Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[beagle9]

. What part of this don't you understand that when these things happen in such a tragic situation, that they are highly unique in nature ? This is why it forces the hand to look deeper into the entire event, and this is in order to make sure that such an event doesn't become a routine type event used by a population that has become so fractured, that it is almost impossible to know when or where the next event will occur. The only thing we can do is limit the damage by taking out some of the tools that made the horrific event so deadly. The bumpstock needs to go because it allowed the rate of fire to be so great that 58 souls lost their lives & 500 more we're maimed and injured in a 10 minute time span. That is unexceptable by any sane people's standards. Using time stats based upon crime in the country is a distraction that is used to cloud the issue.

The bump stock saved lives. His accuracy was diminished because of that stock. Paris has proven beyond doubt that you can't prevent anything from happening. Your laughable assertion that by banning the bump stock this would somehow have prevented this asshole from getting one is absurd. He planned this for months. I have talked at length with one of the lead FBI agents and he states that the asshole was researching the attack for at least half a year based on his google searches. Based on what law enforcement knows it would have been better to ban google than any of the other tools he used.

. Listen now, you ain't talking to an idiot here, so please don't give me this bullcrap about the bumpstock saving lives. When you have thousands of people cornered in a corral with no where to run, do you think that Paddock gave a crap about accuracy ???? He knew what he was doing in his choosing of the weapons he used, and his choosing was as accurate as any one could have imagined.

Yes, the bump stock saved lives. After his initial burst of fire when everyone was packed in like sardines, his hit rate plummeted. Had he not been using the bump stock he would have hit far more people. Further the bump stock caused his weapon to jam at least twice that we know of, and the usage of the bump stock wears the shooter out very quickly, there was a long pause as he was resting, that is all thanks to the bump stock.

I am not claiming you're an idiot, but you don't know how bump stocks work, their reliability issues, and the loss of accuracy when guns are fired full auto.

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

. How does my definition in part there of not apply as well ? It's the same thing, but thanks for not addressing the post with a response that leads to solutions, but of course you didn't.

 

[beagle9]

. What part of this don't you understand that when these things happen in such a tragic situation, that they are highly unique in nature ? This is why it forces the hand to look deeper into the entire event, and this is in order to make sure that such an event doesn't become a routine type event used by a population that has become so fractured, that it is almost impossible to know when or where the next event will occur. The only thing we can do is limit the damage by taking out some of the tools that made the horrific event so deadly. The bumpstock needs to go because it allowed the rate of fire to be so great that 58 souls lost their lives & 500 more we're maimed and injured in a 10 minute time span. That is unexceptable by any sane people's standards. Using time stats based upon crime in the country is a distraction that is used to cloud the issue.

The bump stock saved lives. His accuracy was diminished because of that stock. Paris has proven beyond doubt that you can't prevent anything from happening. Your laughable assertion that by banning the bump stock this would somehow have prevented this asshole from getting one is absurd. He planned this for months. I have talked at length with one of the lead FBI agents and he states that the asshole was researching the attack for at least half a year based on his google searches. Based on what law enforcement knows it would have been better to ban google than any of the other tools he used.

. Listen now, you ain't talking to an idiot here, so please don't give me this bullcrap about the bumpstock saving lives. When you have thousands of people cornered in a corral with no where to run, do you think that Paddock gave a crap about accuracy ???? He knew what he was doing in his choosing of the weapons he used, and his choosing was as accurate as any one could have imagined.

Yes, the bump stock saved lives. After his initial burst of fire when everyone was packed in like sardines, his hit rate plummeted. Had he not been using the bump stock he would have hit far more people. Further the bump stock caused his weapon to jam at least twice that we know of, and the usage of the bump stock wears the shooter out very quickly, there was a long pause as he was resting, that is all thanks to the bump stock.

I am not claiming you're an idiot, but you don't know how bump stocks work, their reliability issues, and the loss of accuracy when guns are fired full auto.

