Zone1 On the fall of Lucifer

Without the intervention of God our character will continue to decline to the point of self-destruction. Many develop good character, but most don't, not enough to save us from ourselves.

Yes, God put us into a fallen world and then sent his son, Jesus, to lead us to him. All we have to do is faithfully follow Jesus and then, in the afterlife, Jesus will free us from the enslavement of sin and then we will be perfect.
 
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Yes, God put us into a fallen world and then sent his son, Jesus, to lead us to him. All we have to do is faithfully follow Jesus and then, in the afterlife, Jesus will free us from the enslavement of sin and then we will be perfect.
Since the deity of sin implies being subject to the gravity of the moon , apparently such claims are expecting an star fleet of extraterrestrials to pluck the hue mammon ape off of planet earth and fly them around in the heavens , though that does not cure mortality .
 
He basically came out in open rebellion against God the Father, Jesus Christ and all who followed them. He even got 1/3 of the hosts of heaven to take his side and rebel against God. By doing this, he was cast out of heaven by the power of the God.
So, pushed.
 
So, pushed.

Most Christians believe that Lucifer and some of the other angels chose to rebel against God. I do not share that belief. I believe that God transformed Lucifer and the other "fallen" angels into what they are now. This is all part of his grand plan.

Evidence for my position is the Book of Job as well as Revelation, when Satan is released by God back into our world..

Most Christian leaders and hence most Christians lack this understanding.
 
Most Christians believe that Lucifer and some of the other angels chose to rebel against God. I do not share that belief. I believe that God transformed Lucifer and the other "fallen" angels into what they are now. This is all part of his grand plan.

Evidence for my position is the Book of Job as well as Revelation, when Satan is released by God back into our world..

Most Christian leaders and hence most Christians lack this understanding.
Actually, the earth is still Satan's realm, the god of this world. Jesus the Christ has yet to replace him.
 
There is no forgiveness for Lucifer or those who followed him in the war in heaven. When Lucifer fell from heaven his name was changed to Satan and Perdition. Those who followed Lucifer in the war in heaven became sons of Perdition. In this life, if a man or woman gains a personal knowledge of God to the point of knowing that God is real and truly exists beyond faith and belief, and then turns against God, then this is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost and is the unforgivable sin. It is neither forgiven in this world nor in the world to come. They then become sons or daughters of Perdition.

Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Doctrine and Covenants 76:30-48
30 And we saw a vision of the sufferings of those with whom he made war and overcame, for thus came the voice of the Lord unto us:
31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power—
32 They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had been better for them never to have been born;
33 For they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with the devil and his angels in eternity;
34 Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come—
35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame.
36 These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels—
37 And the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power;
38 Yea, verily, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of the Lord, after the sufferings of his wrath.
39 For all the rest shall be brought forth by the resurrection of the dead, through the triumph and the glory of the Lamb, who was slain, who was in the bosom of the Father before the worlds were made.
40 And this is the gospel, the glad tidings, which the voice out of the heavens bore record unto us—
41 That he came into the world, even Jesus, to be crucified for the world, and to bear the sins of the world, and to sanctify the world, and to cleanse it from all unrighteousness;
42 That through him all might be saved whom the Father had put into his power and made by him;
43 Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him.
44 Wherefore, he saves all except them—they shall go away into everlasting punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their torment—
45 And the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows;
46 Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man, except to them who are made partakers thereof;
47 Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway shut it up again;
48 Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained unto this condemnation.

Sons of Perdition

The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. Those in this second group will be resurrected from the dead but will not be redeemed from the second (spiritual) death and cannot dwell in a kingdom of glory (D&C 88:32, 35).

 
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Actually, the earth is still Satan's realm, the god of this world. Jesus the Christ has yet to replace him.
Claim " I am the king of england ! " and go straight to the mental health facility , yet claim stupid shit like " lucifer is real " and those clowns get to vote on public policy .
 
" Invited To Dinner Could Not Remember How To Get There "

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Claim " I am the king of england ! " and go straight to the mental health facility , yet claim stupid shit like " lucifer is real " and those clowns get to vote on public policy .
God's law is pretty good public policy. :bowdown:
 
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God's law is pretty good public policy. :bowdown:
How about you stop pretending to know and have your goad speak for itself ?

The success criteria of nature is survival and that is not going to change .

So stop confusing the literal meaning of an afterlife with the metaphorical means of conjecture by which to achieve one .
 
So, pushed.
I would say that his being forced out of heaven was a consequence of his open rebellion against the Father. So yes, he was pushed (cast out) but only after coming out in open rebellion against the Father.
 
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