Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[beagle9]

. The only other option is to go through the criminal elements arsenal in society, and to strip that element of it's weapons, but good luck with that one in this dysfunctional screwed up country now. The left wants the good citizens to go first, but do they have their fingers crossed behind their back ? I think they do.

Jeez. let's look at other country's that have tried that. Hmm. Mexico for instance. It is illegal for anyone to have a military weapon of any sort. In fact they will shoot you on sight if you have one. Care to guess what the murder rate is in Mexico?

Are you really that incapable of thinking about a problem? We already have country's that have all the laws you want and guess what they don't fucking work. Try something different instead of the same tired old stupid responses that we already know don't work.

. What kind of government does those other countries have ???? I thought so......... So you are suspect of government, law enforcement, and our republic because the liberals are mixed into it so much now, (and their power is so strong now), that you and others who think like you feel that you must continue to have equalizers in case the crap hits the fan??? Now I can't blame you for feeling this way, becauseI I am the same, so what to do then ? Are we to just let the nation continue to be attacked over and over again, while we sit there clinging to our guns and Bible as Barack Obama once said ?? Was Obama talking like we are a bunch of fools trying to hold on in a world that him and his ilk was attempting to change into a world unrecognizable by most in the country ??

Yes. I am suspicious of any government that abuses the People as ours has done. You seem to forget that in the early 20th century there were three great socialist experiments that went on and ALL of them resorted to concentration camps. Germany famously murdered at least 3 million Jews with theirs, Stalin of course made hitler look like a piker by murdering at least 60 million of his own people, and roosevelt felt the need to deny the civil rights of tens of thousands of Japanese Americans and send then to camps in the desert where a few thousand of them died.

Let's add the Tuskeegee atrocities, and the intentional poisoning of the "Downwinders" and the biological attacks on San Francisco Bay and we already have a list of US government abuses that have led to the deaths and illness of more than ten thousand people.

We already have evidence of government abuse of power here.

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good about Germany if we (our government) were to go rogue here.

 

[2aguy]

Jeez. let's look at other country's that have tried that. Hmm. Mexico for instance. It is illegal for anyone to have a military weapon of any sort. In fact they will shoot you on sight if you have one. Care to guess what the murder rate is in Mexico?

Are you really that incapable of thinking about a problem? We already have country's that have all the laws you want and guess what they don't fucking work. Try something different instead of the same tired old stupid responses that we already know don't work.

. What kind of government does those other countries have ???? I thought so......... So you are suspect of government, law enforcement, and our republic because the liberals are mixed into it so much now, (and their power is so strong now), that you and others who think like you feel that you must continue to have equalizers in case the crap hits the fan??? Now I can't blame you for feeling this way, becauseI I am the same, so what to do then ? Are we to just let the nation continue to be attacked over and over again, while we sit there clinging to our guns and Bible as Barack Obama once said ?? Was Obama talking like we are a bunch of fools trying to hold on in a world that him and his ilk was attempting to change into a world unrecognizable by most in the country ??

Yes. I am suspicious of any government that abuses the People as ours has done. You seem to forget that in the early 20th century there were three great socialist experiments that went on and ALL of them resorted to concentration camps. Germany famously murdered at least 3 million Jews with theirs, Stalin of course made hitler look like a piker by murdering at least 60 million of his own people, and roosevelt felt the need to deny the civil rights of tens of thousands of Japanese Americans and send then to camps in the desert where a few thousand of them died.

Let's add the Tuskeegee atrocities, and the intentional poisoning of the "Downwinders" and the biological attacks on San Francisco Bay and we already have a list of US government abuses that have led to the deaths and illness of more than ten thousand people.

We already have evidence of government abuse of power here.

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good.

You can keep it from even being attempted if you keep the population armed. The big problem comes when the extremists are trying to take control....they beat up and murder anyone who gets in their way....which is made easier when their opposition is unarmed and helpless......it is harder to silence the political opposition with goons when the can be shot by normal people.

