Kremlin says Russia is open to dialogue with Trump on Ukraine

[M14 Shooter]

Yes. NATO countries hired Zelenskiy to attack DPR and LPR. The USA (and some other NATO members) illegally attacked Serbia in 1999 and Iraq in 2003.

Oh, I see
You;'re just here to lie.
Did Destroyer of Illusions get banned? Are you his sock puppet?

 

[Zavulon]

The USSR is only slightly removed from the 19th Century like in the 19th century, everything runs through Moscow.

Actually, not true.

You destroy communications - road, rail, data - into and out of Moscow the country shuts down.

It takes few weeks to rebuild railroads and even lesser time to rebuild most important roads.

5 (out of 14) Ohio class SSBN on patrol,, 20 missiles, 12x100kt warheads each, - 1200 warheads. More than plenty.

3 out of 5 are in Pacific and need days to take the positions to attack Moscow. At least one of two Atlantic submarines is sunk during first Russian attack (especially if you loaded 12 warheads per missiles, decreased missile range and send it too close to Russian water in forward patrolling area). The one survived Ohio has 3 warheads per missile. 3x20=60 warheads. And if the Russians attacked first - their population is already partly evacuated, partly sheltered and air defence is ready to intercept incoming missiles.
Almost all of incoming warheads will be intercepted by Russian ABD (which suppose to intercept at least 100 incoming warheads). May be few came through. But population of Moscow is in shelters, so they kill some tens of thousands of civilians and destroy say, 10% of Moscow buildings.
Russia retaliate in pretty limited way, by total elimination of New-York only (by tens of warheads). New-Yorkers doesn't have enough of shelters and it means that roughly 50% of them are dead.
Russia suggest a pretty generous peace treaty terms (America return Alaska to Russia, make California independent, but the USA will still exist as an independent state and even keep their chair in UN SC), and suggest to restrain from launching other nukes from other Ohio's. For every nuke dropped on Russia - Russia will drop twenty nukes on the USA, and, in this case, Russia will demand unconditional surrender of the USA.

China's cannot defend its ports from 1st-world attack submarines. Declare blockaded around the major ports, sink a couple cargo ships to gibe it teeth, and external trade stops. Economic collapse follows.
No nukes required.

Totally wishful thinking.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

 

[M14 Shooter]

Actually, not true.

Every bit true

It takes few weeks to rebuild railroads and even lesser time to rebuild most important roads.

You must have missed the part about 100kt warheads.

3 out of 5 are in Pacific and need days to take the positions to attack Moscow.....

You're talking out your ass.
Thanks for making it clear I need waste no more time on you.

 

[kyzr]

Yes. NATO countries hired Zelenskiy to attack DPR and LPR. The USA (and some other NATO members) illegally attacked Serbia in 1999 and Iraq in 2003.

In order:
1. No one hired Zelensky, except the Ukrainian voters. Not bad for a comedian.

2. No one attacked DPR & LPR, there was a Ukrainian civil war of sorts between pro-western & pro-Russian Ukrainians

3. The USA and NATO stopped the "ethnic cleansing" slaughter in Yugoslavia in 1999.

NATO bombing of Yugoslavia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

4. The US and NATO defeated Iraq in 2003 to ensure peace in the region. Bad guys always lose.

2003 invasion of Iraq - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Zavulon]

Every bit true

Are you banned in google? Just search some maps.

You must have missed the part about 100kt warheads.

Radius of severe destruction of 100 kt burst will be roughly 1 mile. It makes to restore 2 miles of railroad. Not a big deal. Actually, its even more simple for patching up.

You're talking out your ass.
Thanks for making it clear I need waste no more time on you.

The pleasure is all mine.

 

[Zavulon]

In order:
1. No one hired Zelensky, except the Ukrainian voters. Not bad for a comedian.

You pay him, you are responsible for his actions, too

2. No one attacked DPR & LPR, there was a Ukrainian civil war of sorts between pro-western & pro-Russian Ukrainians

It was a civil war in Ukraine until Russia, in the last attempt to keep peace, recognised independence of DPR and LPR. And then it became Ukrainian agression against two independent states, allies of Russia, and therefore - aggression against Russia itself.

3. The USA and NATO stopped the "ethnic cleansing" slaughter in Yugoslavia in 1999.

NATO bombing of Yugoslavia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They commited illegal and unprovoked act of aggresion against Serbia, they supported Muslim terrorism and Muslim slaughters and genocide of Serbs in Kosovo. What is even more important - they did it against the will of SC UN, and destroyed post WW2-world order.

4. The US and NATO defeated Iraq in 2003 to ensure peace in the region. Bad guys always lose.

2003 invasion of Iraq - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You committed illegal and unprovoked act of aggresion. Iraq didn't attack the USA or US allies, there were no sanction of SC UN. It is the fact. You are bad guys and you are going to lose.

 

[kyzr]

Yes, of course. We do prefer to pay high price for victory rather than to pay much higher price for defeat. And it is much better to lose tens of millions (and kill billions) rather than be genocided and lose 100% of population.

The only way Russia gets "genocided" is if it starts WW3.