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

And what does this have to do with what Paddock done with the asault rifle fitted with a bumpstock to make it an automatic weapon able to lay down fire in a rate that caused the deaths of 58, and mamed 500 in ten minutes ?? Don't give me this crap about protecting ourselves from who ever when y'all sat back and let this country get as bad as it is now.

 

[westwall]

The bump stock saved lives. His accuracy was diminished because of that stock. Paris has proven beyond doubt that you can't prevent anything from happening. Your laughable assertion that by banning the bump stock this would somehow have prevented this asshole from getting one is absurd. He planned this for months. I have talked at length with one of the lead FBI agents and he states that the asshole was researching the attack for at least half a year based on his google searches. Based on what law enforcement knows it would have been better to ban google than any of the other tools he used.

. Listen now, you ain't talking to an idiot here, so please don't give me this bullcrap about the bumpstock saving lives. When you have thousands of people cornered in a corral with no where to run, do you think that Paddock gave a crap about accuracy ???? He knew what he was doing in his choosing of the weapons he used, and his choosing was as accurate as any one could have imagined.

Yes, the bump stock saved lives. After his initial burst of fire when everyone was packed in like sardines, his hit rate plummeted. Had he not been using the bump stock he would have hit far more people. Further the bump stock caused his weapon to jam at least twice that we know of, and the usage of the bump stock wears the shooter out very quickly, there was a long pause as he was resting, that is all thanks to the bump stock.

I am not claiming you're an idiot, but you don't know how bump stocks work, their reliability issues, and the loss of accuracy when guns are fired full auto.

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

And what does this have to do with what Paddock done with the asault rifle fitted with a bumpstock to make it an automatic weapon able to lay down fire in a rate that caused the deaths of 58, and mamed 500 in ten minutes ?? Don't give me this crap about protecting ourselves from who ever when y'all sat back and let this country get as bad as it is now.

His initial burst of fire is where most of the damage was done. After that his hit rate plummeted. I suggest you go someplace that rents machineguns and try and hit something with them. Even at short range you will have a tremendous amount of difficulty doing so.

 

[beagle9]

. What part of this don't you understand that when these things happen in such a tragic situation, that they are highly unique in nature ? This is why it forces the hand to look deeper into the entire event, and this is in order to make sure that such an event doesn't become a routine type event used by a population that has become so fractured, that it is almost impossible to know when or where the next event will occur. The only thing we can do is limit the damage by taking out some of the tools that made the horrific event so deadly. The bumpstock needs to go because it allowed the rate of fire to be so great that 58 souls lost their lives & 500 more we're maimed and injured in a 10 minute time span. That is unexceptable by any sane people's standards. Using time stats based upon crime in the country is a distraction that is used to cloud the issue.

The bump stock saved lives. His accuracy was diminished because of that stock. Paris has proven beyond doubt that you can't prevent anything from happening. Your laughable assertion that by banning the bump stock this would somehow have prevented this asshole from getting one is absurd. He planned this for months. I have talked at length with one of the lead FBI agents and he states that the asshole was researching the attack for at least half a year based on his google searches. Based on what law enforcement knows it would have been better to ban google than any of the other tools he used.

. Listen now, you ain't talking to an idiot here, so please don't give me this bullcrap about the bumpstock saving lives. When you have thousands of people cornered in a corral with no where to run, do you think that Paddock gave a crap about accuracy ???? He knew what he was doing in his choosing of the weapons he used, and his choosing was as accurate as any one could have imagined.

Yes, the bump stock saved lives. After his initial burst of fire when everyone was packed in like sardines, his hit rate plummeted. Had he not been using the bump stock he would have hit far more people. Further the bump stock caused his weapon to jam at least twice that we know of, and the usage of the bump stock wears the shooter out very quickly, there was a long pause as he was resting, that is all thanks to the bump stock.

I am not claiming you're an idiot, but you don't know how bump stocks work, their reliability issues, and the loss of accuracy when guns are fired full auto.

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

. LOL... Did you say it was only created to keep the enemies head down, and not to hit them or kill them while keeping their heads down ??? Good grief... Last I recall, machine guns killed, kept heads down, and the bullets hit anything and everything in it's path.