 

[beagle9]

. What kind of government does those other countries have ???? I thought so......... So you are suspect of government, law enforcement, and our republic because the liberals are mixed into it so much now, (and their power is so strong now), that you and others who think like you feel that you must continue to have equalizers in case the crap hits the fan??? Now I can't blame you for feeling this way, becauseI I am the same, so what to do then ? Are we to just let the nation continue to be attacked over and over again, while we sit there clinging to our guns and Bible as Barack Obama once said ?? Was Obama talking like we are a bunch of fools trying to hold on in a world that him and his ilk was attempting to change into a world unrecognizable by most in the country ??

Yes. I am suspicious of any government that abuses the People as ours has done. You seem to forget that in the early 20th century there were three great socialist experiments that went on and ALL of them resorted to concentration camps. Germany famously murdered at least 3 million Jews with theirs, Stalin of course made hitler look like a piker by murdering at least 60 million of his own people, and roosevelt felt the need to deny the civil rights of tens of thousands of Japanese Americans and send then to camps in the desert where a few thousand of them died.

Let's add the Tuskeegee atrocities, and the intentional poisoning of the "Downwinders" and the biological attacks on San Francisco Bay and we already have a list of US government abuses that have led to the deaths and illness of more than ten thousand people.

We already have evidence of government abuse of power here.

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good.

You can keep it from even being attempted if you keep the population armed. The big problem comes when the extremists are trying to take control....they beat up and murder anyone who gets in their way....which is made easier when their opposition is unarmed and helpless......it is harder to silence the political opposition with goons when the can be shot by normal people.

. So how do we keep Mandalay from happening again ???

 

[leftwinger]

Las Vegas is "hoping" this goes away. Early reports of using the Wife's employee ID to enter through non-public doors, elevators has gone silent of course. Amazing what a few $100 bills can get a bellhop to do? "Illegals"working Mandaly are being paid off......transferred as I type. Records scrubbed. Security videos were not shown since the 25th? Dont we have a right to know what to avoid?

Who is setting all the CA fires also? Not a peep...nothing.

 

[westwall]

Jeez. let's look at other country's that have tried that. Hmm. Mexico for instance. It is illegal for anyone to have a military weapon of any sort. In fact they will shoot you on sight if you have one. Care to guess what the murder rate is in Mexico?

Are you really that incapable of thinking about a problem? We already have country's that have all the laws you want and guess what they don't fucking work. Try something different instead of the same tired old stupid responses that we already know don't work.

. What kind of government does those other countries have ???? I thought so......... So you are suspect of government, law enforcement, and our republic because the liberals are mixed into it so much now, (and their power is so strong now), that you and others who think like you feel that you must continue to have equalizers in case the crap hits the fan??? Now I can't blame you for feeling this way, becauseI I am the same, so what to do then ? Are we to just let the nation continue to be attacked over and over again, while we sit there clinging to our guns and Bible as Barack Obama once said ?? Was Obama talking like we are a bunch of fools trying to hold on in a world that him and his ilk was attempting to change into a world unrecognizable by most in the country ??

Yes. I am suspicious of any government that abuses the People as ours has done. You seem to forget that in the early 20th century there were three great socialist experiments that went on and ALL of them resorted to concentration camps. Germany famously murdered at least 3 million Jews with theirs, Stalin of course made hitler look like a piker by murdering at least 60 million of his own people, and roosevelt felt the need to deny the civil rights of tens of thousands of Japanese Americans and send then to camps in the desert where a few thousand of them died.

Let's add the Tuskeegee atrocities, and the intentional poisoning of the "Downwinders" and the biological attacks on San Francisco Bay and we already have a list of US government abuses that have led to the deaths and illness of more than ten thousand people.

We already have evidence of government abuse of power here.

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good about Germany if we (our government) were to go rogue here.

Why don't you ask the taliban.

 

[westwall]

Yes. I am suspicious of any government that abuses the People as ours has done. You seem to forget that in the early 20th century there were three great socialist experiments that went on and ALL of them resorted to concentration camps. Germany famously murdered at least 3 million Jews with theirs, Stalin of course made hitler look like a piker by murdering at least 60 million of his own people, and roosevelt felt the need to deny the civil rights of tens of thousands of Japanese Americans and send then to camps in the desert where a few thousand of them died.