GRU doesn't work inside Russia. FSB does. And my humble person is much below their radars. Russia is rather free country. If you are not committing obvious crimes - you can say whatever you want. I don't like personally Putin (or, to be specific, his scenic image), I don't like a lot of things in Russia (but it is not place or time to discuss them), but his goal - wealth and safety of Russian people I do like.

And, BTW, USMB is restricted in Russia, so its not very loyal even to discuss here. That's why I prefer not to tell other people about it at all.

Be careful. Maybe talking on here is a very dumb idea?

Plain lie. NATO does pretend to conquer at least Crimea and Novorussia. And the only reason for a NATO expansion - is preparation to attack Russia itself.

For the 1000th time, NATO doesn't conquer, it protects and defends. The US was pulling military out of the EU to save money until Russia stupidly attacked Ukraine.

Plain lie. NATO is an alliance of genocidal barbarians.

How many Russians did Stalin kill? Google says at least 20,000,000. Will Putin top that number with WW3?
Estimates of the number of deaths attributable to Joseph Stalin's regime vary widely, with some historians suggesting that he was responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people, including those executed, starved, or perished in labor camps. The exact numbers remain uncertain due to the complexities of historical data and differing interpretations.

"Brutal dictators and brainwashed goons" is even less realistic conception than "Dark Wizards and Army of Zombies". Putin is just a man. As any other man he has as much power as people gives him. Putin only does what Russians want him to do.

Putin is a brutal dictator, if anyone opposes him they end up dead. If real polls were allowed I'd bet Russians want the war ended

NATO and NATO members just committed numerous aggressions. NATO is not a country that wants to expand its borders, NATO stops other countries from invading other countries, thats why there were no major wars in Europe since WW2. NATO keeps the peace.

Ukraine is a part of Russian world. And yes, its the point where appeasement of NATO is ended.

That is the point of contention. Is Ukraine Russia's? Nope. Ukraine broke away from Russia when the USSR broke apart.

And Russia needs to eliminate the NATO threat.

That is just nonsense. NATO will keep Russia from invading other countries.

Zelenskiy is expired and this is plain fact. Stop funding him and his own people will leave him.

Zelensky is in Kiev and Putin is not. Putin needs to cut his losses and make a win-win peace deal,m to keep fighting is stupid.

Of course killing millions or even billions in a brutal war is more productive than allowing them to kill us.

You have it ass-backwards. The only way Russians get slaughtered is if they start WW3. Take the peace deal.

Peace and prosperity are possible only in the situation of equal rights and equal safety. And it is possible after elimination of Ukrainian (and Baltic) Nazies and rolling back

Russia will run out of stuff before NATO and Ukraine do. Again for the 1000th time there are no Nazis.

Of course we can and we will. One way or another.

If Russia attacks a NATO country they will be in a real war. Very bad idea.

Plain lie.

It is not a "plain lie" that Russia has nothing to fear from NATO, it is a defensive organization, and Ukraine is fighting to keep their independence are undeniable truths. The 2014 lines were stable until Russia invaded.

As if drug cartels are not Mexicans.

Not just Mexicans, Colombians, Guatemalans, Venezuelans, probably Chinese, etc. We're prepping Guantanamo for new guests.

Actually, no. People who are genetically prone to addictions are not "defective". They are just prone for searching new and fast studying.

If they are stupid enough to use fentanyl and end up dead, they are "defective".

Or, may be, he (as well as previous presidents) will continue support mass murders of his own people.

The stupid addicts create the market, and drug cartels sell the drugs. We'll soon see if Trump can take out the drug cartels.

I'm pretty skeptical about it. Trump is just a human being. Basically, he can do only two things "escalate" (and then we are in WW3) or "deescalate" (and then Russia is fighting anti-guerilla war in West Ukraine and support anti-Nazi rebellions in Baltic countries and Moldova). It might be better for the USA to make few steps back and rethink their further strategy, but there are too many influencers in his government.

Trump made a campaign promise to end the war, he generally keeps his promises. We'll see if he can end it peacefully.

 

[kyzr]

You pay him, you are responsible for his actions, too

Zelensky is doing just fine, he is keeping Ukraine independent, thanks to many brave men in the military.

It was a civil war in Ukraine until Russia, in the last attempt to keep peace, recognized independence of DPR and LPR. And then it became Ukrainian aggression against two independent states, allies of Russia, and therefore - aggression against Russia itself.

The 2014 lines were stable until Russia invaded Ukraine and got bogged down in an unwinnable war of attrition.

They committed illegal and unprovoked act of aggression against Serbia, they supported Muslim terrorism and Muslim slaughters and genocide of Serbs in Kosovo. What is even more important - they did it against the will of SC UN, and destroyed post WW2-world order.

They stopped the slaughter and kept the peace.

You committed illegal and unprovoked act of aggression. Iraq didn't attack the USA or US allies, there were no sanction of SC UN. It is the fact. You are bad guys and you are going to lose.

