It's easier to condemn homosexuality

[Pop23]

How do you know. You can tell sexuality via a forum post?

Amazing

Hmmm since not a single hetero married person here agrees with your 'reasonable viewpoint'- and frankly no one agree's with your 'modest proposal'- that you think there is much if any support for your concept of ending legal marriage, just so you can get your revenge on homosexuals- is just as idiotic as everything else you post here

Please quote the post that said that I proposed to end marriage. I contend it will die under its own weight.

Marriage as a legal entity, that does not include a sexual relationship, love or nearly anything else that the government can't simply revoke, is a law destined to fail.

Hmmm since not a single hetero married person here agrees with your 'reasonable viewpoint'- and frankly no one agree's with your 'modest proposal'- that you think there is much if any support for your concept of ending legal marriage, just so you can get your revenge on homosexuals- is just as idiotic as everything else you post here

You've stalked all the participants and can tell who are married or not?

Hell, then you must have the winning lottery numbers!

Ladies and gentlemen, THE AMAZING SYRIOUSLY -GAY MENTALIST

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

 

[Faun]

Hmmm since not a single hetero married person here agrees with your 'reasonable viewpoint'- and frankly no one agree's with your 'modest proposal'- that you think there is much if any support for your concept of ending legal marriage, just so you can get your revenge on homosexuals- is just as idiotic as everything else you post here

Please quote the post that said that I proposed to end marriage. I contend it will die under its own weight.

Marriage as a legal entity, that does not include a sexual relationship, love or nearly anything else that the government can't simply revoke, is a law destined to fail.

Hmmm since not a single hetero married person here agrees with your 'reasonable viewpoint'- and frankly no one agree's with your 'modest proposal'- that you think there is much if any support for your concept of ending legal marriage, just so you can get your revenge on homosexuals- is just as idiotic as everything else you post here

You've stalked all the participants and can tell who are married or not?

Hell, then you must have the winning lottery numbers!

Ladies and gentlemen, THE AMAZING SYRIOUSLY -GAY MENTALIST

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

 

[Pop23]

Please quote the post that said that I proposed to end marriage. I contend it will die under its own weight.

Marriage as a legal entity, that does not include a sexual relationship, love or nearly anything else that the government can't simply revoke, is a law destined to fail.

Hmmm since not a single hetero married person here agrees with your 'reasonable viewpoint'- and frankly no one agree's with your 'modest proposal'- that you think there is much if any support for your concept of ending legal marriage, just so you can get your revenge on homosexuals- is just as idiotic as everything else you post here

You've stalked all the participants and can tell who are married or not?

Hell, then you must have the winning lottery numbers!

Ladies and gentlemen, THE AMAZING SYRIOUSLY -GAY MENTALIST

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

Only Syriously. Claims he's straight cuz I guess he can't face the fact he's not.

 

[Faun]

Alabama would in fact hold the marriage contracts. So yes, they have the capacity to hold them and would be holding them should that law pass.

Amazingly, you still don't know this despite it being brought to your attention repeatedly.

Holding the contracts? What the hell does that mean and what does it have to do with endorsing, sanctioning or supporting marriage? There would be civil union contracts and any two people could apply for them. That's not "retaining marriage" in my view.

What keeps being brought to my attention is that it doesn't interfere with your little pretend gay thing you call marriage or any of your newly bestowed fundamental rights from SCOTUS. I think that's a good thing since I believe in passing laws that will withstand constitutional scrutiny. If you're okay with it and I'm okay with it, why are we arguing?

It means they would still recognize gay marriages as the legally binding union they are. Now legal in all 50 states, including Alabama should they pass that law.

They recognize whatever legally binding union they are required to. What other choice do you think they have?

I don't believe they have a choice. You're the one claiming they do not have to recognize same-sex marriage since there is nothing they hold.

I'm pointing out the lunacy of that since the state will in fact be holding the marriage contracts.

