"It is Their Right, It is Their Duty, To Throw Off Such Government..."

[Little-Acorn]

The usual malarkey from the usual leftists. The Constitution simply set up a new government for the nation. It did not challenge the establishment of that nation... nor did it repeal any of the statements in previous laws.

Including the statements I pointed out.

Flat fact: the Declaration of Independence is not law.

You have to feel sorry for the poor leftist fanatics. All they can do is repeat the same lie again and again, hoping and praying the their mentor Josef Goebbels was right and that it will somehow become the truth.

Maybe if they add the words "Flat fact" to their lie, it will suddenly change it to the truth?

The Declaration of Independence has been law ever since 1776, and no laws or documents passed since, have contained any language repealing it, no matter how much the poor leftist fanatics wish it they had.

Including its language stating that it is both the right AND DUTY of citizens to overthrow an oppressive government. That's the part that really worries the poor leftist fanatics. Deep down, they know exactly who the Founders were talking about.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The usual malarkey from the usual leftists. The Constitution simply set up a new government for the nation. It did not challenge the establishment of that nation... nor did it repeal any of the statements in previous laws.

Including the statements I pointed out.

Flat fact: the Declaration of Independence is not law.

You have to feel sorry for the poor leftist fanatics. All they can do is repeat the same lie again and again, hoping and praying the their mentor Josef Goebbels was right and that it will somehow become the truth.

Maybe if they add the words "Flat fact" to their lie, it will suddenly change it to the truth?

The Declaration of Independence has been law ever since 1776, and no laws or documents passed since, have contained any language repealing it, no matter how much the poor leftist fanatics wish it they had.

Including its language stating that it is both the right AND DUTY of citizens to overthrow an oppressive government. That's the part that really worries the poor leftist fanatics. Deep down, they know exactly who the Founders were talking about.

Where does the Declaration of Independence state that it is law?

Where does the Constitution recognize it as a law?

This rightwing progressive statism by LittleAcorn is appalling.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The usual malarkey from the usual leftists. The Constitution simply set up a new government for the nation. It did not challenge the establishment of that nation... nor did it repeal any of the statements in previous laws.

Including the statements I pointed out.

Flat fact: the Declaration of Independence is not law.

You have to feel sorry for the poor leftist fanatics. All they can do is repeat the same lie again and again, hoping and praying the their mentor Josef Goebbels was right and that it will somehow become the truth.

Maybe if they add the words "Flat fact" to their lie, it will suddenly change it to the truth?

The Declaration of Independence has been law ever since 1776, and no laws or documents passed since, have contained any language repealing it, no matter how much the poor leftist fanatics wish it they had.

Including its language stating that it is both the right AND DUTY of citizens to overthrow an oppressive government. That's the part that really worries the poor leftist fanatics. Deep down, they know exactly who the Founders were talking about.

You should try actually reading the Constitution:

Article VI

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Among other things, that article voids any so-called "laws" that you might think are found the Declaration of Independence,

if any such 'laws' are contrary to the Constitution.

The right of the People to by force of arms overthrow the government - if you are claiming that as a D of I 'law',

is quite obviously 'to the contrary' of the Constitution and was therefore rendered void by the ratification of the Constitution.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Flat fact: the Declaration of Independence is not law.

Flat fact: the Constitution is the charter for American governance.

Wrong: The Declaration of Independence is, at the very least, a legal document that nullifies the reign of the English Crown over the original 13 colonies. That is seriously is "at the very least."

Flat Fact: The Ninth Amendment preserves all those rights enshrined in the Declaration of Independence.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

This Amendment anchors our Constitution to the idea of Popular Sovereignty, the champion philosophy of the Enlightenment.

Furthermore, Article V of the Constitution re-affirms this idea on the STATE level:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Thus if 2/3 of the States called for a Constitutional Convention, ignoring Congress altogether, in order to revise or replace the Constitution entirely (abolishing the federal government), and the federal government attempted to intervene by either using force against the Convention, or plainly ignoring the new Constitution, the States themselves could activate their Militias (national guard and local police forces and any willing armed citizens) and violently overthrow the federal government --- legally.