Yes, you are correct, but we killed a brutal dictator and gave Iraq their country back. We had Qaddafi killed too, that one worked out too, but it took longer. Brutal dictators need to get replaced.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/africa/libyan-leaders-agree-unified-government-intl/index.html

 

[Luckyone]

President Vladimir Putin said Russia’s ready for talks with the US on the war in Ukraine as he offered congratulations to Donald Trump on his inauguration as president. Russia welcomed Trump’s desire to restore direct contacts and his statements on the need to prevent a third world war, he said. “We are open to dialogue with the new US administration on the Ukrainian conflict,” Putin said. “Its goal should not be a short truce, not some kind of respite for regrouping forces and rearmament with the aim of subsequently continuing the conflict, but a long-term peace based on respect for the legitimate interests of all people, all nations that live in this region.”
Putin has said repeatedly that he’s open to talks about a settlement to Russia’s nearly three-year-long war, even as he also insists he won’t give up territories that his army seized in the east and south of Ukraine since he ordered the full-scale invasion. Moreover, Putin will only make a deal if Ukraine reduces its army and refuses to join NATO altogether. Even before his inauguration, Trump said he understood the Russian president in this regard, so he would be willing to make concessions in addition to his own plan to pressure Russia to end the war.

***Mod Edit: Added link Putin calls Trump 'clever' and suggests talks, including over Ukraine​

He took office on January 20th and today is the 29th. Nine days have passed and no resolution to the conflict. Was Trump conning people to get their votes, or plainly a blow hard?

 

[Zavulon]

The only way Russia gets "genocided" is if it starts WW3.

Of course no. Western barbarians tried to genocide Russians also during WW2, WW1, Napoleon invasion, Northern wars, Time of Troubles, Northern Crusades and so on.... Western barbarians genocided a lot of people, and Russia is not something exceptional for them.
The only way to prevent genocide is to win WW3.

Be careful. Maybe talking on here is a very dumb idea?

I'm careful. Any suggestions about safer place to talk?

For the 1000th time, NATO doesn't conquer, it protects and defends.

You can repeat it as many times as you want, but it is still plain lie. NATO members invaded many countries.

The US was pulling military out of the EU to save money until Russia stupidly attacked Ukraine.

Ukraine is not in the USA, so it's not your freaking business. And no, it were NATO proxies who'd attacked and overthroned legally elected Ukrainian government.

How many Russians did Stalin kill? Google says at least 20,000,000. Will Putin top that number with WW3?

May be. And if Russia wins - he'll be recorded in history as a saviour of Russia.

Estimates of the number of deaths attributable to Joseph Stalin's regime vary widely, with some historians suggesting that he was responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people, including those executed, starved, or perished in labor camps. The exact numbers remain uncertain due to the complexities of historical data and differing interpretations.

It all was justified by survival of Russian people.

Putin is a brutal dictator, if anyone opposes him they end up dead.

We are human beings. We are always opposing each other. Even teenagers oppose to their parents. And if Putin do something really wrong - he'll be dead as well.

If real polls were allowed I'd bet Russians want the war ended

There are real polls. Putin's life depends on his correct understanding of what the Russian want. Of course many Russians do want the end of the war. The only question is in the acceptable terms of the peace.

That is the point of contention. Is Ukraine Russia's? Nope. Ukraine broke away from Russia when the USSR broke apart.

Here we are coming to our definitions. Russia in narrow meaning - is the Russia Federation (aka Great Russia), as America in narrow definition is the United States of America.
But in wider meaning, the word Russia means not only Great Russia (Russian Federation), but also Small Russia (Ukraine), White Russia (Belarus), Black Russia (parts of Poland and Lithuania), etc... Canada is not "America" in narrow political meaning, but it is "America" in wider, geographical meaning.

That is just nonsense. NATO will keep Russia from invading other countries.

We'll see. I'm pretty sure they won't.

Zelensky is in Kiev and Putin is not. Putin needs to cut his losses and make a win-win peace deal,m to keep fighting is stupid.

Hitler was also in Berlin in February of 1945, but it didn't mean that Russians and Americans shouldn't have continue the war.

There is no any "win-win" in letting NATO in Ukraine. "Win" in Ukraine means denazification, demilitarization and neutral status of Ukraine.

You have it ass-backwards. The only way Russians get slaughtered is if they start WW3.

No. It wasn't Russia, who started WW3. But we are going to win it.

Take the peace deal.

And leave 20 mln of Russians to the mercy of Ukrainian Nazies and NATO soldiers? If those are terms of peace deal - no, it won't work.

Russia will run out of stuff before NATO and Ukraine do.

Of course no. Russia will start usage nukes long before it.

Again for the 1000th time there are no Nazis.

Denialism is a form of support. More times you say, that Ukrainian nazies are not Nazies, more you make clear that not only Ukraine, but the USA too, demands denazification.

If Russia attacks a NATO country they will be in a real war. Very bad idea.

Its better than allow to kill us without war.

It is not a "plain lie" that Russia has nothing to fear from NATO, it is a defensive organization, and Ukraine is fighting to keep their independence are undeniable truths.

It is undeniable truth that NATO, by its goals and structure is an anti-Russian military organisation.

Not just Mexicans, Colombians, Guatemalans, Venezuelans, probably Chinese, etc.

