Karl Rove: "Beyond me why trump held onto doc....no legal authority

[Meister]

He broke the law. The DOJ tried to get him to give up all the classified document for months. One of his lame lawyers even signed a document that says they had given all the documents up. Either she lied or trump led.

Garland is the most careful and by the book AG we have had in years. He knows that he better have a good reason to search Mar a Lugee.

It is more than...."we want the rest of the documents." Someone was or did something terribly dangerous and illegal. Time will tell.

You think Poootin did not have agents or says at Mar a Lugee? And trump set up the table for him.

Spoken like a partisan hack, Jim. Go sit down because you don't anything just like the rest of us.

 

[rightwinger]

Funny how carl didn't mention that EVERY PRESIDENT takes documents. The mighty obama took 3 million pages...should the FBI go storm his house at gun point?

Obama turned all his documents over to the National Archives who maintains them

Trump stashed them in his basement

 

[rightwinger]

Spoken like a partisan hack, Jim. Go sit down because you don't anything just like the rest of us.

What is partisan about expecting Trump to properly protect his Top Secret documents?

 

[Meister]

Obama turned all his documents over to the National Archives who maintains them

Trump stashed them in his basement

Sandy 'Burglar'

 

[excalibur]

The Mar-A-Lago Affidavit Really Does Read As If They Were Confiscating Russiagate Evidence.

There are a whopping 413 redacted lines.

raheemkassam.substack.com

 

[Meister]

What is partisan about expecting Trump to properly protect his Top Secret documents?

Read Jim's entire post, RW. Don't be Jim's stooge, you're smarter than that.

 

[BULLDOG]

Who knows, maybe he was waiting for the republican Senate and the House. No sense doing without a majority,
it just gets swept under the rug.

I guess anything is possible, but he's never been able to look beyond immediate gain before. No reason to believe the idiot suddenly learned a new skill.

 

[rightwinger]

Read Jim's entire post, RW. Don't be Jim's stooge, you're smarter than that.

What about it?
I agree with Rove, so should you

Do you believe Trump should be expected to protect Top Secret information or not?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Meanwhile, Øbama has millions of pages of stuff and no one knows what is in some of them. He [Øbama] said he was going to digitize them but 5+ years later none have been digitized.

NARA, the National Archives, has all of the Obama documents at their offices in Chicago. Only they can have any control over it, or have possession of them.

The Library is not finished, yet. Digitizing, all in good time, if they are not doing it, already.

 

[excalibur]

Obama turned all his documents over to the National Archives who maintains them

Trump stashed them in his basement

Five plus years later Øbama's 30 million pages are still stored in Chicago and no one knows what is in them because the statute allows him to keep them from view. He [Øbama] controls them per the statute.

Then there is this:

And yet the accumulation of recent congressional testimony has made it clear that the Obama administration itself engaged in the wholesale destruction and “loss” of tens of thousands of government records covered under the act as well as the intentional evasion of the government records recording system by engaging in private email exchanges.

So far, former President Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Attorney General Lynch and several EPA officials have been named as offenders. The IRS suffered record “losses” as well. Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy called it “an unauthorized private communications system for official business for the patent purpose of defeating federal record-keeping and disclosure laws.​

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/10/crisis_at_the_national_archives_137241.html

 

[meaner gene]

That 1978 law “lays out detailed requirements for how the archivist is to administer the records, handle privilege claims, make the records public, and impose restrictions on access,” they added. “Notably, it doesn’t address the process by which a former president’s records are physically to be turned over to the archivist, or set any deadline, leaving this matter to be negotiated between the archivist and the former president.”

Actually the process as it would usually work, is the National Archives would clean out the presidential paperwork in the final weeks of the presidents term.
The National Archives took possession of 30 million documents from the Obama white house. A staggering number, too many to be retrieved at the last minute.

 

[meaner gene]

Funny how carl didn't mention that EVERY PRESIDENT takes documents. The mighty obama took 3 million pages...should the FBI go storm his house at gun point?

Funny thing. Those documents were sent to Chicago.
Obama lives in Washington DC.

 

[Winco]

Carl who? He doesn't know any more than you or I.

Because the statutes say he can.

Meanwhile, Øbama has millions of pages of stuff and no one knows what is in some of them. He [Øbama] said he was going to digitize them but 5+ years later none have been digitized.

The mighty obama took 3 million pages

You RWI's are ALL over the spectrum on this.
1). trump has every right
2). Obama took millions of pages (although he actually didn't, NARA did)
3) trump did nothing wrong, but Obama did.
4) rinse and repeat.