 

[beagle9]

. Listen now, you ain't talking to an idiot here, so please don't give me this bullcrap about the bumpstock saving lives. When you have thousands of people cornered in a corral with no where to run, do you think that Paddock gave a crap about accuracy ???? He knew what he was doing in his choosing of the weapons he used, and his choosing was as accurate as any one could have imagined.

Yes, the bump stock saved lives. After his initial burst of fire when everyone was packed in like sardines, his hit rate plummeted. Had he not been using the bump stock he would have hit far more people. Further the bump stock caused his weapon to jam at least twice that we know of, and the usage of the bump stock wears the shooter out very quickly, there was a long pause as he was resting, that is all thanks to the bump stock.

I am not claiming you're an idiot, but you don't know how bump stocks work, their reliability issues, and the loss of accuracy when guns are fired full auto.

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

And what does this have to do with what Paddock done with the asault rifle fitted with a bumpstock to make it an automatic weapon able to lay down fire in a rate that caused the deaths of 58, and mamed 500 in ten minutes ?? Don't give me this crap about protecting ourselves from who ever when y'all sat back and let this country get as bad as it is now.

His initial burst of fire is where most of the damage was done. After that his hit rate plummeted. I suggest you go someplace that rents machineguns and try and hit something with them. Even at short range you will have a tremendous amount of difficulty doing so.

. Why do you think different shot is loaded into shotgun shells, and why hunters choose certain shot to get their kill ?

 

[westwall]

The bump stock saved lives. His accuracy was diminished because of that stock. Paris has proven beyond doubt that you can't prevent anything from happening. Your laughable assertion that by banning the bump stock this would somehow have prevented this asshole from getting one is absurd. He planned this for months. I have talked at length with one of the lead FBI agents and he states that the asshole was researching the attack for at least half a year based on his google searches. Based on what law enforcement knows it would have been better to ban google than any of the other tools he used.

. Listen now, you ain't talking to an idiot here, so please don't give me this bullcrap about the bumpstock saving lives. When you have thousands of people cornered in a corral with no where to run, do you think that Paddock gave a crap about accuracy ???? He knew what he was doing in his choosing of the weapons he used, and his choosing was as accurate as any one could have imagined.

Yes, the bump stock saved lives. After his initial burst of fire when everyone was packed in like sardines, his hit rate plummeted. Had he not been using the bump stock he would have hit far more people. Further the bump stock caused his weapon to jam at least twice that we know of, and the usage of the bump stock wears the shooter out very quickly, there was a long pause as he was resting, that is all thanks to the bump stock.

I am not claiming you're an idiot, but you don't know how bump stocks work, their reliability issues, and the loss of accuracy when guns are fired full auto.

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

. LOL... Did you say it was only created to keep the enemies head down, and not to hit them or kill them while keeping their heads down ??? Good grief... Last I recall, machine guns killed, kept heads down, and the bullets hit anything and everything in it's path.

Have you ever bothered to look at how many bullets are expended to get a hit? Here's a bit of help for you....yes, people do get hit by machine gun fire. But it is rare.

GAO: U.S. Has Fired 250,000 Rounds For Every Insurgent Killed

US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

 

[westwall]

Yes, the bump stock saved lives. After his initial burst of fire when everyone was packed in like sardines, his hit rate plummeted. Had he not been using the bump stock he would have hit far more people. Further the bump stock caused his weapon to jam at least twice that we know of, and the usage of the bump stock wears the shooter out very quickly, there was a long pause as he was resting, that is all thanks to the bump stock.

I am not claiming you're an idiot, but you don't know how bump stocks work, their reliability issues, and the loss of accuracy when guns are fired full auto.

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

And what does this have to do with what Paddock done with the asault rifle fitted with a bumpstock to make it an automatic weapon able to lay down fire in a rate that caused the deaths of 58, and mamed 500 in ten minutes ?? Don't give me this crap about protecting ourselves from who ever when y'all sat back and let this country get as bad as it is now.