And Russians, of course. Los Russos cartel is almost official department of GRU.

We're prepping Guantanamo for new guests.

As if they are going to surrender without fight. You supplied Ukrainian Nazies - Russia and China will supply Latinoamerican drug-dealers.

If they are stupid enough to use fentanyl and end up dead, they are "defective".

If they don't believe another people and wanna try something restricted - they are not "defective".

The stupid addicts create the market, and drug cartels sell the drugs. We'll soon see if Trump can take out the drug cartels.

Of course no. Drug market is a market of seller. Sane people don't demand drugs

Trump made a campaign promise to end the war, he generally keeps his promises. We'll see if he can end it peacefully.

I'm almost sure he can't.

 

[Zavulon]

Zelensky is doing just fine, he is keeping Ukraine independent, thanks to many brave men in the military.

According your own logic, Zelenskiy is a brutal dictator and he should be removed.

The 2014 lines were stable until Russia invaded Ukraine and got bogged down in an unwinnable war of attrition.

They were stable until US administrations started supply Kievan regime with new weapons and prepare them to attack Donbass.

They stopped the slaughter and kept the peace.

That is exactly, what we are going to do. We need the lasting, reliable peace, which is obviously impossible while Nazi scum are poisoning atmosphere with their breath.

Yes, you are correct, but we killed a brutal dictator and gave Iraq their country back. We had Qaddafi killed too, that one worked out too, but it took longer. Brutal dictators need to get replaced.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/africa/libyan-leaders-agree-unified-government-intl/index.html

Ok. Let's replace Zelenskiy and Trump. Who said, that Trump isn't a "brutal dictator"?

 

[kyzr]

According your own logic, Zelenskiy is a brutal dictator and he should be removed.

Trump and Zelensky are democratically elected, they do not kill their political opponents like Putin.

They were stable until US administrations started supply Kievan regime with new weapons and prepare them to attack Donbass.

Nonsense. There was no justification for Putin's invasion.

That is exactly, what we are going to do. We need the lasting, reliable peace, which is obviously impossible while Nazi scum are poisoning atmosphere with their breath.

There are no Nazis, Hitler is long dead. Take Trump's peace deal and call it a win.

 

[kyzr]

Of course not. Western barbarians tried to genocide Russians also during WW2, WW1, Napoleon invasion, Northern wars, Time of Troubles, Northern Crusades and so on.... Western barbarians genocided a lot of people, and Russia is not something exceptional for them.
The only way to prevent genocide is to win WW3.

Western barbarians saved Russia's ass during WW2. Taking war supplies to Murmansk losing many ships to U-boats. You're welcome.

I'm careful. Any suggestions about safer place to talk?

No clue. Just saying that if the FSB doesn't like what you say you can end up visiting a Gulag. I understand that you need to promote the "party lines".

You can repeat it as many times as you want, but it is still plain lie. NATO members invaded many countries.

NATO never threatened Russia with invasion, NATO protected countries from invasion by Russia.

Ukraine is not in the USA, so it's not your freaking business. And no, it was NATO proxies who attacked and overthrew legally elected Ukrainian government.

The Maidan Revolution was by Ukrainians not NATO proxies. Because they prefer western style democracies rather than to be under Putin's thumb. It is their choice, and now they are defending it.

...and if Russia wins WW3- Putin will be recorded in history as a savior of Russia.

No one wins WW3. Putin will be recorded as a brutal dictator.

Stalin's murder of 20,000,000 people was justified by survival of Russian people.

20,000,000 more Russians would have survived without Stalin. That was a big percentage of the population back then.

We are human beings. We are always opposing each other. Even teenagers oppose to their parents. And if Putin do something really wrong - he'll be dead as well

Russia will be better without Putin. Gorbachev was more or less a normal president, Yeltsin was a riot, dancing on tanks, those were the good old days.

There are real polls. Putin's life depends on his correct understanding of what the Russians want. Of course many Russians do want the end of the war. The only question is in the acceptable terms of the peace.

Yes, Putin and Trump need to agree to terms and end the war.

Here we are coming to our definitions. Russia in narrow meaning - is the Russia Federation (aka Great Russia), as America in narrow definition is the United States of America. But in wider meaning, the word Russia means not only Great Russia (Russian Federation), but also Small Russia (Ukraine), White Russia (Belarus), Black Russia (parts of Poland and Lithuania), etc... Canada is not "America" in narrow political meaning, but it is "America" in wider, geographical meaning.

There is only the "narrow definition" of Russia and the USA. There is no "Great Russia" any more. Ukraine is independent of Russia, Belarus is also independent, Poland and Lithuania are members of NATO. If Putin wants Ukraine, why didn't he capture Belarus first? His army was staged in Belarus before invading Ukraine. If you look at a map, having either Ukraine or Belarus without the other looks stupid. Ukrainians do not speak Russian. Putin should take Crimea and call it a win.

We'll see. I'm pretty sure they won't.

Putin is not stupid enough to invade a NATO country. If he is, he'll regret it. He can't even defeat Ukraine.