Let's add the Tuskeegee atrocities, and the intentional poisoning of the "Downwinders" and the biological attacks on San Francisco Bay and we already have a list of US government abuses that have led to the deaths and illness of more than ten thousand people.

We already have evidence of government abuse of power here.

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good.

You can keep it from even being attempted if you keep the population armed. The big problem comes when the extremists are trying to take control....they beat up and murder anyone who gets in their way....which is made easier when their opposition is unarmed and helpless......it is harder to silence the political opposition with goons when the can be shot by normal people.

. So how do we keep Mandalay from happening again ???

You can't prevent it. You can mitigate the results however. Smoke grenades in the hands of the guards to toss at the first second that an attack begins will limit the casualties. Sniper teams provided by either law enforcement or private executive security firms to engage an attack the moment it occurs would likewise limit casualties. When i was in Barcelona for the Olympics there were sniper teams all over the place.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Las Vegas is "hoping" this goes away. Early reports of using the Wife's employee ID to enter through non-public doors, elevators has gone silent of course. Amazing what a few $100 bills can get a bellhop to do? "Illegals"working Mandaly are being paid off......transferred as I type. Records scrubbed. Security videos were not shown since the 25th? Dont we have a right to know what to avoid? Who Iis setting all the CA fires also? Not a peep...nothing.

Because it's all in your head. They have medication for that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"The bump stock saved lives. His accuracy was diminished because of that stock."

This ^^ is definitely the dumbest thought of the thread. All you nutjobs can go home now, because you're not going to top this one, no matter how hard you try.

Guess what the lead FBI agent agrees with me. It was him that told me that the asshat also had to stop due to fatigue. I did not know that. You silly people rely on movies and silly memes backed up by a total lack of knowledge about the subject at hand. The only silly people are you who ignore real evidence to support your emotion driven agenda.

"Stopped after fatigue".... after firing off how many rounds into a crowd? No, I doubt very seriously any serious person ever said to you that the "bump stocks saved lives". I think that's your contribution. And it is moronic. But, strangely, you are not a moron. This happens because you choose to take untenable positions, and it forces you to say dumb things.

I have no idea. There was a break while he was recovering. Time that were he using just a straight old self loader, and AIMING, he could have killed many more. My position is not moronic. It is based on fact. It is based on the knowledge I have with machineguns (I actually own them and shoot them) and the decades of experience I have with firearms.

Ah, argument to authority. Okay. You shot machine guns before. Into crowds. Then rifles. Into crowds. And you noticed the semi-automatic rifles allowed you to kill more, upon comparison. Okay.

I'm only half-joking. Yes, i think it's moronic. No, I do not think he would have killed or wounded more people with a semi-auto rifle. I think that idea is absurd.

What a moronic response. No you doofus, I don't shoot into crowds. I shoot paper targets. However, you DON'T SHOOT ANYTHING at all. So you have no clue what you are babbling about.

Oh, you shoot paper targets? Well, then, we all bow to your authority! Shaman Westwall has spoken! Bump stocks save lives!!!!

 

[Skull Pilot]

There is no reason to ban semiautomatic rifles. None whatsoever.

less than 2% of all murders are committed by rifles of any kind.

Your argument, it’s a small minority so let’s do nothing, doesn’t hold water. There are many weapons the general public are banned from owning. Weapons that can fire off hundreds of rounds per minute serve no use beyond our military.

Of course it holds water.

You want to ban a weapon because it's used in mass murder which is only 1% of all murder. It doesn't matter to you that 99.995% of people who own semiautomatic rifles will never even bump fire one never mind turn it on a crowd.

This must lusted after ban of yours will do absolutely nothing to lower the murder rate.

. So you could give a crap less about 600 people being mowed down in 10 minutes by a lone gunman all due to him legally purchasing the tools in which modified the weapons in order to do such a thing ?? Gotta keep that dam bumpstock legal eh ? To hell with the damage it caused eh ?? If it we're up to you, then seatbelts would have never been created and/or would have never gotten the chance to prove that lives can be saved by just clicking it in, and this after they were installed. If it we're up to you, then helmets would have never been created for motorcycle riders, and they wouldn't be there to save lives as they do today. Many things were resisted until the results started rolling in, and creating the very stats in which you love to reference here.

