Israel Threatening Iran

[Sunni Man]

Then the west has a right to stop the gang of scum that controls the Iranian nation by any means necessary.

It is none of our business if Iran has the bomb.

 

[NumberFour]

gosh.. it's so hard for a zionist to look for an excuse to invade poland.. er, iran.

I don't want Iran to be invaded. I want the Iranian nation to shake off the revolutionary regime.

It is none of our business if Iran has the bomb.

It definitely is, given what they've been doing for the last 30 years.

 

[Sunni Man]

Iran hasn't invaded anyone for almost 300 years

And they are NO threat to the United States.

 

[NumberFour]

Iran hasn't invaded anyone for almost 300 years

And they are NO threat to the United States.

You are used to see structured armies marching on an enemy. In that sense, Iran has not invaded any country in "almost 300 years" (actually they did in the 80s --> into Iraq... in the course of the war).

Their modus operandi is different. Setting up the Lebanese Hizballah, the Iraqi Mahdi army, having spies and covert agents in countries all over the gulf who have Shiite populations who are engaged in subversive activities, funding and training terrorist groups in different countries... these are the ways modern assymetric war is waged.

 

[Sunni Man]

If Iran can defeat the Israelie government and rid the world of the Zionist fascists.

Iran will be doing the whole world a great favor!!

 

[cbi0090]

If Iran can defeat the Israelie government and rid the world of the Zionist fascists.

Iran will be doing the whole world a great favor!!

You just blew everything you previously said to hell. Your a bigot of the worst kind and the world would be better off without you and your kind, thank you very much.

 

[Shogun]

You belong to a very small group of people on earth who still does not believe that Iran is after the bomb. Or maybe (and that's what I think about you) you do believe Iran's after the bomb, and you'd really like the mullah regime to get their hands on it.



Given the historic bullshit nature of jewish media who will report anything it needs to in order to goad the US into attacking Iran, I think I'll sit and laugh about your take on the demographics.

lemme guess.. is this where you insist that Im just looking for iran to kill some jews? WOW. Haven't heard THAT cry wolf excuse before, dude. Jeez... what, do they press you all from the same fucking master file these days?

Face it. No one cares that you cry wolf when we all know damn well that you'd claim the sky is green if you thought it would get a western nation to pounce on Iran.

 

[Shogun]

You just blew everything you previously said to hell. Your a bigot of the worst kind and the world would be better off without you and your kind, thank you very much.

funny though.. We could take his specific words and they would all of a sudden be heroic if they came from a zionist jew talking about muslim iran..


no, really.. funny how that works.. It's probably not obvious what kind of double standard applies.. South Africa indeed.

 

[Sunni Man]

You just blew everything you previously said to hell. Your a bigot of the worst kind and the world would be better off without you and your kind, thank you very much.

If you noticed. I was only refering to the Zionist leadership of Israel that needs to be put out of power.

I have nothing against the Jewish people and wish them no harm.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Ahmedinejad was "elected" with less than 20% voter turnout. Of those 20%, if he was elected with 70% of the vote (that's pretty much a landslide), that means only %14 of Iran's eligible voters wanted him. That was BEFORE he made a shitty economy even worse, and embarrassed Iran internationally, and managed to isolate it with his nuclear weapons ambitions.

How many of those 14% do you think still support him?

Is there a source for that?? I'm curious because it's a very good point- only 14% of the total electorate voted for the guy? I had heard before that he wasn't very popular, but that says a lot. It also goes well to point out that he doesn't run the show in Iran anyway- the Supreme Leader is the... uh, supreme leader of Iran, whose position is always conveniently absent from the media. He's stated before in regards to Israel that he backs the peace proposal of the Arab Conference of 2002, which "recognizes" Israel upon the condition of a free and independent, pre-1967 borders Palestine.

As for the recent Israeli threats against Iran, this article was pretty illuminating:

According to the Guardian’s sources, the talks were so sensitive that they were held in private, with no note-takers in attendance. They said that Olmert “took it [the refusal of a US green light] as where they were at the moment, and that the US position was unlikely to change as long as Bush was in office.”

Bush’s refusal to sanction an attack was apparently based on several factors. Firstly, the US was concerned that such an attack would provoke Iran to retaliate, which would probably include a wave of attacks on US military and contract personnel in Iraq, and Afghanistan and US shipping in the Gulf. Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government, installed by the US, retains close ties with and is dependent upon Tehran.

Secondly, it was unlikely that an Israeli air raid—even with dozens of aircraft—would succeed in knocking out Iran’s nuclear facilities, which are widely dispersed in fortified underground locations throughout the country.