Hitler was also in Berlin in February of 1945, but it didn't mean that Russians and Americans shouldn't have continued the war.

Point being that if Putin captured Kiev in 3-days, as he thought, the war would be over. Putin could not capture Kiev in 3-days or even 3-years. Its a major blunder by Putin.

There is no "win-win" in letting NATO in Ukraine. "Win" in Ukraine means denazification, demilitarization and neutral status of Ukraine.

Ukraine can't trust Russia's treaties, Putin violated the Budapest Memorandum, and he would invade Ukraine again. The only way Ukraine agrees to peace is if they enter NATO. They could agree to no "offensive or nuclear weapons" in Ukraine. There are no fucking Nazis in Ukraine.

No. It wasn't Russia, who started WW3. But we are going to win it.

Whoever uses nuclear weapons first starts WW3. There is no "winning" WW3 living in a radioactive wasteland.

And leave 20 mln of Russians to the mercy of Ukrainian Nazies and NATO soldiers? If those are terms of peace deal - no, it won't work.

What 20m Russians? There are no Russians in Ukraine. There are no Nazis. Your positions are nonsense. The peace deal will look like 2014 with NATO on Ukraine's side keeping Putin on his side of the border.

Of course no. Russia will start usage nukes long before it.

Does it make sense using nukes on the country you want to capture? No it does not. Russia will run out of money and weapons before Ukraine and NATO do.

Denialism is a form of support. More times you say, that Ukrainian nazies are not Nazies, more you make clear that not only Ukraine, but the USA too, demands denazification.

There are no swastikas on Ukrainian Army uniforms. There are no Nazis in Ukraine. There is no justification for Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Here is what a Ukrainian army uniform patch looks like.

Its better than to allow NATO to kill us without war.

NATO doesn't kill Russians.

It is undeniable truth that NATO, by its goals and structure is an anti-Russian military organisation.

True. NATO was formed to keep Russia from invading NATO members. NATO has worked well since 1945, until Putin invaded Ukraine.

And Russians, of course. Los Russos cartel is almost official department of GRU.

If they are caught they will be sent to prison.

As if they are going to surrender without fight. You supplied Ukrainian Nazies - Russia and China will supply Latin-American drug-dealers.

Fine. Watch what happens to the drug cartels. There are no Ukrainian Nazis.

If they don't believe another people and wanna try something restricted - they are not "defective".

If they are stupid enough to buy and use drugs they are defective as well as dead.

I'm almost sure Trump can't end the war.

We'll soon see.

 

[Zavulon]

Western barbarians saved Russia's ass during WW2. Taking war supplies to Murmansk losing many ships to U-boats. You're welcome.

One group of western barbarians were helping us against other group of western barbarians. Thank you very much, but it doesn't make them somehow different from each other.

NATO never threatened Russia with invasion, NATO protected countries from invasion by Russia.

Plain lie. NATO countries (its European part) officially declared that their final goal is "decolonisation of Russia", i.e. - genocide of Russian people.

The Maidan Revolution was by Ukrainians not NATO proxies.

Those Ukrainians who did it - they were NATO proxies. Paid and ruled by NATO countries.

Because they prefer western style democracies rather than to be under Putin's thumb. It is their choice, and now they are defending it.

Banderlogs are defending their choice, Vatniks are defending their choice. And 80% of ordinary people just try to survive in all this mess.

No one wins WW3. Putin will be recorded as a brutal dictator.

Plain lie. We are going to win WW3.

20,000,000 more Russians would have survived without Stalin. That was a big percentage of the population back then.

No. Without Stalin, highly likely, 100% of Russians (Jews, Tatars, Buryats and other peoples) would be genocided by the Europeans.

Russia will be better without Putin. Gorbachev was more or less a normal president, Yeltsin was a riot, dancing on tanks, those were the good old days.

If you think that Gorbachev was "more or less normal" - why don't you want to have your own Gorbachev, who will destroy NATO and the USA?

Yes, Putin and Trump need to agree to terms and end the war.

Our terms are pretty simple. Trump can agree or disagree with them. On first case we are going denazificate Ukraine. In latter - denazificate both Ukraine and the USA.

There is only the "narrow definition" of Russia and the USA. There is no "Great Russia" any more.

Of course it is.

Ukraine is independent of Russia, Belarus is also independent, Poland and Lithuania are members of NATO. If Putin wants Ukraine, why didn't he capture Belarus first?

Putin doesn't want capture territory. His goal is wealth and safety of Russian people. If Belarus is not threat (and doesn't want to join NATO) there is no reason to capture it.

His army was staged in Belarus before invading Ukraine. If you look at a map, having either Ukraine or Belarus without the other looks stupid. Ukrainians do not speak Russian.

Plain lie. Ukrainians do speak Russian.

Putin should take Crimea and call it a win.

Its not about saying something. Its about actual safety. And no, you can't "give" Crimea. Its not yours. You can give us Alaska.

Putin is not stupid enough to invade a NATO country. If he is, he'll regret it. He can't even defeat Ukraine.

Really? We'll see. If NATO countries are stupid enough to discriminate Russians (and they are) they definitely deserved a little lesson.