His weapons were not modified.
And the point you can't seem to grasp is that only the person who committed the crime is responsible for the crime.

99.995% of people who won semiautomatic rifles will never kill anyone but you don't give a shit about their rights you would rather let the actions of a few be the reason to deny the many of a protected right.

It doesn't matter to you that he could have done the same or worse with pipe bombs, or a big ass truck and a snow plow

. Bottom line is you could care less about those people who lost their lives like that, just as long as you can keep your dam bumpstock, and no telling what else you think you need to battle the U.S. military one day. Good grief.

Hey Fucknut, I don't have a bump stock, never will have a bump stock. And I have no desire to battle the government. I happen to be a very responsible gun owner and have been since I was given my first BB gun at 8 years old.

It is beyond asinine to tell 99.995% of people who own firearms that they can't own semiautomatic rifles because some other asshole killed some people with one.

 

[westwall]

Guess what the lead FBI agent agrees with me. It was him that told me that the asshat also had to stop due to fatigue. I did not know that. You silly people rely on movies and silly memes backed up by a total lack of knowledge about the subject at hand. The only silly people are you who ignore real evidence to support your emotion driven agenda.

"Stopped after fatigue".... after firing off how many rounds into a crowd? No, I doubt very seriously any serious person ever said to you that the "bump stocks saved lives". I think that's your contribution. And it is moronic. But, strangely, you are not a moron. This happens because you choose to take untenable positions, and it forces you to say dumb things.

I have no idea. There was a break while he was recovering. Time that were he using just a straight old self loader, and AIMING, he could have killed many more. My position is not moronic. It is based on fact. It is based on the knowledge I have with machineguns (I actually own them and shoot them) and the decades of experience I have with firearms.

Ah, argument to authority. Okay. You shot machine guns before. Into crowds. Then rifles. Into crowds. And you noticed the semi-automatic rifles allowed you to kill more, upon comparison. Okay.

I'm only half-joking. Yes, i think it's moronic. No, I do not think he would have killed or wounded more people with a semi-auto rifle. I think that idea is absurd.

What a moronic response. No you doofus, I don't shoot into crowds. I shoot paper targets. However, you DON'T SHOOT ANYTHING at all. So you have no clue what you are babbling about.

Oh, you shoot paper targets? Well, then, we all bow to your authority! Shaman Westwall has spoken! Bump stocks save lives!!!!

Not my authority nimrod. My experience. Amazingly enough all of the best snipers in US history shot lots and lots and lots of paper targets before they ever shot another person. Leave it to a simpleton, like you, to not understand that before you can fight, you must train.

 

[Skull Pilot]

There is no reason to ban semiautomatic rifles. None whatsoever.

less than 2% of all murders are committed by rifles of any kind.

Your argument, it’s a small minority so let’s do nothing, doesn’t hold water. There are many weapons the general public are banned from owning. Weapons that can fire off hundreds of rounds per minute serve no use beyond our military.

Of course it holds water.

You want to ban a weapon because it's used in mass murder which is only 1% of all murder. It doesn't matter to you that 99.995% of people who own semiautomatic rifles will never even bump fire one never mind turn it on a crowd.

This must lusted after ban of yours will do absolutely nothing to lower the murder rate.

. So you could give a crap less about 600 people being mowed down in 10 minutes by a lone gunman all due to him legally purchasing the tools in which modified the weapons in order to do such a thing ?? Gotta keep that dam bumpstock legal eh ? To hell with the damage it caused eh ?? If it we're up to you, then seatbelts would have never been created and/or would have never gotten the chance to prove that lives can be saved by just clicking it in, and this after they were installed. If it we're up to you, then helmets would have never been created for motorcycle riders, and they wouldn't be there to save lives as they do today. Many things were resisted until the results started rolling in, and creating the very stats in which you love to reference here.

His weapons were not modified.
And the point you can't seem to grasp is that only the person who committed the crime is responsible for the crime.