Furthermore, the shortest route to Natanz, Iran’s uranium enrichment plant, is more than 700 miles from Israel and would entail flying over Iraq’s airspace, which is controlled by the US. So it would be impossible for Israel to launch such an attack without explicit US approval.

This would have left the US unable to officially deny knowledge of the attack. Iran would have every reason to assume that Bush had concurred with such an act of war, and to retaliate.

Iran has repeatedly said it would defend itself against any attacks on its nuclear facilities, which it maintains are for civilian purposes only. An air strike would precipitate a full-scale war, going far beyond Iran, underlining Washington’s increasing isolation in the region. It would precipitate attacks by Hezbollah on Israel and even terrorist attacks within the US itself. [...]

Israel’s plans to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities in fact continued, despite the fact that 16 US intelligence agencies had issued a long delayed National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) last December concluding that Tehran had ended any nuclear weapons program in 2003.

The Israeli political and military establishment, which regards Iran as its main rival in the region, rejected the NIE’s assessment and has repeatedly sought assurances that the Bush administration would “deal with” Tehran before leaving office. [...]

Even after Bush’s apparent veto, verbal threats and speculation of imminent air strikes against Iran have continued. In June, Israel carried out a long-range exercise over the eastern Mediterranean involving more than 100 F-15 and F-16 fighter jets, refuelling planes and rescue helicopters. Citing unnamed sources, the New York Times reported that the operation was a dry run for an attack on Iran.

Shaul Mofaz, deputy prime minister and a former defence minister, warned a few weeks later that a unilateral attack against Iran was “unavoidable” as international sanctions had been ineffective. [...]

While Bush refused to give Israel the nod to attack Iran last May, judging that it would be too precipitous a step, the military build-up in the region makes clear that such an attack is far from being off the agenda permanently. Indeed, elements within the Bush administration might still contemplate an unprovoked attack on Iran before the presidential election in November.

Israel's plan to attack Iran confirmed

 

[NumberFour]

Is there a source for that?? I'm curious because it's a very good point- only 14% of the total electorate voted for the guy? I had heard before that he wasn't very popular, but that says a lot. It also goes well to point out that he doesn't run the show in Iran anyway- the Supreme Leader is the... uh, supreme leader of Iran, whose position is always conveniently absent from the media. He's stated before in regards to Israel that he backs the peace proposal of the Arab Conference of 2002, which "recognizes" Israel upon the condition of a free and independent, pre-1967 borders Palestine.

As for the recent Israeli threats against Iran, this article was pretty illuminating:



Israel's plan to attack Iran confirmed

I think I was wrong about the 14%.
MEMRI: Inquiry and Analysis Series - No. 229

There was a 15% voter turnout for the Teheran mayorship race in which Ahmedinejad was elected (2003).

But the 2005 presidential vote also had low voter turnout -- 27.5 million out of over 65 million (approximately 60% of eligible voters.) That is because of several reasons:

* over 2000 reformist candidates were disqualified from elections by Khamenei for not meeting some requirements -- their supporters stayed home.

* the previous president, Khatami, a reformer, was undermined by Khamenei (the real boss) at every turn, and was unable to execute his policy and fulfill his election promises. Liberal minded people felt like their vote did not count, and thus stayed home on election day since they felt there would be no point.

* the guy who ran against Ahmedinejad was more liberal than Ahmedinejad, but is still very very conservative. For example, he has an international arrest warrant issued against him for his involvement of ordering and financing the bombing of a community center in Argentina in 1994. Not much choice there.

* there are some signs of electoral fraud (read the MEMRI link above).

* there was an organized boycott by the masses in response to the disqualification of the liberal candidates and Khatami's figurative castration by Khamenei, hoping that it would discredit the "elections" and somehow lead to concessions from the revolutionary regime. What they got as a result was Ahmedinejad.

 

[DiveCon]

I think I was wrong about the 14%.
MEMRI: Inquiry and Analysis Series - No. 229

There was a 15% voter turnout for the Teheran mayorship race in which Ahmedinejad was elected (2003).

But the 2005 presidential vote also had low voter turnout -- 27.5 million out of over 65 million (approximately 60% of eligible voters.) That is because of several reasons:

* over 2000 reformist candidates were disqualified from elections by Khamenei for not meeting some requirements -- their supporters stayed home.

* the previous president, Khatami, a reformer, was undermined by Khamenei (the real boss) at every turn, and was unable to execute his policy and fulfill his election promises. Liberal minded people felt like their vote did not count, and thus stayed home on election day since they felt there would be no point.

