Japan? Has a gang war....and...don't say it...shootings? Say it ain't so...

[2aguy]

This is the thing.....Japan has very little actual crime....but it does have organized crime....and being Japanese...it is very, very organized......so there is very little bloodshed in Japan...of any kind. But, when the Yakuza go to war...they start shooting, even in Japan....

From March of this year.....This has been building up since last year....

Yakuza vs. Yakuza in a ‘Sea of Blood’

TOKYO — Molotov cocktails, beatings, shootings—the tempo of Yakuza on Yakuza violence is picking up in Japan, and there’s every reason to believe it’s just a little taste of what’s to come.

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A day later, on March 5, a truck was rammed into a KY office and shots fired into its building in Mito City. Then a truck was smashed into a Yamaguchi-gumi office in Mie Prefecture. In Kobe, a KY executive had his car smashed. On Sunday, around 7:40 a.m., five shots were fired into a KY office in Ibaraki Prefecture.

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According to the National Police Agency, since the KY peeled off from the Yamaguchi-gumi, there have been more than 20 violent flare-ups between members of the two groups. The attacks have included brawls, shootings, crashing vehicles into buildings, Molotov cocktails, and possibly at least one brutal murder.

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Two days later, on Feb. 17 in Osaka, a two-ton truck was smashed into the offices of Yamaguchi-gumi Akira Rengo-kai.

In Fukui Prefecture, on Feb. 23, in front of the police who were standing on alert outside the offices of the Kobe Yamaguchi-gumi Masaki-gumi office building, a 38-year-old member of the Yamaguchi-gumi, Toshiyuki Yamamoto, fired five shots into the door and was arrested on the spot.


On the same day, before his arrest, his letter and declaration of his crime was delivered to several media outlets and yakuza fanzines. (Yes, the yakuza have fan magazines in Japan.)


But.......they have gun control in Japan....where did these guys get their guns?

 

[2aguy]

Hmmmmm....an update....

UPDATE: On Tuesday, March 8, the National Police Agency, after officially recognizing that a gang war is taking place, set up a special headquarters to monitor and stop the conflict, and special divisions in 44 of Japan’s 47 prefectures. The NPA announced that since the split (Aug. 27, 2015) there have been 49 skirmishes involving both gangs: four shootings, four scuffles involving multiple parties, three Molotov cocktails, and nine attacks using motor vehicles. The police have arrested and/or detained 65 yakuza involved in the gang wars.

Where do they get the guns?

 

[DarkFury]

Hmmmmm....an update....

UPDATE: On Tuesday, March 8, the National Police Agency, after officially recognizing that a gang war is taking place, set up a special headquarters to monitor and stop the conflict, and special divisions in 44 of Japan’s 47 prefectures. The NPA announced that since the split (Aug. 27, 2015) there have been 49 skirmishes involving both gangs: four shootings, four scuffles involving multiple parties, three Molotov cocktails, and nine attacks using motor vehicles. The police have arrested and/or detained 65 yakuza involved in the gang wars.

Where do they get the guns?

My little brother lived there and the Yakuza is five different crime families. Guns come in via the docks and bribed security workers.

 

[2aguy]

Hmmmmm....an update....

UPDATE: On Tuesday, March 8, the National Police Agency, after officially recognizing that a gang war is taking place, set up a special headquarters to monitor and stop the conflict, and special divisions in 44 of Japan’s 47 prefectures. The NPA announced that since the split (Aug. 27, 2015) there have been 49 skirmishes involving both gangs: four shootings, four scuffles involving multiple parties, three Molotov cocktails, and nine attacks using motor vehicles. The police have arrested and/or detained 65 yakuza involved in the gang wars.

Where do they get the guns?

My little brother lived there and the Yakuza is five different crime families. Guns come in via the docks and bribed security workers.

No....that. is. not. true. The anti gunners here on U.S. messageboard that Japan is heaven.....they have absolutely no guns....never ever, ever......and that all they have is unicorns and pixie dust.........

 

[2aguy]

Sometimes their lower level guys aren't as rational as the more senior members....from 2014.....

Yakuza shooting at Tokyo coffee shop reflects tough times for gangsters | The Tokyo Reporter

At approximately 11:30 a.m., an employee at the shop called emergency personnel to report hearing two gunshots after a quarrel erupted among five customers, all of whom were believed to begang members.

Police arriving at the scene, inside a business district near JR Koiwa Station, discovered two shell casings and three bloodstains. Witnesses indicated that four of the participants departed by a car while the final member escaped on foot.

A reporter from Shukan Asahi Geino (Sept. 4) finds that the shooting is a sign of the tough times yakuza members now face.

 

[JoeB131]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

 

[daws101]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

Safest country on earth.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

Safest country on earth.

Yup. Absolute worst possible example 2aGuy could use. The guy's nuts.

 

[daws101]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

Safest country on earth.

Yup. Absolute worst possible example 2aGuy could use. The guy's nuts.

He does tend to toss and see if sticks

 

[JoeB131]

No....that. is. not. true. The anti gunners here on U.S. messageboard that Japan is heaven.....they have absolutely no guns....never ever, ever......and that all they have is unicorns and pixie dust.........

except none of us ever claimed that.

Okay, you know what, guy. I'll concede the point. YOu are never going to have a society that is completely free of guns. But one that is mostly free of guns is probably good enough.

Just like having a slight mole on your neck is a lot better than having stage 4 colon cancer that has spread to your liver.

Sorry you don't seem to get this. Or don't want to get this.

But I'd rather have Japan's crime problems than ours.