99.995% of people who won semiautomatic rifles will never kill anyone but you don't give a shit about their rights you would rather let the actions of a few be the reason to deny the many of a protected right.

It doesn't matter to you that he could have done the same or worse with pipe bombs, or a big ass truck and a snow plow

. Hard to get those items up stairs to a perch over looking thousands in order to slaughter as much as he could, so your comparisons in order to try and spin this are moot points at best. Do you think that there are never any precautions to be taken in order to stop such a thing from happening again ??

You don't drive a big ass truck with a snowplow into a hotel room you fucking moron.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yes. I am suspicious of any government that abuses the People as ours has done. You seem to forget that in the early 20th century there were three great socialist experiments that went on and ALL of them resorted to concentration camps. Germany famously murdered at least 3 million Jews with theirs, Stalin of course made hitler look like a piker by murdering at least 60 million of his own people, and roosevelt felt the need to deny the civil rights of tens of thousands of Japanese Americans and send then to camps in the desert where a few thousand of them died.

Let's add the Tuskeegee atrocities, and the intentional poisoning of the "Downwinders" and the biological attacks on San Francisco Bay and we already have a list of US government abuses that have led to the deaths and illness of more than ten thousand people.

We already have evidence of government abuse of power here.

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good.

You can keep it from even being attempted if you keep the population armed. The big problem comes when the extremists are trying to take control....they beat up and murder anyone who gets in their way....which is made easier when their opposition is unarmed and helpless......it is harder to silence the political opposition with goons when the can be shot by normal people.

. So how do we keep Mandalay from happening again ???

We can't.

No law will ever stop some asshole hell bent on murder.

Ban semiautomatic rifles and he'll wear a bomb vest, or use a truck or one of many other ways to cause mass casualties.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"Stopped after fatigue".... after firing off how many rounds into a crowd? No, I doubt very seriously any serious person ever said to you that the "bump stocks saved lives". I think that's your contribution. And it is moronic. But, strangely, you are not a moron. This happens because you choose to take untenable positions, and it forces you to say dumb things.

I have no idea. There was a break while he was recovering. Time that were he using just a straight old self loader, and AIMING, he could have killed many more. My position is not moronic. It is based on fact. It is based on the knowledge I have with machineguns (I actually own them and shoot them) and the decades of experience I have with firearms.

Ah, argument to authority. Okay. You shot machine guns before. Into crowds. Then rifles. Into crowds. And you noticed the semi-automatic rifles allowed you to kill more, upon comparison. Okay.

I'm only half-joking. Yes, i think it's moronic. No, I do not think he would have killed or wounded more people with a semi-auto rifle. I think that idea is absurd.

What a moronic response. No you doofus, I don't shoot into crowds. I shoot paper targets. However, you DON'T SHOOT ANYTHING at all. So you have no clue what you are babbling about.

Oh, you shoot paper targets? Well, then, we all bow to your authority! Shaman Westwall has spoken! Bump stocks save lives!!!!

Not my authority nimrod. My experience. Amazingly enough all of the best snipers in US history shot lots and lots and lots of paper targets before they ever shot another person. Leave it to a simpleton, like you, to not understand that before you can fight, you must train.

Spot on! I had no idea practice improved a person's skills! Thank you, Westwall, for this valuable lesson.

But your idea was still stupid. Bump stocks save lives, eh? Fascinating... we should make them standard on ALL vehicles sold in the United States!

*cuckoo*
.
.
.
.
*cuckoo*

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good.

You can keep it from even being attempted if you keep the population armed. The big problem comes when the extremists are trying to take control....they beat up and murder anyone who gets in their way....which is made easier when their opposition is unarmed and helpless......it is harder to silence the political opposition with goons when the can be shot by normal people.

. So how do we keep Mandalay from happening again ???

We can't.

No law will ever stop some asshole hell bent on murder.

Ban semiautomatic rifles and he'll wear a bomb vest, or use a truck or one of many other ways to cause mass casualties.

Stupid argument. Of course laws reduce the occurrence of the prohibited activity. You know you have gone down the rabbit hole, when you're making this idiotic argument.