There will be no "marriage" contracts. There will be domestic civil union contracts. Is that what you mean the state will "hold" (whatever the significance of that is)? They also "hold" rapists and child molesters, does that mean the state is sanctioning, condoning and endorsing rape and child molesting? It must... they are holding them!

There will be no state sanctioning of marriages. No gay ones, no straight ones, no civil ones, no contracted ones, no "held" ones, no pretend ones or real ones. You can dismiss it as nothing more than a simple clerical detail in paperwork but it's a significant detail. You can think it's meaningless, loony, pointless, whatever... I don't care. In fact, I think that is a good thing. It means you don't have any objections.

If you're okay with this and I'm okay with this, why are we continuing to argue? You don't think it does what I claim? Okay... fine... again, I don't care. You're entitled to your opinion. I think it removes the state from sanctioning marriages. I also think it will ultimately be the solution many states adopt. Marriage, as a state-sanctioned institution is going bye-bye.

As usual, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Alabama proposed "abolishing the requirement that a marriage license be issued by the judge of probate."​

That's it.

Your nonsense that there will be "no marriage contracts" is your own hallucination.

Alabama proposed "(4) The signatures of the parties. The marriage contract shall be witnessed by two adult witnesses.

(c) A marriage contract meeting the requirements of this section shall be valid upon recording.

(d) A civil or religious ceremony may be required to be married.

(e) The contract shall be filed in the office of the judge of probate in each county and shall constitute a legal record of the marriage. A copy of the contract shall be 18 transmitted to the Office of Vital Statistics of the Department of Public Health and made a part of its record."​

You know that truth and facts would be on your side if you weren't so fucking deranged.

 

[Faun]

Hmmm since not a single hetero married person here agrees with your 'reasonable viewpoint'- and frankly no one agree's with your 'modest proposal'- that you think there is much if any support for your concept of ending legal marriage, just so you can get your revenge on homosexuals- is just as idiotic as everything else you post here

You've stalked all the participants and can tell who are married or not?

Hell, then you must have the winning lottery numbers!

Ladies and gentlemen, THE AMAZING SYRIOUSLY -GAY MENTALIST

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

Only Syriously. Claims he's straight cuz I guess he can't face the fact he's not.

Now you're lying. You had gay fantasies about me too. I can only guess you're lying because you're embarrassed about your bizarre fetish.

 

[Skylar]

Holding the contracts? What the hell does that mean and what does it have to do with endorsing, sanctioning or supporting marriage? There would be civil union contracts and any two people could apply for them. That's not "retaining marriage" in my view.

What keeps being brought to my attention is that it doesn't interfere with your little pretend gay thing you call marriage or any of your newly bestowed fundamental rights from SCOTUS. I think that's a good thing since I believe in passing laws that will withstand constitutional scrutiny. If you're okay with it and I'm okay with it, why are we arguing?

It means they would still recognize gay marriages as the legally binding union they are. Now legal in all 50 states, including Alabama should they pass that law.

They recognize whatever legally binding union they are required to. What other choice do you think they have?

I don't believe they have a choice. You're the one claiming they do not have to recognize same-sex marriage since there is nothing they hold.

I'm pointing out the lunacy of that since the state will in fact be holding the marriage contracts.

There will be no "marriage" contracts. There will be domestic civil union contracts. Is that what you mean the state will "hold" (whatever the significance of that is)? They also "hold" rapists and child molesters, does that mean the state is sanctioning, condoning and endorsing rape and child molesting? It must... they are holding them!

There will be no state sanctioning of marriages. No gay ones, no straight ones, no civil ones, no contracted ones, no "held" ones, no pretend ones or real ones. You can dismiss it as nothing more than a simple clerical detail in paperwork but it's a significant detail. You can think it's meaningless, loony, pointless, whatever... I don't care. In fact, I think that is a good thing. It means you don't have any objections.

If you're okay with this and I'm okay with this, why are we continuing to argue? You don't think it does what I claim? Okay... fine... again, I don't care. You're entitled to your opinion. I think it removes the state from sanctioning marriages. I also think it will ultimately be the solution many states adopt. Marriage, as a state-sanctioned institution is going bye-bye.