 

[2aguy]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

Yes.....because they have little of any kind of violent crime...why? Because of their culture.....group shaming, respect for authority, desire by their criminals for money over murder.......all the things we won't do here.....

 

[2aguy]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

Safest country on earth.

Yup. Absolute worst possible example 2aGuy could use. The guy's nuts.

As the examples show.....when criminals in Japan want guns, they get guns.....the gun control laws of Japan do not stop them. As we keep telling you, when you ban guns only criminals and cops will have guns...and this is another example of that....this gang war is just ramping up.......next comes the grenades.....they have outlawed those too.....

 

[TheOldSchool]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

Safest country on earth.

Yup. Absolute worst possible example 2aGuy could use. The guy's nuts.

As the examples show.....when criminals in Japan want guns, they get guns.....the gun control laws of Japan do not stop them. As we keep telling you, when you ban guns only criminals and cops will have guns...and this is another example of that....this gang war is just ramping up.......next comes the grenades.....they have outlawed those too.....

Yeah their criminals are really friendly and do their best to not kill anybody. Great argument.

 

[2aguy]

No....that. is. not. true. The anti gunners here on U.S. messageboard that Japan is heaven.....they have absolutely no guns....never ever, ever......and that all they have is unicorns and pixie dust.........

except none of us ever claimed that.

Okay, you know what, guy. I'll concede the point. YOu are never going to have a society that is completely free of guns. But one that is mostly free of guns is probably good enough.

Just like having a slight mole on your neck is a lot better than having stage 4 colon cancer that has spread to your liver.

Sorry you don't seem to get this. Or don't want to get this.

But I'd rather have Japan's crime problems than ours.

Then you will have to turn all of us into Japanese and embrace their culture....since those are the reasons they have such a low violent crime rate...of any kind...they have little to no robbery either.....violent crime is not part of their society...and you could give every Japanese citizen a gun, and their gun crime rate would not change....

Just like in Britain...they confiscated their guns...and their gun crime rate stayed the same...why? Their criminals kept their guns....normal people turned theirs in....so the gun crime rate did not change. Oh...the gun crime rate did go up 4% last year...as their social welfare system has created young males who no longer are being turned into model citizens by their society......and they are importing violent criminals from 3rd world countries.....

 

[2aguy]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

Safest country on earth.

Yup. Absolute worst possible example 2aGuy could use. The guy's nuts.

As the examples show.....when criminals in Japan want guns, they get guns.....the gun control laws of Japan do not stop them. As we keep telling you, when you ban guns only criminals and cops will have guns...and this is another example of that....this gang war is just ramping up.......next comes the grenades.....they have outlawed those too.....

Yeah their criminals are really friendly and do their best to not kill anybody. Great argument.

No moron. Murder is not part of their culture...unlike our inner city gangs who murder each other over insults on facebook. Read up on the Yakuza.......they are very regulated by their bosses....murder is bad for business......

 

[TheOldSchool]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

Safest country on earth.

Yup. Absolute worst possible example 2aGuy could use. The guy's nuts.

As the examples show.....when criminals in Japan want guns, they get guns.....the gun control laws of Japan do not stop them. As we keep telling you, when you ban guns only criminals and cops will have guns...and this is another example of that....this gang war is just ramping up.......next comes the grenades.....they have outlawed those too.....

Yeah their criminals are really friendly and do their best to not kill anybody. Great argument.

No moron. Murder is not part of their culture...unlike our inner city gangs who murder each other over insults on facebook. Read up on the Yakuza.......they are very regulated by their bosses....murder is bad for business......

Yeah their criminals are really stand up guys. Their homicide rate isn't low because potential criminals have no means by which to get a gun, it's because they are businessmen.

 

[Unkotare]

Don't overdo it with the "no crime" bit.

 

[2aguy]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

Safest country on earth.

Yup. Absolute worst possible example 2aGuy could use. The guy's nuts.

As the examples show.....when criminals in Japan want guns, they get guns.....the gun control laws of Japan do not stop them. As we keep telling you, when you ban guns only criminals and cops will have guns...and this is another example of that....this gang war is just ramping up.......next comes the grenades.....they have outlawed those too.....

Yeah their criminals are really friendly and do their best to not kill anybody. Great argument.

A lesson in why Japan has such a low gun murder rate....please read carefully...

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

As the gun-banners point out, the Japanese crime rate is dramatically lower than the U.S. rate. Tokyo, the world's safest major city, suffers muggings at the rate of 40 per year per one
million inhabitants. New York City's rate is 11,000.

According to government statistics, Japan has 1.5 homicides per 100,000 citizens each year, and America has 7.9.

Actually, the gap between U.S. and Japanese homicide rates is not quite as large as the official statistics indicate. The real Japanese murder rate is about twice the reported rate; unlike the U.S., Japan does not count an attempt to injure, but which accidentally causes death, as a homicide.

The F.B.I. also over-counts American murders, by listing the 1,500 - 2,500 legal, self- defense fatal shootings of criminals as illegal homicide. Still, Japan's actual homicide rate is two to three times lower than the U.S. rate. As for handgun murders, the U.S. rate is 200 times higher than Japan's.

Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder.

Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4.

Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't.

A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of

 

[2aguy]

Here ......let me highlight this for you again.....

A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

 

[idb]

Dick Tiny is horrified of a world where his neighbors don't want him to have a gun.

Okay, reality check. We have 11,000 gun homicides every year, Japan has 11.

Yes.....because they have little of any kind of violent crime...why? Because of their culture.....group shaming, respect for authority, desire by their criminals for money over murder.......all the things we won't do here.....

I thought it was guns that made a society polite.
Have I been misled?