 

[westwall]

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good.

You can keep it from even being attempted if you keep the population armed. The big problem comes when the extremists are trying to take control....they beat up and murder anyone who gets in their way....which is made easier when their opposition is unarmed and helpless......it is harder to silence the political opposition with goons when the can be shot by normal people.

. So how do we keep Mandalay from happening again ???

We can't.

No law will ever stop some asshole hell bent on murder.

Ban semiautomatic rifles and he'll wear a bomb vest, or use a truck or one of many other ways to cause mass casualties.

Stupid argument. Of course laws reduce the occurrence of the prohibited activity. You know you have gone down the rabbit hole, when you're making this idiotic argument.

"Of course" Then please provide evidence to support your claim.

 

[beagle9]

. What kind of government does those other countries have ???? I thought so......... So you are suspect of government, law enforcement, and our republic because the liberals are mixed into it so much now, (and their power is so strong now), that you and others who think like you feel that you must continue to have equalizers in case the crap hits the fan??? Now I can't blame you for feeling this way, becauseI I am the same, so what to do then ? Are we to just let the nation continue to be attacked over and over again, while we sit there clinging to our guns and Bible as Barack Obama once said ?? Was Obama talking like we are a bunch of fools trying to hold on in a world that him and his ilk was attempting to change into a world unrecognizable by most in the country ??

Yes. I am suspicious of any government that abuses the People as ours has done. You seem to forget that in the early 20th century there were three great socialist experiments that went on and ALL of them resorted to concentration camps. Germany famously murdered at least 3 million Jews with theirs, Stalin of course made hitler look like a piker by murdering at least 60 million of his own people, and roosevelt felt the need to deny the civil rights of tens of thousands of Japanese Americans and send then to camps in the desert where a few thousand of them died.

Let's add the Tuskeegee atrocities, and the intentional poisoning of the "Downwinders" and the biological attacks on San Francisco Bay and we already have a list of US government abuses that have led to the deaths and illness of more than ten thousand people.

We already have evidence of government abuse of power here.

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good about Germany if we (our government) were to go rogue here.

Why don't you ask the taliban.

. Huh ??

 

[beagle9]

. So no matter the Changing of the gaurd, the U.S. Government is never to be trusted right ???

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good.

You can keep it from even being attempted if you keep the population armed. The big problem comes when the extremists are trying to take control....they beat up and murder anyone who gets in their way....which is made easier when their opposition is unarmed and helpless......it is harder to silence the political opposition with goons when the can be shot by normal people.

. So how do we keep Mandalay from happening again ???

You can't prevent it. You can mitigate the results however. Smoke grenades in the hands of the guards to toss at the first second that an attack begins will limit the casualties. Sniper teams provided by either law enforcement or private executive security firms to engage an attack the moment it occurs would likewise limit casualties. When i was in Barcelona for the Olympics there were sniper teams all over the place.

. Agree with snipers roaming the crowds from here on out. Never again should people gather together like fish in a barrel if y'all don't want to be preventive instead of reactive.

 

[beagle9]

Your argument, it’s a small minority so let’s do nothing, doesn’t hold water. There are many weapons the general public are banned from owning. Weapons that can fire off hundreds of rounds per minute serve no use beyond our military.

Of course it holds water.

You want to ban a weapon because it's used in mass murder which is only 1% of all murder. It doesn't matter to you that 99.995% of people who own semiautomatic rifles will never even bump fire one never mind turn it on a crowd.

This must lusted after ban of yours will do absolutely nothing to lower the murder rate.

. So you could give a crap less about 600 people being mowed down in 10 minutes by a lone gunman all due to him legally purchasing the tools in which modified the weapons in order to do such a thing ?? Gotta keep that dam bumpstock legal eh ? To hell with the damage it caused eh ?? If it we're up to you, then seatbelts would have never been created and/or would have never gotten the chance to prove that lives can be saved by just clicking it in, and this after they were installed. If it we're up to you, then helmets would have never been created for motorcycle riders, and they wouldn't be there to save lives as they do today. Many things were resisted until the results started rolling in, and creating the very stats in which you love to reference here.