As usual, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Alabama proposed "abolishing the requirement that a marriage license be issued by the judge of probate."​

That's it.

Your nonsense that there will be "no marriage contracts" is your own hallucination.

Alabama proposed "(4) The signatures of the parties. The marriage contract shall be witnessed by two adult witnesses.

(c) A marriage contract meeting the requirements of this section shall be valid upon recording.

(d) A civil or religious ceremony may be required to be married.

(e) The contract shall be filed in the office of the judge of probate in each county and shall constitute a legal record of the marriage. A copy of the contract shall be 18 transmitted to the Office of Vital Statistics of the Department of Public Health and made a part of its record."​

You know that truth and facts would be on your side if you weren't so fucking deranged.

Boss never knows what he's talking about. He's what I like to call 'aggressively ignorant'. As the more information you provide, the more belligerently he ignores it.

 

[Faun]

..they would get state authorized civil marriages.

No, they would get state-authorized contracts of civil union. If they want to "marry" that is up to them. The state makes no distinction, nor does it recognize such on the part of the individuals. It is simply a contract between two parties as far as Alabama is concerned.

You know you're fucking deranged, right?

No, they would not be getting "state-authorized contracts of civil union." They would be getting "contracts of marriage."

Alabama proposes... to provide that a marriage would be entered into by contract; to provide that the judge of probate would record each contract of marriage presented to the probate office for recording and would forward the contract to the Office of Vital Statistics; to provide for the content of a properly executed contract of marriage;
​

Alabama would still recognize marriages as they always have. They will recognize all valid marriages including gay marriages, no matter how much you stomp your feet and shake your cane at the sky. The only difference is that judges of probate would no longer be required to issue marriage licenses.

Even worse for your dementia, other than the stated change that judges of probate would no longer be required to issue marriage licenses,

Alabama continues (f) This section shall not affect any other legal aspects of marriage in this state, including, but not limited to, divorce, spousal support, child custody, child support, or common law marriage.;​

 

[Pop23]

You've stalked all the participants and can tell who are married or not?

Hell, then you must have the winning lottery numbers!

Ladies and gentlemen, THE AMAZING SYRIOUSLY -GAY MENTALIST

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

Only Syriously. Claims he's straight cuz I guess he can't face the fact he's not.

Now you're lying. You had gay fantasies about me too. I can only guess you're lying because you're embarrassed about your bizarre fetish.

There would be no way of telling, would there.

Guess you have to rely on what I say, just as I have to rely on gays saying they are.

So, there Ya go. Continue with your drivel as though anyone really cares.

But of course, how Ya gonna know?

 

[Faun]

Hey, you're the one saying this isn't about gender after saying it was about gender.

You be sure to let me know who wins the argument you're having with yourself.

Another Paradox

When both genders claim discrimination which gender is being discriminated against?

When both races claim discrimination which race is being discriminated against?

Exactly dummy, that's why these fall under the strict scrutiny test. Race and sexuality are two vastly different things.

There ya go, fighting with yourself again.

Earlier, you pointed out it's same-sex marriage, not gay marriage. Now you're making it about gay marriage again.

Lemme know which one of you wins the fight.

I did, your just punch drunk from the beating you've taken.

You beat yourself? Good for you.

 

[Faun]

Hey, you're the one saying this isn't about gender after saying it was about gender.

You be sure to let me know who wins the argument you're having with yourself.

Another Paradox

When both genders claim discrimination which gender is being discriminated against?

Both. Both genders claimed they were prevented from marrying the person they love because of their gender.

1. No, a sexuality claimed the discrimination. I'm part of that Male gender, a remarkable majority of us claimed no such discrimination

2. You realize, you bolster my contention that same sex siblings have legitimate claim to being discriminated against

Ignorant. Sexuality is not a requirement of same-sex marriage.

Agreed, never said it was.