His initial burst of fire is where most of the damage was done. After that his hit rate plummeted. I suggest you go someplace that rents machineguns and try and hit something with them. Even at short range you will have a tremendous amount of difficulty doing so.

. Why do you think different shot is loaded into shotgun shells, and why hunters choose certain shot to get their kill ?

You use buck shot for deer because birdshot is too short range and won't penetrate deep enough to hit the vitals of a deer. I hate to break it to ya but I know more about firearms, ammunition, and internal and external ballistics than you ever will.

 

[Lewdog]

. Listen now, you ain't talking to an idiot here, so please don't give me this bullcrap about the bumpstock saving lives. When you have thousands of people cornered in a corral with no where to run, do you think that Paddock gave a crap about accuracy ???? He knew what he was doing in his choosing of the weapons he used, and his choosing was as accurate as any one could have imagined.

Yes, the bump stock saved lives. After his initial burst of fire when everyone was packed in like sardines, his hit rate plummeted. Had he not been using the bump stock he would have hit far more people. Further the bump stock caused his weapon to jam at least twice that we know of, and the usage of the bump stock wears the shooter out very quickly, there was a long pause as he was resting, that is all thanks to the bump stock.

I am not claiming you're an idiot, but you don't know how bump stocks work, their reliability issues, and the loss of accuracy when guns are fired full auto.

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

. LOL... Did you say it was only created to keep the enemies head down, and not to hit them or kill them while keeping their heads down ??? Good grief... Last I recall, machine guns killed, kept heads down, and the bullets hit anything and everything in it's path.

Have you ever bothered to look at how many bullets are expended to get a hit? Here's a bit of help for you....yes, people do get hit by machine gun fire. But it is rare.

GAO: U.S. Has Fired 250,000 Rounds For Every Insurgent Killed

US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

Yes, this is backed up the fact Stallone, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, and Arnold are still alive. Machine guns have REALLY bad accuracy.

 

[westwall]

Yes, the bump stock saved lives. After his initial burst of fire when everyone was packed in like sardines, his hit rate plummeted. Had he not been using the bump stock he would have hit far more people. Further the bump stock caused his weapon to jam at least twice that we know of, and the usage of the bump stock wears the shooter out very quickly, there was a long pause as he was resting, that is all thanks to the bump stock.

I am not claiming you're an idiot, but you don't know how bump stocks work, their reliability issues, and the loss of accuracy when guns are fired full auto.

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

. LOL... Did you say it was only created to keep the enemies head down, and not to hit them or kill them while keeping their heads down ??? Good grief... Last I recall, machine guns killed, kept heads down, and the bullets hit anything and everything in it's path.

Have you ever bothered to look at how many bullets are expended to get a hit? Here's a bit of help for you....yes, people do get hit by machine gun fire. But it is rare.

GAO: U.S. Has Fired 250,000 Rounds For Every Insurgent Killed

US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

Yes, this is backed up the fact Stallone, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, and Arnold are still alive. Machine guns have REALLY bad accuracy.

I suggest you read the GAO report silly boy.

 

[Lewdog]

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

. LOL... Did you say it was only created to keep the enemies head down, and not to hit them or kill them while keeping their heads down ??? Good grief... Last I recall, machine guns killed, kept heads down, and the bullets hit anything and everything in it's path.

Have you ever bothered to look at how many bullets are expended to get a hit? Here's a bit of help for you....yes, people do get hit by machine gun fire. But it is rare.

GAO: U.S. Has Fired 250,000 Rounds For Every Insurgent Killed

US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

Yes, this is backed up the fact Stallone, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, and Arnold are still alive. Machine guns have REALLY bad accuracy.

I suggest you read the GAO report silly boy.

Calm down hoss. I was only kidding, making fun of action hero movies.

 

[beagle9]

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

. LOL... Did you say it was only created to keep the enemies head down, and not to hit them or kill them while keeping their heads down ??? Good grief... Last I recall, machine guns killed, kept heads down, and the bullets hit anything and everything in it's path.

Have you ever bothered to look at how many bullets are expended to get a hit? Here's a bit of help for you....yes, people do get hit by machine gun fire. But it is rare.