Point being that if Putin captured Kiev in 3-days, as he thought, the war would be over. Putin could not capture Kiev in 3-days or even 3-years. Its a major blunder by Putin.

Bla-bla-bla. Nobody said that Putin (or anybody else) will capture Kiev in 3 days. As I said - we are not in city grabbing business. We are in Nazi-killing business, and business is going quite well.

Ukraine can't trust Russia's treaties, Putin violated the Budapest Memorandum, and he would invade Ukraine again.

And Russia can't trust US treaties. And yes, if Ukraine is not denazificated properly - next day after treaty is signed there will be anti-Nazi rebellions in Odessa and Kharkov.

The only way Ukraine agrees to peace is if they enter NATO.

Of course, its not the only way. In fact, its not even a possible way. The best (and looks like, the only possible) way to coerce Ukraine in peace is to kill all Nazies.

They could agree to no "offensive or nuclear weapons" in Ukraine.

They already "agreed" about "no one inch eastwars" and about "no permanent military installations in Eastern europe". Words are cheap, and US words cost nothing.

There are no fucking Nazis in Ukraine.

Have you ever been to Alaska or Florida? If no, may be some of your friends or other people whom you believe have been? I think, you can agree that it is cold in Alaska and hot in Florida. It's your first hand, or second hand experience, isn't it?
If someone is saying that Alaska isn't cold (or Florida isn't hot), you may have basically two main explanations for his words. First - the person who said it, just doesn't have a slightest clue what is he talking about. Second one - he came from the land colder than Alaska (or hotter than Florida).
Banderovci are Nazies. It is pretty plain fact, as true as "Alaska is cold". When you denie it it might mean that you doesn't understand what are you mumbling about, or it might means that the USA is even more Nazi state than even western Ukraine.

Whoever uses nuclear weapons first starts WW3. There is no "winning" WW3 living in a radioactive wasteland.

Don't be silly. Living in radioactive wasteland is definitely much better than death in eco-friendly death camps.

What 20m Russians? There are no Russians in Ukraine.

Of there are. If you don't believe me - ask google statistics about language they use in searching requests.

There are no Nazis.

Of course there are. Or, may be, you are more nazies than Banderovci.

Your positions are nonsense. The peace deal will look like 2014 with NATO on Ukraine's side keeping Putin on his side of the border.

No. Peace deal will include Zelenskiy and his cronies hanging on the Maidan square.

Does it make sense using nukes on the country you want to capture? No it does not.

Of course it does. As I said many times - its not about "capturing territories". Its about killing Nazies. We want to kill them all (or, may be, "you all") and nukes is the good choice for this job.

Russia will run out of money and weapons before Ukraine and NATO do.

Of course no. Even if Russia is running out of conventional weapons (Russia can print money if necessary), Russia can always escalate to using nukes (if we are talking about European war), or nukes, chemical and biological weapons if we are talking about large-scale war.

There are no swastikas on Ukrainian Army uniforms. There are no Nazis in Ukraine. There is no justification for Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Here is what a Ukrainian army uniform patch looks like.
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Being Nazi doesn't mean "to wear swastikas". Being Nazi means "to hate Russians".

NATO doesn't kill Russians.

Of course you do. Your facilitation became participation in the moment you used long-range weapons against undisputed Russian territory.

 

[Zavulon]

Trump and Zelensky are democratically elected, they do not kill their political opponents like Putin.

Zelenskiy definitely do it. Biden, looks like, tried to do it. And, anyway, we are not in a court. If just declaring someone as "brutal dictator" is good enough justification - we can declare anybody dictator.

Nonsense. There was no justification for Putin's invasion.

Plain lie. Collective self-defense is justification.

There are no Nazis, Hitler is long dead.

It depends on the terms we use.

Take Trump's peace deal and call it a win.

Trump didn't suggest anything meaningful yet. And, given his actions - he is quite unlikely to accept Russia's peace terms (or even understand what is this conflict is about). Therefore the war will continue and the war will escalate.

 

[kyzr]

Zelenskiy definitely kills political opponents. Biden, looks like, tried to do it. And, anyway, we are not in a court. If just declaring someone as "brutal dictator" is good enough justification - we can declare anybody dictator.

Here's the list of people Putin had killed. Its a long list. We all know Russian elections are a fraud.

Full list of Putin critics who have died in mysterious circumstances

Numerous critics of Russian President Vladimir Putin have died in mysterious circumstances throughout his reign.

www.newsweek.com

Plain lie. Collective self-defense is justification for Russia's invasion. The word "Nazis" depends on the terms we use to describe them.

Russia was not threatened by Ukraine, there was no justification for invasion, the 2014 lines were stable.

Trump didn't suggest anything meaningful yet. And, given his actions - he is quite unlikely to accept Russia's peace terms (or even understand what is this conflict is about). Therefore the war will continue and the war will escalate.

Probably right, but I hope Trump can make a deal that stops escalation.

 

[kyzr]

One group of western barbarians were helping us against other group of western barbarians. Thank you very much, but it doesn't make them somehow different from each other.