Odd? I could have sworn you said, "a sexuality claimed the discrimination." How could a "sexuality" establish such a claim of discrimination where no such sexuality is a requirement unless you were talking about a "sexuality?"

 

[Faun]

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

Only Syriously. Claims he's straight cuz I guess he can't face the fact he's not.

Now you're lying. You had gay fantasies about me too. I can only guess you're lying because you're embarrassed about your bizarre fetish.

There would be no way of telling, would there.

Guess you have to rely on what I say, just as I have to rely on gays saying they are.

So, there Ya go. Continue with your drivel as though anyone really cares.

But of course, how Ya gonna know?

I can only go by what you say. And what you're saying is that you can't stop fantasizing about straight men engaging in gay sex.

 

[Syriusly]

If you can show where the bill would have changed civil marriages into civil unions, please do.

The text of the bill is available but you have this trouble understanding context so it won't do you much good to read it. You are interpreting Alabama's obligation under the Constitution and federal laws as "state recognition" and that's not the same meaning I am talking about.

Translation: Boss is not going to post the actual text here because
a) it would set a dangerous precedent if Boss posted facts and
b) it would show that his claims are as stupid as the rest of his claims.

'
Oh, I already did cite the Alabama SB377. And it explicitly contradicted him. So Boss put me on ignore.

There are just some people that are so committed to the idea of their own infallibility that they'll ignore any evidence, even their own sources, to continue to polish whatever turd they cling to.

And Boss is their king.

Well Boss prefers his own opinions to those 'fact' thingies.

Well do fantasies count as opinions? Boss posts a lot of fantasies too.

Like his fantasy of being forced to have sex with gay men.

 

[Syriusly]

..they would get state authorized civil marriages.

No, they would get state-authorized contracts of civil union. If they want to "marry" that is up to them. The state makes no distinction, nor does it recognize such on the part of the individuals. It is simply a contract between two parties as far as Alabama is concerned.

From SB377 :
"
Section 1. (a) Effective July 1, 2015, the only
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requirement to be married in this state shall be for parties
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who are otherwise legally authorized to be married to enter
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into a contract of marriage as provided herein.
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(b) A contract to be married shall contain the
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following minimum information:
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(1) The names of the parties.
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(2) A statement that the parties are legally
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authorized to be married.
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(3) A statement that the parties voluntarily and
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based on each parties' own freewill enter into a marriage.
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(4) The signatures of the parties.
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The marriage contract shall be witnessed by two
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adult witnesses.
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(c) A marriage contract meeting the requirements of
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this section shall be valid upon recording.
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(d) A civil or religious ceremony may be required to
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be married.
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(e) The contract shall be filed in the office of the
16
judge of probate in each county and shall constitute a legal
17
record of the marriage. A copy of the contract shall be
18
transmitted to the Office of Vital Statistics of the
19
Department of Public Health and made a part of its record.
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(f) This section shall not affect any other legal
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aspects of marriage in this state, including, but not limited
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to, divorce, spousal support, child custody, child support, or
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common law marriage."

Alabama SB377 | 2015 | Regular Session

I eagerly await your explanation of why the bill talks over and over about people getting marriages in Alabama rather than civil unions. An explanation of how having the two parties be 'legally authorized to marry' is not the state authorizing marriages would also be appreciated.

I don't need to explain why they are obeying the laws already on the books.

Of course you don't need to explain anything.

You just make crap up and pretend its real.

This entire thread is your anti-gay fantasy being shoveled like manure onto the internet.

 

[Pop23]

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

Only Syriously. Claims he's straight cuz I guess he can't face the fact he's not.

Now you're lying. You had gay fantasies about me too. I can only guess you're lying because you're embarrassed about your bizarre fetish.

There would be no way of telling, would there.

Guess you have to rely on what I say, just as I have to rely on gays saying they are.

So, there Ya go. Continue with your drivel as though anyone really cares.

But of course, how Ya gonna know?