His weapons were not modified.
And the point you can't seem to grasp is that only the person who committed the crime is responsible for the crime.

99.995% of people who won semiautomatic rifles will never kill anyone but you don't give a shit about their rights you would rather let the actions of a few be the reason to deny the many of a protected right.

It doesn't matter to you that he could have done the same or worse with pipe bombs, or a big ass truck and a snow plow

. Bottom line is you could care less about those people who lost their lives like that, just as long as you can keep your dam bumpstock, and no telling what else you think you need to battle the U.S. military one day. Good grief.

Hey Fucknut, I don't have a bump stock, never will have a bump stock. And I have no desire to battle the government. I happen to be a very responsible gun owner and have been since I was given my first BB gun at 8 years old.

It is beyond asinine to tell 99.995% of people who own firearms that they can't own semiautomatic rifles because some other asshole killed some people with one.

. Who said anything about rifles idiot. Bumpstocks aren't rifles. Good grief.

 

[beagle9]

Your argument, it’s a small minority so let’s do nothing, doesn’t hold water. There are many weapons the general public are banned from owning. Weapons that can fire off hundreds of rounds per minute serve no use beyond our military.

Of course it holds water.

You want to ban a weapon because it's used in mass murder which is only 1% of all murder. It doesn't matter to you that 99.995% of people who own semiautomatic rifles will never even bump fire one never mind turn it on a crowd.

This must lusted after ban of yours will do absolutely nothing to lower the murder rate.

. So you could give a crap less about 600 people being mowed down in 10 minutes by a lone gunman all due to him legally purchasing the tools in which modified the weapons in order to do such a thing ?? Gotta keep that dam bumpstock legal eh ? To hell with the damage it caused eh ?? If it we're up to you, then seatbelts would have never been created and/or would have never gotten the chance to prove that lives can be saved by just clicking it in, and this after they were installed. If it we're up to you, then helmets would have never been created for motorcycle riders, and they wouldn't be there to save lives as they do today. Many things were resisted until the results started rolling in, and creating the very stats in which you love to reference here.

His weapons were not modified.
And the point you can't seem to grasp is that only the person who committed the crime is responsible for the crime.

99.995% of people who won semiautomatic rifles will never kill anyone but you don't give a shit about their rights you would rather let the actions of a few be the reason to deny the many of a protected right.

It doesn't matter to you that he could have done the same or worse with pipe bombs, or a big ass truck and a snow plow

. Hard to get those items up stairs to a perch over looking thousands in order to slaughter as much as he could, so your comparisons in order to try and spin this are moot points at best. Do you think that there are never any precautions to be taken in order to stop such a thing from happening again ??

You don't drive a big ass truck with a snowplow into a hotel room you fucking moron.

. No crap Sherlock, so why bring it up in the way that you did ? We are talking about a weapon that was turned into an automatic weapon in order to mow down as many as one could in the situation. You don't want to address that for fear of a slippery slope, but I ask this are your fears justified ?

 

[Skull Pilot]

The German people trusted their government in the 1920s...and happily surrendered their guns and registered the left overs......10 years later the nazis used the records to confiscate the rest.......so no....changing the guard does not increase the trust of any government....things can go from normal to death camps in about 20 years....

Can we effectively battle the U.S. military and win ?? Germany fell with outside help, but your point is good.

You can keep it from even being attempted if you keep the population armed. The big problem comes when the extremists are trying to take control....they beat up and murder anyone who gets in their way....which is made easier when their opposition is unarmed and helpless......it is harder to silence the political opposition with goons when the can be shot by normal people.

. So how do we keep Mandalay from happening again ???

We can't.

No law will ever stop some asshole hell bent on murder.

Ban semiautomatic rifles and he'll wear a bomb vest, or use a truck or one of many other ways to cause mass casualties.

Stupid argument. Of course laws reduce the occurrence of the prohibited activity. You know you have gone down the rabbit hole, when you're making this idiotic argument.

The prohibited activity

You mean like the laws against murder?

FYI banning semiautomatic rifles won;t to shit to lower the murder rate