You can't compare Germany under Hitler to Germany today. The USA tries to keep the peace, but if a brutal dictator wants to make trouble, they usually end up dead or out of power. We'll see.

Plain lie. NATO countries (its European part) officially declared that their final goal is "decolonisation of Russia", i.e. - genocide of Russian people.

Provide a link for that statement. It makes no sense to me since NATO is a defensive organization. I also don't understand what "decolonisation" of Russia means. Decolonization is what the US did to Britain in 1776, we threw them out. Decolonisation and genocide are totally different.

Those Ukrainians who did it - they were NATO proxies. Paid and ruled by NATO countries. Banderite are defending their choice, Vatniks are defending their choice. And 80% of ordinary people just try to survive in all this mess.

Banderites (OUN) happened in the 1930s and 1940s not now. No justification for war.

Full list of Putin critics who have died in mysterious circumstances

Numerous critics of Russian President Vladimir Putin have died in mysterious circumstances throughout his reign.

www.newsweek.com

Plain lie. We are going to win WW3.

Very very wrong. No one wins WW3.

No. Without Stalin, highly likely, 100% of Russians (Jews, Tatars, Buryats and other peoples) would be genocided by the Europeans.

Don't confuse Hitler's Nazis with Europeans. Generally Europeans are liberal/socialist very peaceful.

If you think that Gorbachev was "more or less normal" - why don't you want to have your own Gorbachev, who will destroy NATO and the USA?

Gorbachev was smart, he saw Communism was not working and had the balls to change the course of history. If he did not dissolve the USSR it would have ended up like one of Litwin's posts of 30 tiny countries. Unfortunately Putin became dictator instead of allowing a real democracy to grow.

Our terms are pretty simple. Trump can agree or disagree with them. On first case we are going denazificate Ukraine. In later - denazificate both Ukraine and the USA.

There are no Nazis.

Of course it is.

There is no Great Russia, only Narrow Russia.

Plain lie. Ukrainians do speak Russian.

True. Crimea was Russia until 1954 when Kruschev gave it to Ukraine. East Ukraine (Donbas) was already Russia's in 2014. Putin has no business attacking Ukraine.

Its not about saying something. Its about actual safety. And no, you can't "give" Crimea. Its not yours. You can give us Alaska.

Ukraine can give Crimea, it is/was theirs. Putin should take the win and end the war. If not NATO can really get serious and double their military budgets, while putting crippling sanctions on Russia.

Really? We'll see. If NATO countries are stupid enough to discriminate Russians (and they are) they definitely deserved a little lesson.

Talk is cheap, lets see if Putin is stupid enough to attack a NATO country.

Bla-bla-bla. Nobody said that Putin (or anybody else) will capture Kiev in 3 days. As I said - we are not in city grabbing business. We are in Nazi-killing business, and business is going quite well.

Google it. There are many links

Putin 'is deluded and thought he would conquer Ukraine in three days'

Leaked documents reveal Putin's spies fed him false information and had no backup plan in the build-up to the invasion of Ukraine.

metro.co.uk

And Russia can't trust US treaties. And yes, if Ukraine is not denazificated properly - next day after treaty is signed there will be anti-Nazi rebellions in Odessa and Kharkov.

There is no "trust" which is why NATO will enforce the borders.

They already "agreed" about "not one inch eastwards" and about "no permanent military installations in Eastern Europe". Words are cheap, and US words cost nothing.

If Putin didn't invade Ukraine there would be no war, no one trusts Russia. Russia only understands strength.Banderovci are Nazies. It is pretty plain fact, as true as "Alaska is cold". When you denie it it might mean that you doesn't understand what are you mumbling about, or it might means that the USA is even more Nazi state than even western Ukraine.

Don't be silly. Living in radioactive wasteland is definitely much better than death in eco-friendly death camps.

Scientifically absurd.

No. Peace deal will include Zelenskiy and his cronies hanging on the Maidan square.

I don't see that happening.

Of course it does. As I said many times - its not about "capturing territories". Its about killing Nazies. We want to kill them all (or, may be, "you all") and nukes is the good choice for this job.

Be careful what you wish for. Using nukes is not the answer, its the end.

Of course no. Even if Russia is running out of conventional weapons (Russia can print money if necessary), Russia can always escalate to using nukes (if we are talking about European war), or nukes, chemical and biological weapons if we are talking about large-scale war.

You seem inclined to use nukes instead of taking a peace deal. Most unfortunate.

Being Nazi doesn't mean "to wear swastikas". Being Nazi means "to hate Russians".

Not in most languages.

Nazism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course you do. Your facilitation became participation in the moment you used long-range weapons against undisputed Russian territory.

NATO did not launch the weapons, Ukraine did, and the targets were military, not to kill Russian civilians, like Russian drones do.

 

[Zavulon]

Here's the list of people Putin had killed. Its a long list. We all know Russian elections are a fraud.

Full list of Putin critics who have died in mysterious circumstances

Numerous critics of Russian President Vladimir Putin have died in mysterious circumstances throughout his reign.

www.newsweek.com

Just another lie. And don't forget about people killed by Killary and other American politicians.

