kingdom, but to Judge the quick and the dead, (game over, judgment day) as He will never place a foot on the earth ever again after His ascension into Heaven (Acts 1:3).........when He comes back to gather His bride (the church/kingdom of Christ) He will meet them in the SKY.......not on earth. "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds -- 1 Thess 4:17 (Jesus will come back in the same manner in which He left earth, in the clouds -- Acts 1) Jesus can never rule over a physical kingdom on earth.......He sets as the King of Kings in Heaven on a spiritual throne of David (Acts 2). This kingdom has always rested in a spiritual place.....within the heart of those who faithfully believe (Luke 17:21)
Jesus comes back from Heaven to judge the quick and the dead. When Jesus makes an appearance again, it will be, "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick(living) and the dead at His appearance and His kingdom." -- 2 Tim. 4:1
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