I bet that scares the shit out of you.

 

[zeke]

Flat fact: the Declaration of Independence is not law.

Flat fact: the Constitution is the charter for American governance.

Wrong: The Declaration of Independence is, at the very least, a legal document that nullifies the reign of the English Crown over the original 13 colonies. That is seriously is "at the very least."

Flat Fact: The Ninth Amendment preserves all those rights enshrined in the Declaration of Independence.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

This Amendment anchors our Constitution to the idea of Popular Sovereignty, the champion philosophy of the Enlightenment.

Furthermore, Article V of the Constitution re-affirms this idea on the STATE level:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Thus if 2/3 of the States called for a Constitutional Convention, ignoring Congress altogether, in order to revise or replace the Constitution entirely (abolishing the federal government), and the federal government attempted to intervene by either using force against the Convention, or plainly ignoring the new Constitution, the States themselves could activate their Militias (national guard and local police forces and any willing armed citizens) and violently overthrow the federal government --- legally.

I bet that scares the shit out of you.

Dude, the only thing that scares the shit outta me is that YOU probably have guns. That is a scary idea. Everything else; Ima cool with.

But will the revolution be televised? I heard that it wouldn't. And you know how summer reruns are.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Flat fact: the Declaration of Independence is not law.

Flat fact: the Constitution is the charter for American governance.

Wrong: The Declaration of Independence is, at the very least, a legal document that nullifies the reign of the English Crown over the original 13 colonies. That is seriously is "at the very least."

Flat Fact: The Ninth Amendment preserves all those rights enshrined in the Declaration of Independence.



This Amendment anchors our Constitution to the idea of Popular Sovereignty, the champion philosophy of the Enlightenment.

Furthermore, Article V of the Constitution re-affirms this idea on the STATE level:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Thus if 2/3 of the States called for a Constitutional Convention, ignoring Congress altogether, in order to revise or replace the Constitution entirely (abolishing the federal government), and the federal government attempted to intervene by either using force against the Convention, or plainly ignoring the new Constitution, the States themselves could activate their Militias (national guard and local police forces and any willing armed citizens) and violently overthrow the federal government --- legally.

I bet that scares the shit out of you.

Dude, the only thing that scares the shit outta me is that YOU probably have guns. That is a scary idea. Everything else; Ima cool with.

But will the revolution be televised? I heard that it wouldn't. And you know how summer reruns are.

Great Rebuttal, I resign from this dissertation!



Son, it's people like you that will flee to small communities, like mine, where I maintain the Rule of Law (and jury trials) when shit hits the fan. You won't be so scared of me then. I'll even give you a firearm (from a slain looting thug) and train you how to use it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Everything above testifies to the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land and the Declaration of Indpedence being exactly that, a declaration that America was free.

The DoI is a notice to the world of why we were breaking ties with England.

Only the 2nd Continental Congress could do that.

 

[whitehall]

"Prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established shall not be changed for light and transient causes". The one or two terms allotted to any president is by definition "transient" so put away your torches and pitchforks peasants.

 

[Katzndogz]

Did you ever read the Declaration of Independence beyond the Preamble? It was more than a decaration the we would be independent. It was a Declaration of Intolerable Acts. obama has been far more intolerable than King George.

 

[Clementine]

The far reactionary right is indeed apathetic, toothless kitty cats, who leech and screech, but will do nothing else. There is no patriotic backbone in the bunch at all.

Well, if you would kindly pass that information, which you stated as fact, to Homeland Security, that would be great. Currently, the left acts as if the religious and ex-military are a worse threat than radical Muslims, so it would be nice to set the record straight.

The right is not made up of a bunch of chicken shits, like Ayers, who bomb places instead of debating issues.