GAO: U.S. Has Fired 250,000 Rounds For Every Insurgent Killed

US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

Yes, this is backed up the fact Stallone, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, and Arnold are still alive. Machine guns have REALLY bad accuracy.

I suggest you read the GAO report silly boy.

Calm down hoss. I was only kidding, making fun of action hero movies.

. Could it be that action heroe movies are the fantasy he lives by or goes by ? He actually stated that machine gun fire rarely hits anyone. Wow. Could that be true ?? Anyone ? I guess Omaha beach was a Hollywood movie when the Germans were mowing our troops down by the dozens using machine guns.

 

[westwall]

. LOL... Did you say it was only created to keep the enemies head down, and not to hit them or kill them while keeping their heads down ??? Good grief... Last I recall, machine guns killed, kept heads down, and the bullets hit anything and everything in it's path.

Have you ever bothered to look at how many bullets are expended to get a hit? Here's a bit of help for you....yes, people do get hit by machine gun fire. But it is rare.

GAO: U.S. Has Fired 250,000 Rounds For Every Insurgent Killed

US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

Yes, this is backed up the fact Stallone, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, and Arnold are still alive. Machine guns have REALLY bad accuracy.

I suggest you read the GAO report silly boy.

Calm down hoss. I was only kidding, making fun of action hero movies.

. Could it be that action heroe movies are the fantasy he lives by or goes by ? He actually stated that machine gun fire rarely hits anyone. Wow. Could that be true ?? Anyone ? I guess Omaha beach was a Hollywood movie when the Germans were mowing our troops down by the dozens using machine guns.

Yes, the GAO report shows that to be true. Are you truly that dense? Feel free to find any ammunition expenditure report you care to, and you will find that tens of thousands of rounds are expended for a single wound. This is not conjecture, this is well known, and this is from TRAINED SOLDIERS.

Like I said, you have no clue and it is you who are getting your info from hollyweird. No surprise there. The reason why this asshole hit so many is because they were packed into a confined space like sardines. It ain't rocket science.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"The bump stock saved lives. His accuracy was diminished because of that stock."

This ^^ is definitely the dumbest thought of the thread. All you nutjobs can go home now, because you're not going to top this one, no matter how hard you try.

 

[beagle9]

. A machine gun wasn't created for accuracy, but instead was created for the spraying of bullet's in a wide swath, and in a super fast action in order to hit and mame as many as possible. The gatlin gun is the same. Do you think it right to allow gatlin guns to be sold legally at gun shows to anyone who passes a sketchy background check ?? You know in respect to the people who were slaughtered on that day, I think outlawing the bumpstock would have been a righteous gesture in regards to what took place on that day, and how exactly it was enabled to do the most damage on that day. To ignore it is to kick the can down the road, and this is what has been the case in this event after knowing what is known about the case now.

Man you really don't know anything do you? Have you ever read a treatise on infantry combat? Clearly you have not. A machinegun is designed to lay down fire, to keep the enemies head down, so that your infantry can maneuver to the enemy's flank and attack from the side. How about you read some actual tactical manuals before you make a complete fool of yourself again.

And what does this have to do with what Paddock done with the asault rifle fitted with a bumpstock to make it an automatic weapon able to lay down fire in a rate that caused the deaths of 58, and mamed 500 in ten minutes ?? Don't give me this crap about protecting ourselves from who ever when y'all sat back and let this country get as bad as it is now.

His initial burst of fire is where most of the damage was done. After that his hit rate plummeted. I suggest you go someplace that rents machineguns and try and hit something with them. Even at short range you will have a tremendous amount of difficulty doing so.

. Why do you think different shot is loaded into shotgun shells, and why hunters choose certain shot to get their kill ?

You use buck shot for deer because birdshot is too short range and won't penetrate deep enough to hit the vitals of a deer. I hate to break it to ya but I know more about firearms, ammunition, and internal and external ballistics than you ever will.

. Good grief... What did I just say ? I said the shot is different, and the choices are made based upon those differences.

