"It is Their Right, It is Their Duty, To Throw Off Such Government..."

[candycorn]

"It is Their Right, It is Their Duty, To Throw Off Such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

Jefferson wrote that into the Declaration of Independence. He was describing what people should do if their government kept doing repeated actions that took away freedom; especially when that government made it clear that they were dloing it as part of a deliberate plan.

And the Declaration was voted unanimously into law, on July 4, 1776. And remains legally binding, just as any other laws passed then or since.

Overthrowing an oppressive government, isn't just a good idea. It's the LAW.

The DoI is not ‘law,’ it’s a political document with no legal, binding authority.

Constitutional case law is the law of the land.

Its almost as if conservative commentators on here have nevet opened a history book.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Rebellion is not an issue here in the US.

True, given the fact there is also no ‘oppression’ to justify ‘rebellion.’

Seems to me there are a great many people who do not share that opinion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Losing elections is not oppression.

 

[dblack]

Losing elections is not oppression.

No, but unlimited majority rule is. And as the statists and authoritarians succeed in expanding the power of government to interfere in our lives, election losses become more and more of a threat to the minority.

 

[Joe Steel]

Wrong: The Declaration of Independence is, at the very least, a legal document that nullifies the reign of the English Crown over the original 13 colonies. That is seriously is "at the very least."

The Declaration of Independence is a hack manifesto intended to inspire revolution in a population not much inclined toward it. About a third of the population supported revolution, a third were loyalists and a third didn't care one way or the other. The document was written to move the numbers not form the basis of any comprehensive and substantive standard of government.

 

[nodoginnafight]

"It is Their Right, It is Their Duty, To Throw Off Such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

Jefferson wrote that into the Declaration of Independence. He was describing what people should do if their government kept doing repeated actions that took away freedom; especially when that government made it clear that they were dloing it as part of a deliberate plan.

And the Declaration was voted unanimously into law, on July 4, 1776. And remains legally binding, just as any other laws passed then or since.

Overthrowing an oppressive government, isn't just a good idea. It's the LAW.

Don't bother trying to establish a legal basis for an armed insurection against the United States of America.

If you try it and fail you will be killed or you will go to jail. And you will be remembered as a traitor against your country. Just like our founding fathers would have had they failed.

If you succeed then you will be remembered as a hero.

There is nothing in any law books that will change that reality.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Losing elections is not oppression.

No, but unlimited majority rule is. And as the statists and authoritarians succeed in expanding the power of government to interfere in our lives, election losses become more and more of a threat to the minority.

However, "unlimited majority rule is" not now and not in our future.

 

[paulitician]

Our Founding Fathers wanted the real possibility of Revolution to always exist in our Nation. A Government fearing the People is what they wanted. They never wanted the People to fear their Government. And of course now, our Government has gone rogue. They answer to no one. We are living in very dark times for sure.

Our Government is now feared & despised. It's just like the times of the King's-Rule. But i don't think Revolution will happen anytime soon. Americans have grown too fat, lazy, and ignorant. Most can't put their potato chips down and get away from their Idiot Boxes long enough to attempt anything like Revolution. However, the Collapse will happen. This Warfare/Welfare State cannot be sustained. Their crushing the Middle Class. So out of the Collapse, will come Revolution. That's just my opinion anyway. Great post. Thanks.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them."

--Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787

The signers of the Declaration of Independence were fully aware and readily acknowledged that what they were doing was treason.

If treason is lawful, what then?

What on Earth are you talking about? There's a difference between "treason" and "insurrection"

The Constitution defines treason:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

By the time of the signing of the D of I, the colonies had been at war with England for over a year.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You folks aren't talking about armed insurrection, are you?

They are reminding us of their contempt for the Constitution.

Nope. Just reminding you of the current government's contempt for the Constitution and that politicians should be held accountable for their treason the same as everybody else.

You need to read the Constitution at least once, if only to see how it defines treason.

 

[dblack]

Losing elections is not oppression.

No, but unlimited majority rule is. And as the statists and authoritarians succeed in expanding the power of government to interfere in our lives, election losses become more and more of a threat to the minority.

However, "unlimited majority rule is" not now and not in our future.

It's less and less limited. Thus more and more oppressive.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, but unlimited majority rule is. And as the statists and authoritarians succeed in expanding the power of government to interfere in our lives, election losses become more and more of a threat to the minority.

However, "unlimited majority rule is" not now and not in our future.

It's less and less limited. Thus more and more oppressive.

What is: "unlimited majority rule" or governmental intrusiveness?

 

[9thIDdoc]

"... or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

Sure sounds like Obama to me.

 

[tubig]

"It is Their Right, It is Their Duty, To Throw Off Such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

This silliness is immature bravado. It was written at a different time under different conditions and is irrelevant today. All it accomplishes is to permit government to take notice of people foolish enough to believe it, and give foolish people something to vent about when they are being trampled. If you disagree I have two suggestions:

1. Look at the freedoms America has lost since 1980, and
2. Give rebellion a try.

Tim McVey gave rebellion a try. The rebel culture ran like scared rabbits and can't put enough distance between him and them. Government put on a show, ordered 'hate McVey' and all the gunslingers haven't stopped running since.

 

[NYcarbineer]

However, "unlimited majority rule is" not now and not in our future.

It's less and less limited. Thus more and more oppressive.

What is: "unlimited majority rule" or governmental intrusiveness?

Unlimited majority rule would be the ability to pass a background check law despite only having 90% support from the People.

lol

 

[9thIDdoc]

It's less and less limited. Thus more and more oppressive.

What is: "unlimited majority rule" or governmental intrusiveness?

Unlimited majority rule would be the ability to pass a background check law despite only having 90% support from the People.

lol

Conjecture. There has never been any such thing and it is very unlikely there ever will be.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"It is Their Right, It is Their Duty, To Throw Off Such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

Jefferson wrote that into the Declaration of Independence. He was describing what people should do if their government kept doing repeated actions that took away freedom; especially when that government made it clear that they were dloing it as part of a deliberate plan.

And the Declaration was voted unanimously into law, on July 4, 1776. And remains legally binding, just as any other laws passed then or since.

Overthrowing an oppressive government, isn't just a good idea. It's the LAW.

Don't bother trying to establish a legal basis for an armed insurection against the United States of America.

If you try it and fail you will be killed or you will go to jail. And you will be remembered as a traitor against your country. Just like our founding fathers would have had they failed.

If you succeed then you will be remembered as a hero.

There is nothing in any law books that will change that reality.

Actually, if he were successful, he’d still be remembered as a traitor against his country, as the current government in no way manifest ‘tyranny,’ it is completely legitimate and sanctioned by the Constitution, its case law, and our democratic principles.

That a given partisan is upset because the presidency is held by the opposition party is not ‘justification’ for armed rebellion.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Actually, if he were successful, he’d still be remembered as a traitor against his country, as the current government in no way manifest ‘tyranny,’ it is completely legitimate and sanctioned by the Constitution, its case law, and our democratic principles.

Again, there are a great many people who disagree. Are you not aware of this?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The number of people who disagree are a very small minority in this country of hundreds of millions.

They do not have the right to overthrow the government.

Elections have consequences, 9th, and you will have to wait for the next election: that's the American way.

 

[J.E.D]

It firmly and legally establishes the right and DUTY of citizens of the U.S. to overthrow their government if it becomes too oppressive.

The Obamanites are doing their best to pretend that isn't so.

Then get to it. What are you waiting for?