Russia was not threatened by Ukraine, there was no justification for invasion, the 2014 lines were stable.

Russia is threatened by NATO, and there is no justification for NATO expansion. Kievan Nazi regime is murdering Russian people. It's further existence (in current form) is unacceptable.

Probably right, but I hope Trump can make a deal that stops escalation.

He doesn't need to "make a deal". All what he needs to achieve a reliable peace, is to return NATO military infrastructure to 1997 borders.

 

[Zavulon]

You can't compare Germany under Hitler to Germany today.

Of course I can and I do. Germany (and the whole Europe) is the same. Leopard can't change its spots. I can even compare Hitler's Germany with Trump's America. And many people (even in the USA) do it.

The USA tries to keep the peace, but if a brutal dictator wants to make trouble, they usually end up dead or out of power. We'll see.

To keep the peace, the USA needs only one thing - don't get involved.

Provide a link for that statement.

You forgot to add "please". But anyway, of you are banned in google, its here:

https://www.oscepa.org/en/documents/annual-sessions/2024-bucharest/declaration-30/5029-bucharest-declaration-eng/file

It makes no sense to me since NATO is a defensive organization. I also don't understand what "decolonisation" of Russia means.

I already said you. Decolonisation of Russia means genocide of Russians.

Decolonization is what the US did to Britain in 1776, we threw them out. Decolonisation and genocide are totally different.

Of course no. "Decolonisation" is what Latinoamerican and Native American revanchists (Indians for short) would make to you, by killing all Americans of European, Asian or African origin.

Banderites (OUN) happened in the 1930s and 1940s not now. No justification for war.

Full list of Putin critics who have died in mysterious circumstances

Numerous critics of Russian President Vladimir Putin have died in mysterious circumstances throughout his reign.

www.newsweek.com

Its simply not true. Ukrainians nationalists were invented by Austrians in the end of XIX century, and they are still alive and kicking.

Very very wrong. No one wins WW3.

We are going to win it. In the worst case we'll be in the good company in Hell.

Don't confuse Hitler's Nazis with Europeans. Generally Europeans are liberal/socialist very peaceful.

Of course no. Europeans invade Russia at least twice a century. Hitler was not a some dark magician, who totally transformed peaceful Europeans into a bloodlusting monsters by a swing of a magic wand.
Europeans are europeans. Hitler was just one of their leaders.

Gorbachev was smart, he saw Communism was not working and had the balls to change the course of history. If he did not dissolve the USSR it would have ended up like one of Litwin's posts of 30 tiny countries. Unfortunately Putin became dictator instead of allowing a real democracy to grow.

Actually we do the same things as real democracies do.

There are no Nazis.

Ok. Let's take is as a confession that you are nazies.

True. Crimea was Russia until 1954 when Kruschev gave it to Ukraine. East Ukraine (Donbas) was already Russia's in 2014. Putin has no business attacking Ukraine.

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Plain lie. All Ukrainians do speak Russian, and "Ukrainian language" is just an artificial dialect of Russian.

Ukraine can give Crimea, it is/was theirs. Putin should take the win and end the war. If not NATO can really get serious and double their military budgets, while putting crippling sanctions on Russia.

And Russia can nuke NATO. No problem.

Talk is cheap, lets see if Putin is stupid enough to attack a NATO country.

We'll see.

Google it. There are many links

Putin 'is deluded and thought he would conquer Ukraine in three days'

Leaked documents reveal Putin's spies fed him false information and had no backup plan in the build-up to the invasion of Ukraine.

metro.co.uk

There is no "trust" which is why NATO will enforce the borders.

No. There is no trust, which is why NATO should roll back to at least 1997 borders.

If Putin didn't invade Ukraine there would be no war, no one trusts Russia.

Plain lie. The only reason for NATO expansion is their preparations to attack Russia.

Be careful what you wish for. Using nukes is not the answer, its the end.

May be, it will be put the end to war, or to NATO existence.

You seem inclined to use nukes instead of taking a peace deal. Most unfortunate.

Of course we prefer peace deal. All sane people do. The only question is the terms of the deal. You are not seems ready to accept our terms of peace, thats why usage of nukes seems to be the only choice.

Not in most languages.

Nazism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ok. Just know, what do we mean when we say "Nazi". We are going to eliminate those, who are "Nazies" in our understanding of the term.

NATO did not launch the weapons, Ukraine did, and the targets were military, not to kill Russian civilians, like Russian drones do.

NATO supplies them with the weapon, with intelligence information and operating personal, the launch was permitted by US leadership.
Yes, the distinguish between "facilitation" and "participation" is quite arbitrary, but if a Russian-build "auxiliary cruiser", with Russian sailors (may be with a formal Mexican Cartel captain) and Russian cruise missiles, with direct permission of Russian leadership, attack US Fleet base, you, pretty likely, will see it as a Russian attack.
There is the difference between Russian SA-complex crew, shooting down a US plane in the skies of Vietnam (which is facilitation), and a Russian SS-complex crew attacking US Army bases on the soil of the USA (which is participation). And this difference makes the difference between "peripheral proxy war" and a "direct central war".