 

[okfine]

Wait for it....Wait for it....RINO....right?

Because he is not a Fascist like trump....he is a RINO.

RINO? Of course he gets that label, but I like what he said, regardless.

 

[rightwinger]

Five plus years later Øbama's 30 million pages are still stored in Chicago and no one knows what is in them because the statute allows him to keep them from view. He [Øbama] controls them per the statute.

Then there is this:

And yet the accumulation of recent congressional testimony has made it clear that the Obama administration itself engaged in the wholesale destruction and “loss” of tens of thousands of government records covered under the act as well as the intentional evasion of the government records recording system by engaging in private email exchanges. ​

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So far, former President Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Attorney General Lynch and several EPA officials have been named as offenders. The IRS suffered record “losses” as well. Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy called it “an unauthorized private communications system for official business for the patent purpose of defeating federal record-keeping and disclosure laws.​

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/10/crisis_at_the_national_archives_137241.html

Obama is not keeping them, National Archives is

Obama wasn’t keeping TOP SECRET documents in his basement

 

[excalibur]

NARA, the National Archives, has all of the Obama documents at their offices in Chicago. Only they can have any control over it, or have possession of them.

The Library is not finished, yet. Digitizing, all in good time, if they are not doing it, already.

They are under Øbama's control per statute. None have been digitized let alone made public.

 

[rightwinger]

Sandy 'Burglar'

no idea what that means

 

[Meister]

What about it?
I agree with Rove, so should you

Do you believe Trump should be expected to protect Top Secret information or not?

Gotta find out what is. or isn't top secret. That's why we have the courts.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Five plus years later Øbama's 30 million pages are still stored in Chicago and no one knows what is in them because the statute allows him to keep them from view. He [Øbama] controls them per the statute.

Then there is this:

And yet the accumulation of recent congressional testimony has made it clear that the Obama administration itself engaged in the wholesale destruction and “loss” of tens of thousands of government records covered under the act as well as the intentional evasion of the government records recording system by engaging in private email exchanges. ​

​

So far, former President Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Attorney General Lynch and several EPA officials have been named as offenders. The IRS suffered record “losses” as well. Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy called it “an unauthorized private communications system for official business for the patent purpose of defeating federal record-keeping and disclosure laws.​

​

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/10/crisis_at_the_national_archives_137241.html

The Obama documents are NOT in Obama's possession, stored somewhere BY him.

The National Archives has an office in Chicago, and all the documents were given to them when he left office and they transferred them to that office in Chicago.

Obama has to ask to see those documents, if he wants to see any of them, in a secure environment. That is how it works.

 

[excalibur]

We know Obama kept classified documents when he left the White House because the NSC wouldn’t fulfill a request to turn over Susan Rice’s unmasking documents that were moved to Obama’s library.

The fact that they could not be easily obtained indicates they were classified.

The fact they were moved to Obama’s “library” and based on the above, indicates that the National Archives withheld information under their control during the Trump years which was likely a crime!

See: BREAKING: NSC Won't Fulfill Subpoena Request For Susan Rice Unmasking Documents - The Records Were Moved to Obama Library

We also know that Obama refused to keep hard copies in his library – everything was to be digitized. Also, no archivists were there to oversee the digitization of Obama’s documents while he was President. So there is no way to tell whether Obama didn’t have classified documents in the materials he took with him after his corrupt presidency.

We also know that at that time The New York Times reported that the National Archives is not overseeing Obama’s library. The Times published the following:

And the entire complex, including the museum chronicling Mr. Obama’s presidency, will be run by the foundation, a private nonprofit entity, rather than by the National Archives and Records Administration, the federal agency that administers the libraries and museums for all presidents going back to Herbert Hoover.

The Gateway Pundit previously reported this back in 2019.
So if the National Archives oversaw Obama’s library documents like they now claim, then they likely committed a crime in not providing them when subpoenaed in the past.

If they didn’t oversee Obama’s documents like the New York Times reported in 2019, then they are lying.

Which is it? And can anyone make a claim that Obama’s documents in his library do not contain classified information without looking at the documents themselves which likely no one has ever done? ​

EXCLUSIVE: National Archives and Media Caught in Another Lie - Evidence Shows Obama Did Have Classified Docs in the 33 Million Pages He Took with Him When He Left Office | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

The establishment media is now insisting that Barack Hussein Obama did not keep classified documents and take them with him after he left the White House. The Gateway Pundit can now confirm that this is a blatant lie. There were documents Obama had in his possession when he left the White House...

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