Bob Blaylock
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Odd that, in my AO we are armed to the teeth yet we have a very low gun crime rate....So how do you square that?
A few weeks back a local grandma held a ne'er-do-well at gun point till the cops finally arrived and toted him off to jail.....She did not ventilate him.....That happened about 3 miles away from me.
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He was held without bond too.
I had my own variation. "Everything I say is a lie." lol.You are now forever trapped in a classic paradox, from which you will never escape.
Correct. You should stop. Time for you to grow up.Stamping your little feet and saying "I don't want it to be true" does not constitute debunking.
A clarification isn't a retraction.This does....
Kellerman who did the study that came up with the 43 times more likely myth, was forced to retract that study and to do the research over when other academics pointed out how flawed his methods were....he then changed the 43 times number to 2.7, but he was still using flawed data to get even that number.....
Still living in Mormon Bob's head.Someone who hasn't achieved any better level of intellectual maturity than this by the time it is sixty years old, is never going to do so. If anything, Joe seems to have declined rather significantly in the last week or so.
Lives in Utah.where is your proof he was Mormon?
since no law will ever stop a bad person from doing bad things they should have had a gun too,,Utah shooting: A man killed his family after wife filed for divorce
Police found eight people, including five children, dead in a Utah home during a welfare check.www.bbc.com
"A family of eight - including five children - have been found shot dead inside a rural home in Enoch City, in the US state of Utah."
Well, I guess after Sandy Hook, we know nothing will be done about this.
Lives in Utah.
Five Kids.
Lives in a town called "Enoch".
Just screams, "Crazy Mormon".
Sad about the kids, though.
Just screams, "Crazy Mormon".
the only one screaming "Crazy Mormon" is you.
and, like most of your opinions, you're probably wrong
A clarification isn't a retraction.
Because issues are complex. It's not as simple as looking at ONE STATISTIC and saying "oh, this means that".
The thing is that most people, 95% at the very least want simple answers to complex problems, and with their simple answers they'll declare themselves geniuses for having been told to think that.
What crimes do people use guns to commit? (What's that for grammar?)
Generally I'd say there are crimes like theft, robbery etc, the taking of something from someone is much, MUCH easier with a gun. Rape would also come in this, it is "taking something", ie, sex.
There's anger issues, people get angry, they solve the problem by being all macho and pulling out a gun. Drug crimes with guns might fall into this. Though it might also fall into the category of get one over on your opponents, a team sport, gang violence etc.
Clearly there's murder, though how many murders are planned in the first place, and how many happen in the course of one of the previous I don't know.
"According to the Victim Survey (NCVS), 25% of the victims of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault in 1993 faced an offender armed with a handgun. Of all firearm-related crime reported to the survey, 86% involved handguns."
Rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault. The main uses for guns, perhaps, details are vague, obviously as there isn't a concise recording of such things.
Who commits such crimes? Robbery is mostly a low income crime. Drugs are often pushed by people from lower income groups, lower education groups. A lot of this has to do with poverty.
Who's going to use a gun? Or who's going to commit a crime? Someone who has less to lose. A dude who earns $1 million a year is much, much less likely to commit such crimes. They have more to lose.
So, you have an area with lots of guns, but lots of people with lots to lose, you're going to have less gun violence than an area with less guns, but with lots of people with less to lose, with more to gain from crime.
However guns sometimes are used impulsively.
Here's some facts.
The UK has very strict gun laws. Some criminals have guns, but handguns aren't easy to get.
Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United Kingdom, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and developmentwww.gunpolicy.org
Gun homicides in the UK 0.02 in 2015
Germany, a safe country, but with rather more relaxed gun laws. 4.96 guns per 100 in the UK, 30.95 guns per 100 people in Germany.
Gun homicides in Germany 0.06 in 2015, or three times higher.
In Switzerland, the poster boy for all gun lovers, up to 41 guns per 100 people in civilian hands, plus some as their system is a little different and many people are militia member with guns (under strict conditions).
Gun homicides in Switzerland 0.09 in 2019. (0.22 in 2015, so you can see it fluctuates a bit, it was higher in the early 2000s)
So, more guns here does mean more gun homicides.
However, Switzerland's homicide rate is 0.5 per 100,000 people, the UK's is 1.12. Clearly guns are having an impact. Switzerland has more gun murders, 4.5 times more than the UK, and yet has half the murder rate.
People with access to guns will use guns when they want to do something. A gun makes a person much more powerful.
So why does the US have a MUCH, MUCH higher rate than this? Easy access to guns. Germany and Switzerland have guns, but access for criminals is much less. Which means a gun is more precious. In the US a criminal with a gun might use it in a crime and abandon it when chased by the police.