I can only go by what you say. And what you're saying is that you can't stop fantasizing about straight men engaging in gay sex.

If that's what trips your trigger, I'm sure you can find a porn site that caters to perverts like you.

 

[Syriusly]

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

Only Syriously. Claims he's straight cuz I guess he can't face the fact he's not.

Now you're lying. You had gay fantasies about me too. I can only guess you're lying because you're embarrassed about your bizarre fetish.

There would be no way of telling, would there.

Guess you have to rely on what I say, just as I have to rely on gays saying they are.

So, there Ya go. Continue with your drivel as though anyone really cares.

But of course, how Ya gonna know?

Tell us more about your tiny little micro penis and how that is the reason why you only use it to continue the species?

 

[Syriusly]

Hmmm since not a single hetero married person here agrees with your 'reasonable viewpoint'- and frankly no one agree's with your 'modest proposal'- that you think there is much if any support for your concept of ending legal marriage, just so you can get your revenge on homosexuals- is just as idiotic as everything else you post here

You've stalked all the participants and can tell who are married or not?

Hell, then you must have the winning lottery numbers!

Ladies and gentlemen, THE AMAZING SYRIOUSLY -GAY MENTALIST

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

Only Syriously. Claims he's straight cuz I guess he can't face the fact he's not.

Tell us more about your challenge of having a micro penis and how that has made you so sexually represssed.

 

[Syriusly]

Please quote the post that said that I proposed to end marriage. I contend it will die under its own weight.

Marriage as a legal entity, that does not include a sexual relationship, love or nearly anything else that the government can't simply revoke, is a law destined to fail.

Hmmm since not a single hetero married person here agrees with your 'reasonable viewpoint'- and frankly no one agree's with your 'modest proposal'- that you think there is much if any support for your concept of ending legal marriage, just so you can get your revenge on homosexuals- is just as idiotic as everything else you post here

You've stalked all the participants and can tell who are married or not?

Hell, then you must have the winning lottery numbers!

Ladies and gentlemen, THE AMAZING SYRIOUSLY -GAY MENTALIST

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

Well and remember- Pops can't stop talking about incest.

He brings it up in every thread.

Why is Pops so obsessed about incest?

Is it because of his micro-penis?

 

[Pop23]

Hmmm since not a single hetero married person here agrees with your 'reasonable viewpoint'- and frankly no one agree's with your 'modest proposal'- that you think there is much if any support for your concept of ending legal marriage, just so you can get your revenge on homosexuals- is just as idiotic as everything else you post here

You've stalked all the participants and can tell who are married or not?

Hell, then you must have the winning lottery numbers!

Ladies and gentlemen, THE AMAZING SYRIOUSLY -GAY MENTALIST

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

Well and remember- Pops can't stop talking about incest.

He brings it up in every thread.

Why is Pops so obsessed about incest?

Is it because of his micro-penis?

Seriously, the incest obsessed poster, strikes again

 

[Faun]

You've stalked all the participants and can tell who are married or not?

Hell, then you must have the winning lottery numbers!

Ladies and gentlemen, THE AMAZING SYRIOUSLY -GAY MENTALIST

You just can't stop fantasizing about straight men having gay sex, can you?

You are sick. But that was obvious from the start

Not sick at all. Just can't help but notice how much you talk about straight men being gay. What other reason is there for such behavior other than you can't stop fantasizing about it?

Well and remember- Pops can't stop talking about incest.

He brings it up in every thread.

Why is Pops so obsessed about incest?

Is it because of his micro-penis?

Seriously, the incest obsessed poster, strikes again

Your projections aside, is there a thread you post in where you don't talk about incest?

 

[Boss]

What does any of that have to do with your claims that people would get civil unions rather than marriages under the bill?

I don't know what "people will get" under the bill other than a civil union contract from the state. I guess they can get married, live together, fuck their goats... I don't know? Don't care, to be honest.

The State of Alabama won't be formally sanctioning their marriage anymore... they can still have one... the State isn't going to stop them.