 

[beagle9]

Have you ever bothered to look at how many bullets are expended to get a hit? Here's a bit of help for you....yes, people do get hit by machine gun fire. But it is rare.

GAO: U.S. Has Fired 250,000 Rounds For Every Insurgent Killed

US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

Yes, this is backed up the fact Stallone, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, and Arnold are still alive. Machine guns have REALLY bad accuracy.

I suggest you read the GAO report silly boy.

Calm down hoss. I was only kidding, making fun of action hero movies.

. Could it be that action heroe movies are the fantasy he lives by or goes by ? He actually stated that machine gun fire rarely hits anyone. Wow. Could that be true ?? Anyone ? I guess Omaha beach was a Hollywood movie when the Germans were mowing our troops down by the dozens using machine guns.

Yes, the GAO report shows that to be true. Are you truly that dense? Feel free to find any ammunition expenditure report you care to, and you will find that tens of thousands of rounds are expended for a single wound. This is not conjecture, this is well known, and this is from TRAINED SOLDIERS.

Like I said, you have no clue and it is you who are getting your info from hollyweird. No surprise there. The reason why this asshole hit so many is because they were packed into a confined space like sardines. It ain't rocket science.

. No it ain't rocket science, and that is why Paddock chose the venue he chose, and the weapons that best suited his plan for that venue. Yes unfortunately for those poor souls he was successful for the most part.

 

[beagle9]

Look I'm usually a rational minded person, but westwall is trying his best to make the irrational sound rational, but at the end of the day I'm still the rational one because he is getting lost in the weeds bad.

 

[westwall]

"The bump stock saved lives. His accuracy was diminished because of that stock."

This ^^ is definitely the dumbest thought of the thread. All you nutjobs can go home now, because you're not going to top this one, no matter how hard you try.

Guess what the lead FBI agent agrees with me. It was him that told me that the asshat also had to stop due to fatigue. I did not know that. You silly people rely on movies and silly memes backed up by a total lack of knowledge about the subject at hand. The only silly people are you who ignore real evidence to support your emotion driven agenda.

 

[skye]

Something is rotten.... not only in the state of Denmark!

But in Las Vegas too.

Rotten to high heaven.

 

[beagle9]

"The bump stock saved lives. His accuracy was diminished because of that stock."

This ^^ is definitely the dumbest thought of the thread. All you nutjobs can go home now, because you're not going to top this one, no matter how hard you try.

Guess what the lead FBI agent agrees with me. It was him that told me that the asshat also had to stop due to fatigue. I did not know that. You silly people rely on movies and silly memes backed up by a total lack of knowledge about the subject at hand. The only silly people are you who ignore real evidence to support your emotion driven agenda.

. So what... So he had to stop due to fatigue, but that doesn't negate the damage he was doing until his old ace gave out. What if a younger stronger guy would have been the shooter ? The results could have been far greater damage. So in the hands of a killer was what ? Weapons that were efficient in killing 58 & wounding 500 in a matter of minutes is what. I mean it's getting downright ridiculous when the innocent in this country can't enjoy a concert, marathon, school day, night at the theater without crazy bastards with assault weapons mowing them down. How about let's stop the weirdo crazies then ?? What, the PC crowd won't let you ? So the dying will just continue ?? Pathetic.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"The bump stock saved lives. His accuracy was diminished because of that stock."

This ^^ is definitely the dumbest thought of the thread. All you nutjobs can go home now, because you're not going to top this one, no matter how hard you try.

Guess what the lead FBI agent agrees with me. It was him that told me that the asshat also had to stop due to fatigue. I did not know that. You silly people rely on movies and silly memes backed up by a total lack of knowledge about the subject at hand. The only silly people are you who ignore real evidence to support your emotion driven agenda.

"Stopped after fatigue".... after firing off how many rounds into a crowd? No, I doubt very much that any serious person ever said to you that the "bump stocks saved lives". I think that's your contribution. And it is moronic. But, strangely, you are not a moron. This happens because you choose to take untenable positions, and it forces you to say dumb things.