 

[Vox]

there is not such thing as treason upon rebellion if the one is successful.

the British monarchy may still have a grudge against our Revolution but since it was successful they can go across the street

same is true for any rebellion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rebellion is not an issue here in the US.

 

[whitehall]

It's nothing new. The pop-group "Fifth Dimension" had a hit in the 60's or 70's that was nothing but lines cherry picked from the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution. It was a sly support for left wing revolution which was popularized by the media and record producers and even H'wood at the time. Bill Ayers and his revolutionary rabble is still a folk hero of the left.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Flat fact: the Declaration of Independence is not law.

Flat fact: the Constitution is the charter for American governance.

Wrong: The Declaration of Independence is, at the very least, a legal document that nullifies the reign of the English Crown over the original 13 colonies. That is seriously is "at the very least."

Flat Fact: The Ninth Amendment preserves all those rights enshrined in the Declaration of Independence.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

This Amendment anchors our Constitution to the idea of Popular Sovereignty, the champion philosophy of the Enlightenment.

Furthermore, Article V of the Constitution re-affirms this idea on the STATE level:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Thus if 2/3 of the States called for a Constitutional Convention, ignoring Congress altogether, in order to revise or replace the Constitution entirely (abolishing the federal government), and the federal government attempted to intervene by either using force against the Convention, or plainly ignoring the new Constitution, the States themselves could activate their Militias (national guard and local police forces and any willing armed citizens) and violently overthrow the federal government --- legally.

I bet that scares the shit out of you.

It scares me that you think that equates to anything the Declaration of Independence did.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"It is Their Right, It is Their Duty, To Throw Off Such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

Jefferson wrote that into the Declaration of Independence. He was describing what people should do if their government kept doing repeated actions that took away freedom; especially when that government made it clear that they were dloing it as part of a deliberate plan.

And the Declaration was voted unanimously into law, on July 4, 1776. And remains legally binding, just as any other laws passed then or since.

Overthrowing an oppressive government, isn't just a good idea. It's the LAW.

The Declaration of Independence is just that, a declaration. It isn't legally binding to anyone.

It firmly and legally establishes the right and DUTY of citizens of the U.S. to overthrow their government if it becomes too oppressive.

The Obamanites are doing their best to pretend that isn't so.

How could the Declaration of Independence 'legally' establish anything?

The colonists were British subjects not US citizens.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The Declaration of Independence is just that, a declaration. It isn't legally binding to anyone.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them."

--Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787

The signers of the Declaration of Independence were fully aware and readily acknowledged that what they were doing was treason.

If treason is lawful, what then?

What on Earth are you talking about? There's a difference between "treason" and "insurrection"

 

[9thIDdoc]

You folks aren't talking about armed insurrection, are you?

They are reminding us of their contempt for the Constitution.

Nope. Just reminding you of the current government's contempt for the Constitution and that politicians should be held accountable for their treason the same as everybody else.

 

[candycorn]

The far reactionary right is indeed apathetic, toothless kitty cats, who leech and screech, but will do nothing else. There is no patriotic backbone in the bunch at all.

Well, if you would kindly pass that information, which you stated as fact, to Homeland Security, that would be great. Currently, the left acts as if the religious and ex-military are a worse threat than radical Muslims, so it would be nice to set the record straight.

The right is not made up of a bunch of chicken shits, like Ayers, who bomb places instead of debating issues.

Eric Rudolph?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"It is Their Right, It is Their Duty, To Throw Off Such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

Jefferson wrote that into the Declaration of Independence. He was describing what people should do if their government kept doing repeated actions that took away freedom; especially when that government made it clear that they were dloing it as part of a deliberate plan.

And the Declaration was voted unanimously into law, on July 4, 1776. And remains legally binding, just as any other laws passed then or since.

Overthrowing an oppressive government, isn't just a good idea. It's the LAW.

The DoI is not ‘law,’ it’s a political document with no legal, binding authority.

Constitutional case law is the law of the land.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Rebellion is not an issue here in the US.

True, given the fact there is also no ‘oppression’ to justify ‘rebellion.’