In Europe they're less likely to use it in a crime, for fear of losing it. Less likely to throwing it away as it's much harder to replace.
Yes, some people can use guns to stop crime. However the US, in spite of such a thing, has a higher murder rate (by 5 times) than the UK, it still has high rates of crime.
Alaska with LOADS OF GUNS has the HIGHEST rape rate. Surely these women can use their guns to stop this rape. Whereas NY has one of the lowest, lots of women without guns..... not able to protect themselves from the hoards wanting to rape them.
Because issues are complex. It's not as simple as looking at ONE STATISTIC and saying "oh, this means that".
The thing is that most people, 95% at the very least want simple answers to complex problems, and with their simple answers they'll declare themselves geniuses for having been told to think that.
What crimes do people use guns to commit? (What's that for grammar?)
Generally I'd say there are crimes like theft, robbery etc, the taking of something from someone is much, MUCH easier with a gun. Rape would also come in this, it is "taking something", ie, sex.
There's anger issues, people get angry, they solve the problem by being all macho and pulling out a gun. Drug crimes with guns might fall into this. Though it might also fall into the category of get one over on your opponents, a team sport, gang violence etc.
Clearly there's murder, though how many murders are planned in the first place, and how many happen in the course of one of the previous I don't know.
"According to the Victim Survey (NCVS), 25% of the victims of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault in 1993 faced an offender armed with a handgun. Of all firearm-related crime reported to the survey, 86% involved handguns."
Rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault. The main uses for guns, perhaps, details are vague, obviously as there isn't a concise recording of such things.
Who commits such crimes? Robbery is mostly a low income crime. Drugs are often pushed by people from lower income groups, lower education groups. A lot of this has to do with poverty.
Who's going to use a gun? Or who's going to commit a crime? Someone who has less to lose. A dude who earns $1 million a year is much, much less likely to commit such crimes. They have more to lose.
So, you have an area with lots of guns, but lots of people with lots to lose, you're going to have less gun violence than an area with less guns, but with lots of people with less to lose, with more to gain from crime.
However guns sometimes are used impulsively.
Here's some facts.
The UK has very strict gun laws. Some criminals have guns, but handguns aren't easy to get.
Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United Kingdom, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and developmentwww.gunpolicy.org
Gun homicides in the UK 0.02 in 2015
Germany, a safe country, but with rather more relaxed gun laws. 4.96 guns per 100 in the UK, 30.95 guns per 100 people in Germany.
Gun homicides in Germany 0.06 in 2015, or three times higher.
In Switzerland, the poster boy for all gun lovers, up to 41 guns per 100 people in civilian hands, plus some as their system is a little different and many people are militia member with guns (under strict conditions).
Gun homicides in Switzerland 0.09 in 2019. (0.22 in 2015, so you can see it fluctuates a bit, it was higher in the early 2000s)
So, more guns here does mean more gun homicides.
However, Switzerland's homicide rate is 0.5 per 100,000 people, the UK's is 1.12. Clearly guns are having an impact. Switzerland has more gun murders, 4.5 times more than the UK, and yet has half the murder rate.
People with access to guns will use guns when they want to do something. A gun makes a person much more powerful.
So why does the US have a MUCH, MUCH higher rate than this? Easy access to guns. Germany and Switzerland have guns, but access for criminals is much less. Which means a gun is more precious. In the US a criminal with a gun might use it in a crime and abandon it when chased by the police.
In Europe they're less likely to use it in a crime, for fear of losing it. Less likely to throwing it away as it's much harder to replace.
Yes, some people can use guns to stop crime. However the US, in spite of such a thing, has a higher murder rate (by 5 times) than the UK, it still has high rates of crime.
Alaska with LOADS OF GUNS has the HIGHEST rape rate. Surely these women can use their guns to stop this rape. Whereas NY has one of the lowest, lots of women without guns..... not able to protect themselves from the hoards wanting to rape them.
He did the study all over you dipstick......his number went from 43 to 2.7 and people who reviewed the study said he still got it wrong.
Again...you have to actually address the 15 million people murdered in Europe in just 6 years.
only to morons.You might have a point, "Crazy" and "Mormon" is a bit redundant.
only to morons.
and they think you are.Nope, the Mormons are really kind of crazy.
Baptizing dead people
Blood Atonement
Magic Underwear
Eternal marriage
Ruling Planets in the afterlife.
Jesus and Satan are brothers
God lives on a planet called Kolob.
and they think you are.
with good reason.