* the guy who ran against Ahmedinejad was more liberal than Ahmedinejad, but is still very very conservative. For example, he has an international arrest warrant issued against him for his involvement of ordering and financing the bombing of a community center in Argentina in 1994. Not much choice there.

* there are some signs of electoral fraud (read the MEMRI link above).

* there was an organized boycott by the masses in response to the disqualification of the liberal candidates and Khatami's figurative castration by Khamenei, hoping that it would discredit the "elections" and somehow lead to concessions from the revolutionary regime. What they got as a result was Ahmedinejad.

well, THAT is considered GOOD turnout here in the USA

 

[NumberFour]

well, THAT [60% voter turnout] is considered GOOD turnout here in the USA

You're right.

But I have a strong feeling that there was some serious data manipulation by the mullahs.

 

[Sunni Man]

But I have a strong feeling that there was some serious data manipulation by the mullahs.

Kind of like the Bush / Gore 2000 presidentual election fraud?

 

[Shogun]

DATA MANIPULATION? Gosh, that charge just doesn't carry much weight this side of the last pali election which was determined by which candidate was acceptable to israel.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

I think I was wrong about the 14%.
MEMRI: Inquiry and Analysis Series - No. 229

There was a 15% voter turnout for the Teheran mayorship race in which Ahmedinejad was elected (2003).

But the 2005 presidential vote also had low voter turnout -- 27.5 million out of over 65 million (approximately 60% of eligible voters.) That is because of several reasons:

* over 2000 reformist candidates were disqualified from elections by Khamenei for not meeting some requirements -- their supporters stayed home.

* the previous president, Khatami, a reformer, was undermined by Khamenei (the real boss) at every turn, and was unable to execute his policy and fulfill his election promises. Liberal minded people felt like their vote did not count, and thus stayed home on election day since they felt there would be no point.

* the guy who ran against Ahmedinejad was more liberal than Ahmedinejad, but is still very very conservative. For example, he has an international arrest warrant issued against him for his involvement of ordering and financing the bombing of a community center in Argentina in 1994. Not much choice there.

* there are some signs of electoral fraud (read the MEMRI link above).

* there was an organized boycott by the masses in response to the disqualification of the liberal candidates and Khatami's figurative castration by Khamenei, hoping that it would discredit the "elections" and somehow lead to concessions from the revolutionary regime. What they got as a result was Ahmedinejad.

None of it very surprising. It's not a secret that Iran's "democracy" is centrally planned.

But one thing: 27.5 million out of 65 million is about 42%, so... Do you mean that about 60 percent of eligible voters didn't vote?

 

[NumberFour]

In addition to the "data manipulation" (electoral fraud) consider this:

• Ahmedinejad promised to tackle poverty. Iran's got plenty of poor people due to the special way the revolutionary regime handles the economy.
• He is the first president who is not an ayat'allah (ayatollah).

He might have fooled people who don't know him, who live outside of Teheran, into believing he's less radical. This was all before Iran's nuclear program and his own lunacy were exposed.

 

[NumberFour]

None of it very surprising. It's not a secret that Iran's "democracy" is centrally planned.

But one thing: 27.5 million out of 65 million is about 42%, so... Do you mean that about 60 percent of eligible voters didn't vote?

No... 60% of eligible voters (which is less than 65 mil) = 27.5 mil.

 

[Sunni Man]

In addition to the "data manipulation" (electoral fraud) consider this:

• Ahmedinejad promised to tackle poverty. Iran's got plenty of poor people due to the special way the revolutionary regime handles the economy.

• 
  That's funny!!
  
  Aren't we in the middle of the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression?
  
  Isn't the America President begging for 700 Billion dollar bail out because the U.S. economy is in the toilet?
  
  And you want to point the finger at Iran and their leadership about their economy!!!!

 

[cbi0090]

If you noticed. I was only refering to the Zionist leadership of Israel that needs to be put out of power.

I have nothing against the Jewish people and wish them no harm.

And the religious leaders of Iran are any better?? Have you ever picked up a history book? Theocracy is the worst form of government ever, I don't care where you apply it...Islam, Christianity, Judism, and so on. You think Zionists are extreme? Look at Iran. Both sides are morons, but at least Isreal has some form of democratic government. Iran on the other hand is operating under some medieval theocratic kingship, like Europe did under the Pope hundreds of years ago. Why do you think they marched off to crusade in the middle east in those times? Cause they were idiots, following some old farts idea of Gods command. Only that took place hundreds of years ago, like when we thought the world was flat. Iran is doing the same thing today and they aren't even being imaginative about it. Their just picking up the same ole line Hitler gave them 50 years ago.